CT, my only concern whith high pulls is: How do you know when you miss a rep? At least thats easy to tell when cleaning or snatching
[quote]Leo Solis wrote:
CT, my only concern whith high pulls is: How do you know when you miss a rep? At least thats easy to tell when cleaning or snatching [/quote]
Id that REALLY a concern? Honestly when you do them right it is very easy to know if a rep was good or not. A “missed” rep feels drastically different… it feels like you have to muscle-up to bar instead of using your explosiveness to create upward momentum.
Why a snatch grip is better in muscle mass terms may I ask…?
[quote]Matias A. wrote:
Why a snatch grip is better in muscle mass terms may I ask…?[/quote]
It involves more overall muscle to their full extent (rhomboids, rear delts and medial delts mostly) and allows you to have a longer range of motion without stress the AC joint.
@CT:
Okay so my hypothesis is this on SGHPulls…as per your video in the training section and this new He-Man Pull you’ve done: The lighter the weight the more “float” and zero knee bend the body has. As the weight gets closer to the RM, after the explosive full extension the legs want to slightly bend as the pull initiates. This is natural and is allowed in form as the weight hits the persons max.
[quote]brandon76 wrote:
@CT:
Okay so my hypothesis is this on SGHPulls…as per your video in the training section and this new He-Man Pull you’ve done: The lighter the weight the more “float” and zero knee bend the body has. As the weight gets closer to the RM, after the explosive full extension the legs want to slightly bend as the pull initiates. This is natural and is allowed in form as the weight hits the persons max. [/quote]
Well, yes and no. Yes because that is pretty much what happens (slight knee bend when you come down). The reason is that the weigth is too heavy to be able to “hang” in the high position. Plus, the fact that less momentum is created puts the load back on the body sooner than if the bar progresses upwards for a longer period of time.
But yeah, it is allowed as long as it doesn’t artificially make you believe that it was pullsed high enough. My 180kg was what I consider to be limit.
CT, I started implementing Chinese High Pulls 4 weeks ago and wanted to get a form check now that the weights are getting up there. I’m looking at some Chinese lifters and I feel very very slow and that I either don’t get enough height on the bar or don’t get down to it fast enough when the weights get heavy.
First rep is 112kg, second is 120kg:
Comparing myself to this:
What do you say? Slow? Arms go too early?
Thats not much different than CTs pull. I think the Chinese Pull should have a leg bend angle of like 90 degrees. But what do I know about China Pulls…lol.
@CT:
What kind of bar would you recommend as a good all rounder, something that would be good for high pulls but also deadlifts and squats. I have a crap bar that I need to replace and have no idea where to start. Thanks
[quote]corn1514 wrote:
@CT:
What kind of bar would you recommend as a good all rounder, something that would be good for high pulls but also deadlifts and squats. I have a crap bar that I need to replace and have no idea where to start. Thanks[/quote]
The pendlay’s Next gen with BEARING (not bushing) is a very good, affordable bar. It is ideal for any olympic lifting related exercises (pulls, cleans, snatches, deadlifts, squats, front squats) but not for bench press before of the rotation of the sleeves (it sill works great, but I recommend a thumb-around grip if using it for theb ench press).
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]corn1514 wrote:
@CT:
What kind of bar would you recommend as a good all rounder, something that would be good for high pulls but also deadlifts and squats. I have a crap bar that I need to replace and have no idea where to start. Thanks[/quote]
The pendlay’s Next gen with BEARING (not bushing) is a very good, affordable bar. It is ideal for any olympic lifting related exercises (pulls, cleans, snatches, deadlifts, squats, front squats) but not for bench press before of the rotation of the sleeves (it sill works great, but I recommend a thumb-around grip if using it for theb ench press).[/quote]
Thanks CT very helpful.
CT, what is the best angle to video a sghp in order to evaluate technique? Straight ahead, straight off to the side or in between?
@CT hey CT I love doing the high pulls for layers. Best upper back workouts I’ve ever had by far. I’ve been focusing mainly on Chinese pulls as I feel like I can pull more weight with better form.
One thing I’ve noticed is that my arms feel shattered after a session of doing chinese pulls. My question is, is this a sign that my technique is wrong? Am I likely pulling too early? Or is i the case that the Chinese pulls work the arms more? Thanks
[quote]corn1514 wrote:
@CT hey CT I love doing the high pulls for layers. Best upper back workouts I’ve ever had by far. I’ve been focusing mainly on Chinese pulls as I feel like I can pull more weight with better form.
One thing I’ve noticed is that my arms feel shattered after a session of doing chinese pulls. My question is, is this a sign that my technique is wrong? Am I likely pulling too early? Or is i the case that the Chinese pulls work the arms more? Thanks
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They work the arm more. But they shouldn`t work them more when you pull, but rather be involved when you are ‘‘pulling yourself under’’… that having been said, because of that role, you will have the natural tendency of using the arms earlier in the pull (before momentum has been created) so you have to be careful about that.
In other words, it doesn’t necessarily indicate bad technique, but still focus on not pulling too early with the arms… or post a video!
CT(I’d also appreciate anyone else’s experience), is it common for 1,2 and even 3 rep maxes in the SGHP to be nearly identical? Today I tried a full strength layer on the sghp and here’s the results:
ramped to 200x1
two cluster sets at 185
dropped to 140 and ramped to 200x2 (this felt virtually the same as the 1 rm)
two cluster sets at 185
dropped to 140 and ramped to 195x3
The 195x3 set felt so good that I tried to get 205 but only managed 1 rep and not terribly explosive one at that. Is this common or is it indicating that I’ve got a serious limiting factor somewhere in the chain?
@cam:
Nope…nope…nope. Same for me exactly. It means its working as we are ramping and getting stronger through the workout. Nuero has a lot to do with it.
[quote]brandon76 wrote:
@cam:
Nope…nope…nope. Same for me exactly. It means its working as we are ramping and getting stronger through the workout. Nuero has a lot to do with it. [/quote]
Yep same for me as well guys.
@jp:
Ahh yeah. Jp Snapper in the house.
CT, just wanted to pop in and say how great it is you introduced me to the high pull, and how all the tips and help you have provided have helped me with the movement. I was very apprehensive at first to make this 40% of my lifting routine, but I’m glad I took the leap.
In 8 weeks I’ve taken in from a 215 max (which was probably not a picture perfect lift, lets be honest…) to this week where I hit 250 for what felt like a pretty good rep. I will have pics soon, but I certainly feel like my traps are as good as they’ve ever been.
The 2 biggest things that have helped me were the chest to the ceiling cue, and keeping the arms relaxed. Initially I was tensing everything up including my arms, but now I feel much more explosive keeping them relaxed. It’s an odd feeling at first (keeping the upper back tight but the arms relaxed) but its worthwhile to learn.
[quote]brandon76 wrote:
@jp:
Ahh yeah. Jp Snapper in the house.[/quote]
HAHA,I like it brandon…