Explosive Strength Training for MMA

Hi guys,

I’m an amateur mixed martial artist and had a few questions about explosive strength.

  1. Right now I’m just doing Olympic lifts, medicine ball tosses, and plyometrics for explosiveness. General opinion seems to be that these are the best kinds of training for explosiveness but I wanted to confirm this?

  2. How do I train specific muscles, like say the biceps, for explosiveness? I feel that plyometrics only allows for general pushing and jumping motions (i.e. clapping pushups and box jumps). Olympic lifts are the epitome of full-body training. And medicine ball is also only useful for general pushing motions. Is it even possible to train explosive strength for specific muscles or does it have to be as compound exercises?

Hi Wolf.

First of all, MMA + Oly lifts is very taxing.
Do you feel any carryover to your explosivness already? If not, you’re either doing them wrong or they offer little for you (I assume you do ok weights for some months now).
Which isn’t uncommon since “exploding” cannot be learnt through doing an amount of sets with a barbell.

Which brings me to point B:
You have to have an idea what explosiveness would do to your game. Fixing issues there or doing appropriate drills will give you more of an athletic edge then a barbell will.

Implementing complex lifts for MMA fighters is more of a recent fad to make fighters believe they need all sorts of extra trainers. And it’s a form of extreme crosstrainng that is not for everybody.
Many pros, especially olympians like wrestlers who crosstrain very hard are extremely talented, on PEDs and are sacificing their bodies mainly for reasons of propaganda.

So don’t expect too much out of the snatch et al, although it can be potentially a decent tool.

  1. don’t try to “explosivefize” the biceps.
    You try to either turn up the CNS and make it faster. Which has to be complemented with appr. training.
    Id est you cannot expect from a slow slugger to magically get faster from doing snatches when he “works” with a slow rythm.

Or you recruit and improve the fast twitch fibres better that can ideally result in …
a) more speed through a large, unspecific section (eg clean&press: upper body, squat: legs etc). This works relatively well when non weightlifters lift for the first time. The downside is that you might muscle up into a new weight class.
(b) a more powerful specific pattern. Which is highly debatable and depends onmayn things. The ‘Bench Press’ might increase haymaker strength, for instance.

Hi Schwarzfahrer,

Thanks for the feedback. I’m actually pretty new to Olympic lifts. I didn’t start doing them until about a month ago when I could recruit a friend on my university’s football team to help me ensure proper technique. I’m still working with only a 35lb plate on each side at the moment (to work with a safe weight while I’m still familiarizing with the technique, I feel the room to do a lot more weight). I only do clean and jerk. Snatches look like they’d put a lot of stress on the shoulders.

As for if I’m experiencing gains, I’m definitely feeling better rhythm, ability to translate power from my legs, and coordination. Not sure if I necesarilly feel more explosive though.

So just to clarify, are you saying that the best way to train explosiveness would be in functional motions like punches, takedowns, etc. because weightroom explosiveness might not transfer to a functional setting?

First off, research shows that the best way to improve speed strength is to improve your max strength. Get strong in the gym and then get fast in your specific sport. That being said, I think the clean has a lot of carryover to fighting and should be done by every aspiring fighter.

A couple of points to start off. Explosiveness usually means you are able to activate your nervous system and muscles to perform optimally in specific circumstances. Usually this means that your are able to contract more of your muscle fibers in a short period of time. If those fibers are large, you produce a lot of power. You would call that being explosive. I’m pretty strong and pretty explosive when it comes to punching and kicking but I can’t whack a golf ball very far, because I don’t know how to perform the movement properly.

Back to clean. I feel that it is pretty much the best way to work your whole posterior chain. The posterior chain is your safest bet to work if you want to be able to hurt people. In any case, I don’t think that any specific exercise is magical when it comes to beating people in the ring. Some fighters become pretty darn good without the clean, few become strong even without the whole gym.

Bottom line: I think the o-lifts will help you become stronger and more explosive. When working with weights, worry about becoming stronger. You’ll get faster and more explosive in your sport when you work your sport.

[quote]Heroic Wolf wrote:

So just to clarify, are you saying that the best way to train explosiveness would be in functional motions like punches, takedowns, etc. because weightroom explosiveness might not transfer to a functional setting?[/quote]

That’s not entirely true. No they won’t transfer to exactly how you bridge from the bottom, pass, mount, or whatever. BUT, and it’s a big BUT. They make your current skill coordination much more powerful.

There is no such thing as truly “sports specific” weightlifting, except doing your actual training. That, however, doesn’t mean that developing whole body explosive power is useless or overrated. The ability to switch from expression to absorption of force rapidly, or vice versa, is of primary importance in almost all sports, and particularly in one requiring the ability to redirect an opponent’s force or bodyweight.

Let’s put it this way: you have a movement vocabulary, just like you have a vocabulary when learning a language. The bigger your language vocabulary, the faster you learn new words and meanings, and the greater your reasoning skills become. The more able your mind is. It works in an analogous way with weightlifting (but only really where complex motor skills or explosive movements are performed, not isolation work. So that would include tumbling, gymnastics, agility work, squats, plyos, oly lifts, etc etc etc, but not bicep curls or pushdowns etc.)

The more movements you are proficient and effective at, the faster you adapt new skills, new movements, and the more effectively you can focus your existing muscular power to whatever new/awkward movement you require mastery of. The easiest and most accessible example of this is elite gymnasts: they do almost no true weight training, but tons and tons of complex and explosive plyometric training (skills in their given sport). As a result of their sport requiring MASSIVE amounts of force absorption capabilities and very tight coordination, they can direct this vast movement vocabulary to weightlifting and other sports very easily. Very similar to how teaching a professional dancer to assume a specific position or move a specific muscle is so easy—they have done it for so long, and are so in touch with their body position and tensions, all you have to do is tell or show them once, maybe twice. Interestingly enough, it works in reverse as well for the general population and sportsmen (from the gym to the field/mat/cage).

Weightlifting is definitely valuable, done properly.

By the way, do you guys have days set aside where you only do explosiveness exercises? Or do you mix your explosive exercises in with the rest of your workouts? Right now I’m doing the latter. I’ve got muscle-ups, clapping pushups, etc. mixed in with regular upper body exercises (tubing stuff for the rotator cuff, seated rows, bicep curls, etc.), core work, and regular leg exercises (squats, calf raises). Would it be better if I grouped all my explosiveness exercises into one workout?

focus your time in the weight room on getting STRONGER, not more enduring, more explosive, better looking.

lift heavy and low volume

let your MMA training build your speed out of the strength you build in the gym. i probably have the fastest hands of everyone in my gym…just so happens i bench the most too… go figure. Get strong lifting, get explosive putting that strength to work in martial arts…

[quote]EllisUFC wrote:
focus your time in the weight room on getting STRONGER, not more enduring, more explosive, better looking.

lift heavy and low volume

let your MMA training build your speed out of the strength you build in the gym. i probably have the fastest hands of everyone in my gym…just so happens i bench the most too… go figure. Get strong lifting, get explosive putting that strength to work in martial arts… [/quote]

While I agree with what you’ve said, I disagree that the bench press has anything remotely to do with developing hand speed.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]EllisUFC wrote:
focus your time in the weight room on getting STRONGER, not more enduring, more explosive, better looking.

lift heavy and low volume

let your MMA training build your speed out of the strength you build in the gym. i probably have the fastest hands of everyone in my gym…just so happens i bench the most too… go figure. Get strong lifting, get explosive putting that strength to work in martial arts… [/quote]

While I agree with what you’ve said, I disagree that the bench press has anything remotely to do with developing hand speed.[/quote]

not reaally implying bench made my hands fast. good neural adaptation for horizontal push motions, maybe

Hmm… I don’t think anyone really suggested you even do the “explosive exercises” because as such they do not really develop explosiveness in general. Clapping push ups teach you to do clapping push ups. Being strong allows you to be fast and explosive in your sport.

EllisUFS already said it. Get strong in the gym with compound exercises - follow some template (like Wendler’s 5/3/1 or westside) if you feel like you need instructions. Then work on your martial art to utilize that strength.

[quote]archieandfriends wrote:
Hmm… I don’t think anyone really suggested you even do the “explosive exercises” because as such they do not really develop explosiveness in general. Clapping push ups teach you to do clapping push ups. Being strong allows you to be fast and explosive in your sport.

EllisUFS already said it. Get strong in the gym with compound exercises - follow some template (like Wendler’s 5/3/1 or westside) if you feel like you need instructions. Then work on your martial art to utilize that strength. [/quote]

Really? Where is this information coming from? Explosive exercises, like plyometrics, don’t make you explosive?

Are you guys just making things up lately or are there new studies that I’m just not aware of?

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]archieandfriends wrote:
Hmm… I don’t think anyone really suggested you even do the “explosive exercises” because as such they do not really develop explosiveness in general. Clapping push ups teach you to do clapping push ups. Being strong allows you to be fast and explosive in your sport.

EllisUFS already said it. Get strong in the gym with compound exercises - follow some template (like Wendler’s 5/3/1 or westside) if you feel like you need instructions. Then work on your martial art to utilize that strength. [/quote]

Really? Where is this information coming from? Explosive exercises, like plyometrics, don’t make you explosive?

Are you guys just making things up lately or are there new studies that I’m just not aware of?
[/quote]

no explosive lifts, like the O lifts still help develop explosive power, and plyo work is great for fighters, but fighting is like plyo metrics, low resistance high acceleration. So i would just say minimize that stuff, stick to the big strength movements and some explosive movements( cleans, DB snatch, medicine ball toss) as accessories.

Why worry about building “explosiveness” in specific muscles in the first place? ESPECIALLY when you don’t use just ONE specific muscle for any action in combat sports/mma.

FWIW I only do ‘speed’ or ‘explosive’ work in the week or two running up to a fight. The rest of the time I’m focousing on getting in my roadwork, sparring, heavy ass compound lifts, interval work and training with the club.

I just work a simple squat/press/pull split with low reps and a fair few sets on days I’m not with the club.

Stuff like jumps, throws and the like are saved for just before a fight and even then it’s probably just a psychological benefit I get from them.

I focoused oly lifts for a while but all that happened was I got good at oly lifts (well, better, good is a strong word!)

@Big_Boss: I was just curious if it was even possible to do explosive training for individual muscles (as an academic question). I wasn’t planning on doing it even if such a thing was possible.

Great responses overall. For those of you guys who recommend heavy lifting, I’ve actually found heavy lifting to be detrimental to my speed/explosiveness in the past. I think there might be a few reasons:

  1. On the last few reps of a set with heavy weight, my arms/legs are moving the weight slowly (and possibly shaking by the last rep).
  2. Lowering the weight requires control and kind of takes the nervous system out of the previously “all-out” approach

Does that make sense?

[quote]Heroic Wolf wrote:
@Big_Boss: I was just curious if it was even possible to do explosive training for individual muscles (as an academic question). I wasn’t planning on doing it even if such a thing was possible.

Great responses overall. For those of you guys who recommend heavy lifting, I’ve actually found heavy lifting to be detrimental to my speed/explosiveness in the past. I think there might be a few reasons:

  1. On the last few reps of a set with heavy weight, my arms/legs are moving the weight slowly (and possibly shaking by the last rep).
  2. Lowering the weight requires control and kind of takes the nervous system out of the previously “all-out” approach

Does that make sense?[/quote]

last few reps get shaky? do less reps, its hard to get shaky on the last “few” reps if you are only doing 5x3, don’t like lowering the weight under control? Then let that shit drop fast OR do some movements minus their eccentric portions, bottom-up squats, Bench press from pins, and deadlifts.

just because you are moving slowly with big weight doesn’t mean you aren’t training the portion of the muscle responsible for faster actions like a punch.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Really? Where is this information coming from? Explosive exercises, like plyometrics, don’t make you explosive?

Are you guys just making things up lately or are there new studies that I’m just not aware of?
[/quote]
Given that I tried to write a short answer, it is possible to misunderstand my point. Jumping is a good example of a sport specific skill, that requires (in general) a good foundation of strength. A guy who can back squat two times his bodyweight is likely to jump higher than a guy who can’t. But even a guy that can squat three times his bodyweight needs to learn how to jump efficiently in order to get hang time.

Heroic Wolf: your experience could be attributed to fatigue. If you get stronger, you get faster. Balancing performance and development is a bit tricky. That’s why I’m a big advocate of periodization. Focus on building strength for a number of weeks, then another set of weeks to transfer your newfound strength to your sport. Just to make sure I’m not misunderstood - as a fighter you need base endurance and skill, so you can’t skip your rounds because you’re focusing on something else.

[quote]Heroic Wolf wrote:
@Big_Boss: I was just curious if it was even possible to do explosive training for individual muscles (as an academic question). I wasn’t planning on doing it even if such a thing was possible.

Great responses overall. For those of you guys who recommend heavy lifting, I’ve actually found heavy lifting to be detrimental to my speed/explosiveness in the past. I think there might be a few reasons:

  1. On the last few reps of a set with heavy weight, my arms/legs are moving the weight slowly (and possibly shaking by the last rep).
  2. Lowering the weight requires control and kind of takes the nervous system out of the previously “all-out” approach

Does that make sense?[/quote]

Makes a lot of sense if lifting weights was all you did. Not if you we’re still doing your drills, this applies to all sports. The primary detriment would be for 3-4 days after where your muscles are recovering and causes your training to be slower. Otherwise the drills you do should supplement enough for explosiveness.

Is explosive training possible??? Yes of course, what do you think a punch is? or a Vertical Jump? If you can get it to be individual, then you can explosively train it individually.

I would be doing a lot of kettlebell excercises and for the most part, they are more designed for functional strengh and explosivness, wont get you big though. Some weight training is necessary ie squats and clean and press is good too, but no need to over do that sort of stuff, functional and lifting strenght are pretty different.

Hi LYFT-R, thanks for the feedback. Correct me if I’m misunderstanding you, but it seems that you’re associating conventional weight training with lifting strength and kettlebells with functional strength? What exactly is so different about kettlebells? I mean, you’re explosively lifting a weight in both cases. A common viewpoint with my friends who buy into Crossfit is that anything resembling lifting a football player would do is “bad” and that anything to do with kettlebells,sledgehammers,tire-flipping is necesarilly “functional”. I just don’t really see the science/reasoning behind that?