Explosive Strength Training for MMA

[quote]Heroic Wolf wrote:
Hi LYFT-R, thanks for the feedback. Correct me if I’m misunderstanding you, but it seems that you’re associating conventional weight training with lifting strength and kettlebells with functional strength? What exactly is so different about kettlebells? I mean, you’re explosively lifting a weight in both cases. A common viewpoint with my friends who buy into Crossfit is that anything resembling lifting a football player would do is “bad” and that anything to do with kettlebells,sledgehammers,tire-flipping is necesarilly “functional”. I just don’t really see the science/reasoning behind that?[/quote]

That’s because there is no reason or science behind it. It’s just dogma.

A weight is a weight, no matter whether it’s got a handle welded to it, or it gets stacked on a bar, or it’s shaped like a golden fuckin calf.

It’s what you do with that weight that matters.

Didn’t read every post, so I’m sure I’ll be repeating what’s already been said.

I would keep it very simple. First determine how serious you are about your sport. If you that’s your number 1 priority then obvious put that practice above all else and continue to perfect your technique and fighting skills.

In the weight room I’d go with a big compound lift like the TB deadlift. Big, strong, easy movement pattern to learn and takes care of total-body strength. For explosiveness, I’d include daily jumps like CT prescribes (7-14/day). For upper body work I would keep it to bodyweight stuff (pushup variations) and ring work. You could probably throw in a barbell exercise if you really want to, such as the push press, but that would probably be too much, depending on how often you are training mma.

Chad Waterbury and Martin Rooney have great info when it comes to training combat athletes.

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Heroic Wolf wrote:

So just to clarify, are you saying that the best way to train explosiveness would be in functional motions like punches, takedowns, etc. because weightroom explosiveness might not transfer to a functional setting?[/quote]

That’s not entirely true. No they won’t transfer to exactly how you bridge from the bottom, pass, mount, or whatever. BUT, and it’s a big BUT. They make your current skill coordination much more powerful.

There is no such thing as truly “sports specific” weightlifting, except doing your actual training. That, however, doesn’t mean that developing whole body explosive power is useless or overrated. The ability to switch from expression to absorption of force rapidly, or vice versa, is of primary importance in almost all sports, and particularly in one requiring the ability to redirect an opponent’s force or bodyweight.

Let’s put it this way: you have a movement vocabulary, just like you have a vocabulary when learning a language. The bigger your language vocabulary, the faster you learn new words and meanings, and the greater your reasoning skills become. The more able your mind is. It works in an analogous way with weightlifting (but only really where complex motor skills or explosive movements are performed, not isolation work. So that would include tumbling, gymnastics, agility work, squats, plyos, oly lifts, etc etc etc, but not bicep curls or pushdowns etc.)

The more movements you are proficient and effective at, the faster you adapt new skills, new movements, and the more effectively you can focus your existing muscular power to whatever new/awkward movement you require mastery of. The easiest and most accessible example of this is elite gymnasts: they do almost no true weight training, but tons and tons of complex and explosive plyometric training (skills in their given sport). As a result of their sport requiring MASSIVE amounts of force absorption capabilities and very tight coordination, they can direct this vast movement vocabulary to weightlifting and other sports very easily. Very similar to how teaching a professional dancer to assume a specific position or move a specific muscle is so easy—they have done it for so long, and are so in touch with their body position and tensions, all you have to do is tell or show them once, maybe twice. Interestingly enough, it works in reverse as well for the general population and sportsmen (from the gym to the field/mat/cage).

Weightlifting is definitely valuable, done properly.[/quote]

VERY nicely put…I really like the term “movement vocabulary”. I’ve talked about the same concept, when explaining why some athletes have a faster learning curve than others. I would refer to it has having developed greater kinesthetic intelligence.

how come noody here knows what the fuck they are talking about

except that one guy^

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

That’s not entirely true. No they won’t transfer to exactly how you bridge from the bottom, pass, mount, or whatever. BUT, and it’s a big BUT. They make your current skill coordination much more powerful.

There is no such thing as truly “sports specific” weightlifting, except doing your actual training. That, however, doesn’t mean that developing whole body explosive power is useless or overrated. The ability to switch from expression to absorption of force rapidly, or vice versa, is of primary importance in almost all sports, and particularly in one requiring the ability to redirect an opponent’s force or bodyweight.

Let’s put it this way: you have a movement vocabulary, just like you have a vocabulary when learning a language. The bigger your language vocabulary, the faster you learn new words and meanings, and the greater your reasoning skills become. The more able your mind is. It works in an analogous way with weightlifting (but only really where complex motor skills or explosive movements are performed, not isolation work. So that would include tumbling, gymnastics, agility work, squats, plyos, oly lifts, etc etc etc, but not bicep curls or pushdowns etc.)

The more movements you are proficient and effective at, the faster you adapt new skills, new movements, and the more effectively you can focus your existing muscular power to whatever new/awkward movement you require mastery of. The easiest and most accessible example of this is elite gymnasts: they do almost no true weight training, but tons and tons of complex and explosive plyometric training (skills in their given sport). As a result of their sport requiring MASSIVE amounts of force absorption capabilities and very tight coordination, they can direct this vast movement vocabulary to weightlifting and other sports very easily. Very similar to how teaching a professional dancer to assume a specific position or move a specific muscle is so easy—they have done it for so long, and are so in touch with their body position and tensions, all you have to do is tell or show them once, maybe twice. Interestingly enough, it works in reverse as well for the general population and sportsmen (from the gym to the field/mat/cage).

Weightlifting is definitely valuable, done properly.[/quote]
Quoted for truth.
Excellent post.

the easiest way to become more powerful (explosive is really just synonymous for this, often used in a movement- applicable manner, however) is to become stronger. There are two aspects in the equation of power; max strength and speed. Of course balance and flexibility and what not come into the actual fighting movements themselves but this is somewhat irrelevant to my point.
Power= strength and speed!!! Getting stronger, then training for speed and power is the most effective approach. In saying that grinding out low reps of weights that are too heavy for you isn’t the best way to improve strength. Try to push every rep as fast as you can, no matter how heavy it is for you!

[quote]archieandfriends wrote:
First off, research shows that the best way to improve speed strength is to improve your max strength. Get strong in the gym and then get fast in your specific sport. That being said, I think the clean has a lot of carryover to fighting and should be done by every aspiring fighter.

A couple of points to start off. Explosiveness usually means you are able to activate your nervous system and muscles to perform optimally in specific circumstances. Usually this means that your are able to contract more of your muscle fibers in a short period of time. If those fibers are large, you produce a lot of power. You would call that being explosive. I’m pretty strong and pretty explosive when it comes to punching and kicking but I can’t whack a golf ball very far, because I don’t know how to perform the movement properly.

Back to clean. I feel that it is pretty much the best way to work your whole posterior chain. The posterior chain is your safest bet to work if you want to be able to hurt people. In any case, I don’t think that any specific exercise is magical when it comes to beating people in the ring. Some fighters become pretty darn good without the clean, few become strong even without the whole gym.

Bottom line: I think the o-lifts will help you become stronger and more explosive. When working with weights, worry about becoming stronger. You’ll get faster and more explosive in your sport when you work your sport. [/quote]

Yeah definitely agree with this, having said that the most effective way to increase power is to make power the main focus of any movement. ie weight over time; yes yow want to have heavy weight, any maybe your not doing a ton of reps, but MAKE SURE that you are making the movement quick and well formed. For example 6 sets of 6 reps on bench is good, but choose a weight that you can push up very quickly and still feel tired with after only six reps, and BAM, you’ve just upgraded your cross.