Explaining Year-Round Lean Doesn't Lead to Size

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
I don’t disagree with Rogue, you can build muscle and reduce fat, you can build muscle without putting on excess fat.[/quote]

I’m not exactly sure, why guys here love to argue this point. Its done so many times. “well, he was fat before the movie.” “They really aren’t that big, its all movie theatrics that make them look big” lol. excuses.

How about all the mma fighters that gains size and get leaner. Ive mentioned frank mir many times. He got bigger and leaner. If you see pics of him awhile back, he was always a tad chunky, now hes well built and much leaner. He did this in between fights. Why can’t guys here admit, you can get bigger and get leaner at the same time. [/quote]

Semantics, semantics, semantics. You brought up actors and everyone else who responded to that point are making “excuses”. FWIW, I DO believe an individual can gain muscle and lose fat simultaneously. It’s entirely dependent on their starting point. Sedentary dude living off doritos and energy drinks will have dramatic results in those areas just by lifting and eliminating worthless food choices (not even ‘cutting’ per se).

However, this isn’t what you’re saying RV. I’m not even going to touch your attempt to use yourself as an example - I’ll just put that comment down to your unfortunate condition and the inability to use mirrors.[/quote]

My unfortunate condition. bhahahahah. thats laughable. [/quote] Vampire misses vampire reference? How strange… [quote] The only time i can see it being difficult gaining muscle and losing fat is if the guy is already extremely lean. then it might be very hard to do. Otherwise its very possible.

Trust me, I’m very critical of myself. But i also know my strong points. Im huge, jacked and highly developed. I have things i need to work on, just like we all do. but please, do not kid yourself or deceive yourself into thinking im not well built. Thats just lunacy to say that, given my stats. I weigh more than the rock does, and im 7-8 inches shorter. yep, thats not impressive now is it. [/quote]

Your strawman tactics don’t work on me (second attempt after the movie actor post). This is the quote I was referencing:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

Im not trying to start an argument here, but, are you saying you can’t gain muscle, without gaining fat? If you’re saying that, that is completely wrong. Not only have I known guys, myself included. We have not only gained muscle without gaining any fat, we have actually lost fat. Granted, you can’t do that with really low bodyfat. [/quote]

Specifically your claim that you’ve gained muscle and lost fat (implied both were done simultaneously). No mention of build or stats by me. This thread is about gaining mass without putting fat on, so taking you at your word, you would have had to have lost fat and gained muscle consistently during a lifting career lasting over 15 years for your experience to stand for anything.

For you to have done so, you’d have had to have started at a higher bodyfat when you started lifting at fifteen (unlikely), or you’ve bulked then cut over separate periods; meaning your experience isn’t what you’re making it out to be.

I’ll let people make up their own minds.

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I never said i got bigger and leaner since the very first time i started lifting. When i started lifting, i was 125lbs. But there have been occasions, mainly due, cause i was just tired of eating so much. So i just cut back a bit and stopped weighing myself.

after a few months of this, I finally weighed myself and i was lighter. But, my upper body was bigger. and i was stronger in all my lifts. This has happened a few times throughout the years. I was noticeably bigger and at the same time, i was lighter and leaner. Not alot leaner or alot bigger, but noticeable.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
I don’t disagree with Rogue, you can build muscle and reduce fat, you can build muscle without putting on excess fat.[/quote]

I’m not exactly sure, why guys here love to argue this point. Its done so many times. “well, he was fat before the movie.” “They really aren’t that big, its all movie theatrics that make them look big” lol. excuses.

How about all the mma fighters that gains size and get leaner. Ive mentioned frank mir many times. He got bigger and leaner. If you see pics of him awhile back, he was always a tad chunky, now hes well built and much leaner. He did this in between fights. Why can’t guys here admit, you can get bigger and get leaner at the same time. [/quote]

Semantics, semantics, semantics. You brought up actors and everyone else who responded to that point are making “excuses”. FWIW, I DO believe an individual can gain muscle and lose fat simultaneously. It’s entirely dependent on their starting point. Sedentary dude living off doritos and energy drinks will have dramatic results in those areas just by lifting and eliminating worthless food choices (not even ‘cutting’ per se).

However, this isn’t what you’re saying RV. I’m not even going to touch your attempt to use yourself as an example - I’ll just put that comment down to your unfortunate condition and the inability to use mirrors.[/quote]

My unfortunate condition. bhahahahah. thats laughable. [/quote] Vampire misses vampire reference? How strange… [quote] The only time i can see it being difficult gaining muscle and losing fat is if the guy is already extremely lean. then it might be very hard to do. Otherwise its very possible.

Trust me, I’m very critical of myself. But i also know my strong points. Im huge, jacked and highly developed. I have things i need to work on, just like we all do. but please, do not kid yourself or deceive yourself into thinking im not well built. Thats just lunacy to say that, given my stats. I weigh more than the rock does, and im 7-8 inches shorter. yep, thats not impressive now is it. [/quote]

Your strawman tactics don’t work on me (second attempt after the movie actor post). This is the quote I was referencing:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

Im not trying to start an argument here, but, are you saying you can’t gain muscle, without gaining fat? If you’re saying that, that is completely wrong. Not only have I known guys, myself included. We have not only gained muscle without gaining any fat, we have actually lost fat. Granted, you can’t do that with really low bodyfat. [/quote]

Specifically your claim that you’ve gained muscle and lost fat (implied both were done simultaneously). No mention of build or stats by me. This thread is about gaining mass without putting fat on, so taking you at your word, you would have had to have lost fat and gained muscle consistently during a lifting career lasting over 15 years for your experience to stand for anything.

For you to have done so, you’d have had to have started at a higher bodyfat when you started lifting at fifteen (unlikely), or you’ve bulked then cut over separate periods; meaning your experience isn’t what you’re making it out to be.

I’ll let people make up their own minds.

[/quote]

I never said i got bigger and leaner since the very first time i started lifting. When i started lifting, i was 125lbs. But there have been occasions, mainly due, cause i was just tired of eating so much. So i just cut back a bit and stopped weighing myself.

after a few months of this, I finally weighed myself and i was lighter. But, my upper body was bigger. and i was stronger in all my lifts. This has happened a few times throughout the years. I was noticeably bigger and at the same time, i was lighter and leaner. Not alot leaner or alot bigger, but noticeable. [/quote]

You didn’t have to say you got bigger and leaner since you started lifting. I’m saying that you would have had to if you’re going to hold yourself as an example.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
I don’t disagree with Rogue, you can build muscle and reduce fat, you can build muscle without putting on excess fat.[/quote]

I’m not exactly sure, why guys here love to argue this point. Its done so many times. “well, he was fat before the movie.” “They really aren’t that big, its all movie theatrics that make them look big” lol. excuses.

How about all the mma fighters that gains size and get leaner. Ive mentioned frank mir many times. He got bigger and leaner. If you see pics of him awhile back, he was always a tad chunky, now hes well built and much leaner. He did this in between fights. Why can’t guys here admit, you can get bigger and get leaner at the same time. [/quote]

Semantics, semantics, semantics. You brought up actors and everyone else who responded to that point are making “excuses”. FWIW, I DO believe an individual can gain muscle and lose fat simultaneously. It’s entirely dependent on their starting point. Sedentary dude living off doritos and energy drinks will have dramatic results in those areas just by lifting and eliminating worthless food choices (not even ‘cutting’ per se).

However, this isn’t what you’re saying RV. I’m not even going to touch your attempt to use yourself as an example - I’ll just put that comment down to your unfortunate condition and the inability to use mirrors.[/quote]

My unfortunate condition. bhahahahah. thats laughable. [/quote] Vampire misses vampire reference? How strange… [quote] The only time i can see it being difficult gaining muscle and losing fat is if the guy is already extremely lean. then it might be very hard to do. Otherwise its very possible.

Trust me, I’m very critical of myself. But i also know my strong points. Im huge, jacked and highly developed. I have things i need to work on, just like we all do. but please, do not kid yourself or deceive yourself into thinking im not well built. Thats just lunacy to say that, given my stats. I weigh more than the rock does, and im 7-8 inches shorter. yep, thats not impressive now is it. [/quote]

Your strawman tactics don’t work on me (second attempt after the movie actor post). This is the quote I was referencing:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

Im not trying to start an argument here, but, are you saying you can’t gain muscle, without gaining fat? If you’re saying that, that is completely wrong. Not only have I known guys, myself included. We have not only gained muscle without gaining any fat, we have actually lost fat. Granted, you can’t do that with really low bodyfat. [/quote]

Specifically your claim that you’ve gained muscle and lost fat (implied both were done simultaneously). No mention of build or stats by me. This thread is about gaining mass without putting fat on, so taking you at your word, you would have had to have lost fat and gained muscle consistently during a lifting career lasting over 15 years for your experience to stand for anything.

For you to have done so, you’d have had to have started at a higher bodyfat when you started lifting at fifteen (unlikely), or you’ve bulked then cut over separate periods; meaning your experience isn’t what you’re making it out to be.

I’ll let people make up their own minds.

[/quote]

I never said i got bigger and leaner since the very first time i started lifting. When i started lifting, i was 125lbs. But there have been occasions, mainly due, cause i was just tired of eating so much. So i just cut back a bit and stopped weighing myself.

after a few months of this, I finally weighed myself and i was lighter. But, my upper body was bigger. and i was stronger in all my lifts. This has happened a few times throughout the years. I was noticeably bigger and at the same time, i was lighter and leaner. Not alot leaner or alot bigger, but noticeable. [/quote]

You didn’t have to say you got bigger and leaner since you started lifting. I’m saying that you would have had to if you’re going to hold yourself as an example. [/quote]

I think your trying to nit pick a bit. When i first started lifting. I just wanted to get bigger. it was years later, where i’d notice the size increase with a fat decrease. I was already an experienced lifter.

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I can never tell whether roguevampire is serious or just a troll.

I’m not even saying that what he writes is crap or not. All I’m saying is that if he is serious, were I him, I would probably make a new screenname and start over. Srs.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
I don’t disagree with Rogue, you can build muscle and reduce fat, you can build muscle without putting on excess fat.[/quote]

I’m not exactly sure, why guys here love to argue this point. Its done so many times. “well, he was fat before the movie.” “They really aren’t that big, its all movie theatrics that make them look big” lol. excuses.

How about all the mma fighters that gains size and get leaner. Ive mentioned frank mir many times. He got bigger and leaner. If you see pics of him awhile back, he was always a tad chunky, now hes well built and much leaner. He did this in between fights. Why can’t guys here admit, you can get bigger and get leaner at the same time. [/quote]

Semantics, semantics, semantics. You brought up actors and everyone else who responded to that point are making “excuses”. FWIW, I DO believe an individual can gain muscle and lose fat simultaneously. It’s entirely dependent on their starting point. Sedentary dude living off doritos and energy drinks will have dramatic results in those areas just by lifting and eliminating worthless food choices (not even ‘cutting’ per se).

However, this isn’t what you’re saying RV. I’m not even going to touch your attempt to use yourself as an example - I’ll just put that comment down to your unfortunate condition and the inability to use mirrors.[/quote]

My unfortunate condition. bhahahahah. thats laughable. [/quote] Vampire misses vampire reference? How strange… [quote] The only time i can see it being difficult gaining muscle and losing fat is if the guy is already extremely lean. then it might be very hard to do. Otherwise its very possible.

Trust me, I’m very critical of myself. But i also know my strong points. Im huge, jacked and highly developed. I have things i need to work on, just like we all do. but please, do not kid yourself or deceive yourself into thinking im not well built. Thats just lunacy to say that, given my stats. I weigh more than the rock does, and im 7-8 inches shorter. yep, thats not impressive now is it. [/quote]

Your strawman tactics don’t work on me (second attempt after the movie actor post). This is the quote I was referencing:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

Im not trying to start an argument here, but, are you saying you can’t gain muscle, without gaining fat? If you’re saying that, that is completely wrong. Not only have I known guys, myself included. We have not only gained muscle without gaining any fat, we have actually lost fat. Granted, you can’t do that with really low bodyfat. [/quote]

Specifically your claim that you’ve gained muscle and lost fat (implied both were done simultaneously). No mention of build or stats by me. This thread is about gaining mass without putting fat on, so taking you at your word, you would have had to have lost fat and gained muscle consistently during a lifting career lasting over 15 years for your experience to stand for anything.

For you to have done so, you’d have had to have started at a higher bodyfat when you started lifting at fifteen (unlikely), or you’ve bulked then cut over separate periods; meaning your experience isn’t what you’re making it out to be.

I’ll let people make up their own minds.

[/quote]

I never said i got bigger and leaner since the very first time i started lifting. When i started lifting, i was 125lbs. But there have been occasions, mainly due, cause i was just tired of eating so much. So i just cut back a bit and stopped weighing myself.

after a few months of this, I finally weighed myself and i was lighter. But, my upper body was bigger. and i was stronger in all my lifts. This has happened a few times throughout the years. I was noticeably bigger and at the same time, i was lighter and leaner. Not alot leaner or alot bigger, but noticeable. [/quote]

You didn’t have to say you got bigger and leaner since you started lifting. I’m saying that you would have had to if you’re going to hold yourself as an example. [/quote]

I think your trying to nit pick a bit. When i first started lifting. I just wanted to get bigger. it was years later, where i’d notice the size increase with a fat decrease. I was already an experienced lifter. [/quote]

Not nitpicking at all when your argument and “experience” changes virtually with every post and after that last response, now falls closer in in line with what the OP was saying, when less than a page ago you were disagreeing with him. No mean feat.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
I don’t disagree with Rogue, you can build muscle and reduce fat, you can build muscle without putting on excess fat.[/quote]

I’m not exactly sure, why guys here love to argue this point. Its done so many times. “well, he was fat before the movie.” “They really aren’t that big, its all movie theatrics that make them look big” lol. excuses.

How about all the mma fighters that gains size and get leaner. Ive mentioned frank mir many times. He got bigger and leaner. If you see pics of him awhile back, he was always a tad chunky, now hes well built and much leaner. He did this in between fights. Why can’t guys here admit, you can get bigger and get leaner at the same time. [/quote]

Semantics, semantics, semantics. You brought up actors and everyone else who responded to that point are making “excuses”. FWIW, I DO believe an individual can gain muscle and lose fat simultaneously. It’s entirely dependent on their starting point. Sedentary dude living off doritos and energy drinks will have dramatic results in those areas just by lifting and eliminating worthless food choices (not even ‘cutting’ per se).

However, this isn’t what you’re saying RV. I’m not even going to touch your attempt to use yourself as an example - I’ll just put that comment down to your unfortunate condition and the inability to use mirrors.[/quote]

My unfortunate condition. bhahahahah. thats laughable. [/quote] Vampire misses vampire reference? How strange… [quote] The only time i can see it being difficult gaining muscle and losing fat is if the guy is already extremely lean. then it might be very hard to do. Otherwise its very possible.

Trust me, I’m very critical of myself. But i also know my strong points. Im huge, jacked and highly developed. I have things i need to work on, just like we all do. but please, do not kid yourself or deceive yourself into thinking im not well built. Thats just lunacy to say that, given my stats. I weigh more than the rock does, and im 7-8 inches shorter. yep, thats not impressive now is it. [/quote]

Your strawman tactics don’t work on me (second attempt after the movie actor post). This is the quote I was referencing:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

Im not trying to start an argument here, but, are you saying you can’t gain muscle, without gaining fat? If you’re saying that, that is completely wrong. Not only have I known guys, myself included. We have not only gained muscle without gaining any fat, we have actually lost fat. Granted, you can’t do that with really low bodyfat. [/quote]

Specifically your claim that you’ve gained muscle and lost fat (implied both were done simultaneously). No mention of build or stats by me. This thread is about gaining mass without putting fat on, so taking you at your word, you would have had to have lost fat and gained muscle consistently during a lifting career lasting over 15 years for your experience to stand for anything.

For you to have done so, you’d have had to have started at a higher bodyfat when you started lifting at fifteen (unlikely), or you’ve bulked then cut over separate periods; meaning your experience isn’t what you’re making it out to be.

I’ll let people make up their own minds.

[/quote]

I never said i got bigger and leaner since the very first time i started lifting. When i started lifting, i was 125lbs. But there have been occasions, mainly due, cause i was just tired of eating so much. So i just cut back a bit and stopped weighing myself.

after a few months of this, I finally weighed myself and i was lighter. But, my upper body was bigger. and i was stronger in all my lifts. This has happened a few times throughout the years. I was noticeably bigger and at the same time, i was lighter and leaner. Not alot leaner or alot bigger, but noticeable. [/quote]

You didn’t have to say you got bigger and leaner since you started lifting. I’m saying that you would have had to if you’re going to hold yourself as an example. [/quote]

I think your trying to nit pick a bit. When i first started lifting. I just wanted to get bigger. it was years later, where i’d notice the size increase with a fat decrease. I was already an experienced lifter. [/quote]

Not nitpicking at all when your argument and “experience” changes virtually with every post and after that last response, now falls closer in in line with what the OP was saying, when less than a page ago you were disagreeing with him. No mean feat.[/quote]

You must be really bored at work to still be having it out with RV haha

FWIW I’ve had pretty good luck with improving leanness and muscularity simultaneously. So I guess I’m with the vampire on this one?

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
I don’t disagree with Rogue, you can build muscle and reduce fat, you can build muscle without putting on excess fat.[/quote]

I’m not exactly sure, why guys here love to argue this point. Its done so many times. “well, he was fat before the movie.” “They really aren’t that big, its all movie theatrics that make them look big” lol. excuses.

How about all the mma fighters that gains size and get leaner. Ive mentioned frank mir many times. He got bigger and leaner. If you see pics of him awhile back, he was always a tad chunky, now hes well built and much leaner. He did this in between fights. Why can’t guys here admit, you can get bigger and get leaner at the same time. [/quote]

Semantics, semantics, semantics. You brought up actors and everyone else who responded to that point are making “excuses”. FWIW, I DO believe an individual can gain muscle and lose fat simultaneously. It’s entirely dependent on their starting point. Sedentary dude living off doritos and energy drinks will have dramatic results in those areas just by lifting and eliminating worthless food choices (not even ‘cutting’ per se).

However, this isn’t what you’re saying RV. I’m not even going to touch your attempt to use yourself as an example - I’ll just put that comment down to your unfortunate condition and the inability to use mirrors.[/quote]

My unfortunate condition. bhahahahah. thats laughable. [/quote] Vampire misses vampire reference? How strange… [quote] The only time i can see it being difficult gaining muscle and losing fat is if the guy is already extremely lean. then it might be very hard to do. Otherwise its very possible.

Trust me, I’m very critical of myself. But i also know my strong points. Im huge, jacked and highly developed. I have things i need to work on, just like we all do. but please, do not kid yourself or deceive yourself into thinking im not well built. Thats just lunacy to say that, given my stats. I weigh more than the rock does, and im 7-8 inches shorter. yep, thats not impressive now is it. [/quote]

Your strawman tactics don’t work on me (second attempt after the movie actor post). This is the quote I was referencing:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

Im not trying to start an argument here, but, are you saying you can’t gain muscle, without gaining fat? If you’re saying that, that is completely wrong. Not only have I known guys, myself included. We have not only gained muscle without gaining any fat, we have actually lost fat. Granted, you can’t do that with really low bodyfat. [/quote]

Specifically your claim that you’ve gained muscle and lost fat (implied both were done simultaneously). No mention of build or stats by me. This thread is about gaining mass without putting fat on, so taking you at your word, you would have had to have lost fat and gained muscle consistently during a lifting career lasting over 15 years for your experience to stand for anything.

For you to have done so, you’d have had to have started at a higher bodyfat when you started lifting at fifteen (unlikely), or you’ve bulked then cut over separate periods; meaning your experience isn’t what you’re making it out to be.

I’ll let people make up their own minds.

[/quote]

I never said i got bigger and leaner since the very first time i started lifting. When i started lifting, i was 125lbs. But there have been occasions, mainly due, cause i was just tired of eating so much. So i just cut back a bit and stopped weighing myself.

after a few months of this, I finally weighed myself and i was lighter. But, my upper body was bigger. and i was stronger in all my lifts. This has happened a few times throughout the years. I was noticeably bigger and at the same time, i was lighter and leaner. Not alot leaner or alot bigger, but noticeable. [/quote]

You didn’t have to say you got bigger and leaner since you started lifting. I’m saying that you would have had to if you’re going to hold yourself as an example. [/quote]

I think your trying to nit pick a bit. When i first started lifting. I just wanted to get bigger. it was years later, where i’d notice the size increase with a fat decrease. I was already an experienced lifter. [/quote]

Not nitpicking at all when your argument and “experience” changes virtually with every post and after that last response, now falls closer in in line with what the OP was saying, when less than a page ago you were disagreeing with him. No mean feat.[/quote]

I said you can gain size and lose bodyfat at the same time. cause you can. I did it, so have many others i have known. I didn’t gain size, then cut back to lose the fat. Ive never done that. But while gaining size, i have gotten leaner. sometimes, ive stayed the same leaness, other times ive gotten leaner. I haven’t changed anything from what I said.

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[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
Not nitpicking at all when your argument and “experience” changes virtually with every post and after that last response, now falls closer in in line with what the OP was saying, when less than a page ago you were disagreeing with him. No mean feat.[/quote]

You must be really bored at work to still be having it out with RV haha

FWIW I’ve had pretty good luck with improving leanness and muscularity simultaneously. So I guess I’m with the vampire on this one?[/quote]

Im also bored as hell at work. SSShhhhhhh, don’t tell people here that you are getting bigger and leaner at the same time, they will just call you a liar and flame you. lol. Its not possible to do it, haven’t you heard, lol.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

How exactly am i delusional? lets look at the facts. I have a 58+ in chest. 20+ in arms. I have huge wide shoulders. I have huge traps. wide thick back. 31 in legs. Im 285-290lbs. So tell me, exactly how am I delusional? I have bench press well over 500lbs, raw. I can incline press 375 for about 10 reps. Those are the facts. they can’t be disputed. [/quote]

I just thought this should be posted again

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[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:

You must be really bored at work to still be having it out with RV haha

FWIW I’ve had pretty good luck with improving leanness and muscularity simultaneously. So I guess I’m with the vampire on this one?[/quote]

My issue is not with improving leanness and muscularity simultaneously. I actually said it can be done, posted my reasoning, which he then promptly hijacked. My issue is with RV holding himself up as a poster boy for it when…he hasn’t done it consistently over 15 + years of lifting and admits to it, yet he claims he hasn’t changed his argument. For every post he makes in this thread I could easily pull up a post that directly contradicts it…if I did that though, I’d have randoms jumping all over me asking why I’m spending so much time on him (not directed at you).

Heck, recently he made a remark about people starting threads about him while conveniently glossing over his auto-interview:

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/music_movies_girls_life/ive_been_threatened_on_facebook?pageNo=3#bottom

But, as usual you can’t force people to see what they don’t want to.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:

You must be really bored at work to still be having it out with RV haha

FWIW I’ve had pretty good luck with improving leanness and muscularity simultaneously. So I guess I’m with the vampire on this one?[/quote]

My issue is not with improving leanness and muscularity simultaneously. I actually said it can be done, posted my reasoning, which he then promptly hijacked. My issue is with RV holding himself up as a poster boy for it when…he hasn’t done it consistently over 15 + years of lifting and admits to it, yet he claims he hasn’t changed his argument. For every post he makes in this thread I could easily pull up a post that directly contradicts it…if I did that though, I’d have randoms jumping all over me asking why I’m spending so much time on him (not directed at you).

Heck, recently he made a remark about people starting threads about him while conveniently glossing over his auto-interview:

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/music_movies_girls_life/ive_been_threatened_on_facebook?pageNo=3#bottom

But, as usual you can’t force people to see what they don’t want to. [/quote]

I am most definately not the poster boy for it. lol. All im saying is, like you just said, that its possible to do.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
Not nitpicking at all when your argument and “experience” changes virtually with every post and after that last response, now falls closer in in line with what the OP was saying, when less than a page ago you were disagreeing with him. No mean feat.[/quote]

You must be really bored at work to still be having it out with RV haha

FWIW I’ve had pretty good luck with improving leanness and muscularity simultaneously. So I guess I’m with the vampire on this one?[/quote]

Im also bored as hell at work. SSShhhhhhh, don’t tell people here that you are getting bigger and leaner at the same time, they will just call you a liar and flame you. lol. Its not possible to do it, haven’t you heard, lol.[/quote]

Before you attempt to forge alliances, I dare you to quote me on that, Pinocchio.

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[quote]BlueLineCretin wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

How exactly am i delusional? lets look at the facts. I have a 58+ in chest. 20+ in arms. I have huge wide shoulders. I have huge traps. wide thick back. 31 in legs. Im 285-290lbs. So tell me, exactly how am I delusional? I have bench press well over 500lbs, raw. I can incline press 375 for about 10 reps. Those are the facts. they can’t be disputed. [/quote]

I just thought this should be posted again[/quote]

if you can provide us with a video of you bench pressing “well over 500lbs raw”. i will wear a pink tutu to my next meet on april 28th where i will be benching over 500lbs raw.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
Not nitpicking at all when your argument and “experience” changes virtually with every post and after that last response, now falls closer in in line with what the OP was saying, when less than a page ago you were disagreeing with him. No mean feat.[/quote]

You must be really bored at work to still be having it out with RV haha

FWIW I’ve had pretty good luck with improving leanness and muscularity simultaneously. So I guess I’m with the vampire on this one?[/quote]

Im also bored as hell at work. SSShhhhhhh, don’t tell people here that you are getting bigger and leaner at the same time, they will just call you a liar and flame you. lol. Its not possible to do it, haven’t you heard, lol.[/quote]

Before you attempt to forge alliances, I dare you to quote me on that, Pinocchio.[/quote]

Wasn’t suggesting that you denied it, just making my experience known. Sorry if I was unclear. You probably would have been less happy if I said “I’m with roybot and the vampire” haha

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]BlueLineCretin wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

How exactly am i delusional? lets look at the facts. I have a 58+ in chest. 20+ in arms. I have huge wide shoulders. I have huge traps. wide thick back. 31 in legs. Im 285-290lbs. So tell me, exactly how am I delusional? I have bench press well over 500lbs, raw. I can incline press 375 for about 10 reps. Those are the facts. they can’t be disputed. [/quote]

I just thought this should be posted again[/quote]

if you can provide us with a video of you bench pressing “well over 500lbs raw”. i will wear a pink tutu to my next meet on april 28th where i will be benching over 500lbs raw. [/quote]

This is awesome.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
Not nitpicking at all when your argument and “experience” changes virtually with every post and after that last response, now falls closer in in line with what the OP was saying, when less than a page ago you were disagreeing with him. No mean feat.[/quote]

You must be really bored at work to still be having it out with RV haha

FWIW I’ve had pretty good luck with improving leanness and muscularity simultaneously. So I guess I’m with the vampire on this one?[/quote]

Im also bored as hell at work. SSShhhhhhh, don’t tell people here that you are getting bigger and leaner at the same time, they will just call you a liar and flame you. lol. Its not possible to do it, haven’t you heard, lol.[/quote]

Before you attempt to forge alliances, I dare you to quote me on that, Pinocchio.[/quote]

“My issue is not with improving leanness and muscularity simultaneously. I actually said it can be done, posted my reasoning” Those are your words, are they not?

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[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
Not nitpicking at all when your argument and “experience” changes virtually with every post and after that last response, now falls closer in in line with what the OP was saying, when less than a page ago you were disagreeing with him. No mean feat.[/quote]

You must be really bored at work to still be having it out with RV haha

FWIW I’ve had pretty good luck with improving leanness and muscularity simultaneously. So I guess I’m with the vampire on this one?[/quote]

Im also bored as hell at work. SSShhhhhhh, don’t tell people here that you are getting bigger and leaner at the same time, they will just call you a liar and flame you. lol. Its not possible to do it, haven’t you heard, lol.[/quote]

Before you attempt to forge alliances, I dare you to quote me on that, Pinocchio.[/quote]

Wasn’t suggesting that you denied it, just making my experience known. Sorry if I was unclear. You probably would have been less happy if I said “I’m with roybot and the vampire” haha
[/quote]

I suggest you compare and contrast his boasts with his claimed training experience. I’m on the clock now, so I’m leaving before anybody else reads the last post RV attributes to me and jumps to his defense.

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]BlueLineCretin wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

How exactly am i delusional? lets look at the facts. I have a 58+ in chest. 20+ in arms. I have huge wide shoulders. I have huge traps. wide thick back. 31 in legs. Im 285-290lbs. So tell me, exactly how am I delusional? I have bench press well over 500lbs, raw. I can incline press 375 for about 10 reps. Those are the facts. they can’t be disputed. [/quote]

I just thought this should be posted again[/quote]

if you can provide us with a video of you bench pressing “well over 500lbs raw”. i will wear a pink tutu to my next meet on april 28th where i will be benching over 500lbs raw. [/quote]

Oh. Snap.

Just a few more weeks MM. If he posts that video, I’ll wear a “RogueVampire Fan Club” sign on my back at the meet. Hell, i should probably do that regardless.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
Not nitpicking at all when your argument and “experience” changes virtually with every post and after that last response, now falls closer in in line with what the OP was saying, when less than a page ago you were disagreeing with him. No mean feat.[/quote]

You must be really bored at work to still be having it out with RV haha

FWIW I’ve had pretty good luck with improving leanness and muscularity simultaneously. So I guess I’m with the vampire on this one?[/quote]

Im also bored as hell at work. SSShhhhhhh, don’t tell people here that you are getting bigger and leaner at the same time, they will just call you a liar and flame you. lol. Its not possible to do it, haven’t you heard, lol.[/quote]

Before you attempt to forge alliances, I dare you to quote me on that, Pinocchio.[/quote]

“My issue is not with improving leanness and muscularity simultaneously. I actually said it can be done, posted my reasoning” Those are your words, are they not?[/quote]

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