Explain Weak Elite Athletes

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[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
Athletes that are 6’10" and up, can run, jump, shoot, dribble, pass, understand the game, and have the desire to play, along with being physically strong in the weight room do not exist. There are none of these people on the planet. Anywhere. There have never been. As you get taller having all these qualities becomes less and less likely to the point where it is almost never seen. The closest is Lebron James, who is the tallest explosive coordinated athlete I have ever seen.[/quote]

That’s a bit much, there have been plenty of quick and explosive nomdars in NBA history, it is certainly not very common, and of course, many of these guys are still one-upped by shorter fireplug players, but it’s not that impossible.

Look at Dirk Nowitzki, he is pretty fast, he’s got quicks and good ball handling skills, he can take a shot from anywhere on the court and he is powerful in the paint. His weight room numbers might not be stellar, but I would be willing to wager they are above average, and he’s 7’0".

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
shadyniner wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
I’ve always wondered why some players who look weak or even are weak excel and some who look extremely strong are just role players.

For example, in the pre-draft testing Kevin Durant, likely the 2nd pick of this year’s NBA draft, couldn’t even do one bench press rep at 185 and he weighs around 220! Or Derek Fisher has a chiseled physique but isn’t one-tenth the basketball player Vince Carter is even though Carter looks much softer.

Clearly strength is important for basketball but somehow it doesn’t translate into performance as straightforwardly as i would have expected. Why is this?

Sure strength is important in basketball, but basketball skill is WAY more important than being strong.

How do you distinguish the two? What basketball skills require no strength?

What kind of basketball do you play?

If you have played for 15 years you should know a big bench has nothing to do with dribbling, passing, shooting etc. etc. etc.[/quote]

The chest, shoulders, and triceps are not involved in dribbling, passing, and shooting? Then what upper body muscles are involved? And why does the NBA test bench pressing then? I agree that the lower body is more important than the upper body in basketball but the upper body is still very important IMO.

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[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:
Shadowzz4 wrote:
There was a kid who played for Tennessee a few years back. Marcus Haislip. 6’10" 230 or so, maybe a bit bigger. 405 lb bench.

I read the link, but I would have to see that to believe it. I have never seen a 6’10, relatively skinny person (at that weight and pic) bench that much.

Actually, just looked him up and now I know it is BS. He managed 185x15 reps at his testing, only a serious injury could have caused that drop. He also says he squats 585 which we all know is BS for a 6’10 basketball player. Moral of the story is don’t believe a lot of “personal reporting” from non-strength athletes[/quote]

Even if he can bench near 300 at that height it is very rare. And he can probably squat a good amount, prob not 585 but I bet he could get 400. The point still stands. The kid is probably stronger than 95% of the post players in the league. And you know as well as I do that a max bench test doesnt tell anything. I would think he would be able to get 185 more times if he could bench 405 but you never know.

Shadowzz4 wrote:
Athletes that are 6’10" and up, can run, jump, shoot, dribble, pass, understand the game, and have the desire to play, along with being physically strong in the weight room do not exist. There are none of these people on the planet. Anywhere. There have never been. As you get taller having all these qualities becomes less and less likely to the point where it is almost never seen. The closest is Lebron James, who is the tallest explosive coordinated athlete I have ever seen.

That’s a bit much, there have been plenty of quick and explosive nomdars in NBA history, it is certainly not very common, and of course, many of these guys are still one-upped by shorter fireplug players, but it’s not that impossible.

Look at Dirk Nowitzki, he is pretty fast, he’s got quicks and good ball handling skills, he can take a shot from anywhere on the court and he is powerful in the paint. His weight room numbers might not be stellar, but I would be willing to wager they are above average, and he’s 7’0".

Its not a bit much. Dirk Nowitski is very quick for someone his height, but no where near as quick as Kevin Durant. Not even close. And he has no jumping ability at all. He is very well coordinated, and understands how to play, he can even dribble fairly well. But he is not a good athlete at all in the traditional sense.

Seriously, think of some athletes that have the attributes I was talking about.

Kevin Garnett- Cant dribble like Durant, not as fast.

Amare Stoudemire- Cant dribble like durant, cant shoot like Durant.

Rashard Lewis- Maybe the closest to Durant in theory, but not a great dribbler and plays more like a perimeter player, doesnt use his height and jumping ability to drive to rim as much as he should.

Anyone else?

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[quote]Bonn1997 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
shadyniner wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
I’ve always wondered why some players who look weak or even are weak excel and some who look extremely strong are just role players.

For example, in the pre-draft testing Kevin Durant, likely the 2nd pick of this year’s NBA draft, couldn’t even do one bench press rep at 185 and he weighs around 220! Or Derek Fisher has a chiseled physique but isn’t one-tenth the basketball player Vince Carter is even though Carter looks much softer.

Clearly strength is important for basketball but somehow it doesn’t translate into performance as straightforwardly as i would have expected. Why is this?

Sure strength is important in basketball, but basketball skill is WAY more important than being strong.

How do you distinguish the two? What basketball skills require no strength?

What kind of basketball do you play?

If you have played for 15 years you should know a big bench has nothing to do with dribbling, passing, shooting etc. etc. etc.

The chest, shoulders, and triceps are not involved in dribbling, passing, and shooting? Then what upper body muscles are involved? And why does the NBA test bench pressing then? I agree that the lower body is more important than the upper body in basketball but the upper body is still very important IMO.[/quote]

Upper body strength is not very important compared to skill, speed, shooting ability, passing ability, etc… Even lower body strength is not extremely important. Yes, it may help a player but he will not overtake players that are better than he is.

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[quote]Bonn1997 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
shadyniner wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
I’ve always wondered why some players who look weak or even are weak excel and some who look extremely strong are just role players.

For example, in the pre-draft testing Kevin Durant, likely the 2nd pick of this year’s NBA draft, couldn’t even do one bench press rep at 185 and he weighs around 220! Or Derek Fisher has a chiseled physique but isn’t one-tenth the basketball player Vince Carter is even though Carter looks much softer.

Clearly strength is important for basketball but somehow it doesn’t translate into performance as straightforwardly as i would have expected. Why is this?

Sure strength is important in basketball, but basketball skill is WAY more important than being strong.

How do you distinguish the two? What basketball skills require no strength?

What kind of basketball do you play?

If you have played for 15 years you should know a big bench has nothing to do with dribbling, passing, shooting etc. etc. etc.

The chest, shoulders, and triceps are not involved in dribbling, passing, and shooting? Then what upper body muscles are involved? And why does the NBA test bench pressing then? I agree that the lower body is more important than the upper body in basketball but the upper body is still very important IMO.[/quote]

Um, no. The fact that you USE your chest, shoulders, and triceps to dribble, pass, and shoot does not mean you need to be strong to do those things well. You really don’t. You use your legs to walk. You don’t need to have strong legs to walk ‘well’. You don’t need to have particularly strong legs to run long distances well, though it can help.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
shadyniner wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
I’ve always wondered why some players who look weak or even are weak excel and some who look extremely strong are just role players.

For example, in the pre-draft testing Kevin Durant, likely the 2nd pick of this year’s NBA draft, couldn’t even do one bench press rep at 185 and he weighs around 220! Or Derek Fisher has a chiseled physique but isn’t one-tenth the basketball player Vince Carter is even though Carter looks much softer.

Clearly strength is important for basketball but somehow it doesn’t translate into performance as straightforwardly as i would have expected. Why is this?

Sure strength is important in basketball, but basketball skill is WAY more important than being strong.

How do you distinguish the two? What basketball skills require no strength?

What kind of basketball do you play?

If you have played for 15 years you should know a big bench has nothing to do with dribbling, passing, shooting etc. etc. etc.

The chest, shoulders, and triceps are not involved in dribbling, passing, and shooting? Then what upper body muscles are involved? And why does the NBA test bench pressing then? I agree that the lower body is more important than the upper body in basketball but the upper body is still very important IMO.

Um, no. The fact that you USE your chest, shoulders, and triceps to dribble, pass, and shoot does not mean you need to be strong to do those things well. You really don’t. You use your legs to walk. You don’t need to have strong legs to walk ‘well’. You don’t need to have particularly strong legs to run long distances well, though it can help.[/quote]

Then what do you need to do those things well? If it’s “skill,” how do you get that skill without doing things that add strength? If it’s through “practice,” then my question is what is it about practice besides building strength that helps?

I guess my whole point was that I was curious what factors besides strength contribute to athletic performance? Maybe the efficiency of brain functioning (like coordinating movements and seeing things happen) is part of the answer. I guess effort level is key too. What else? I’ve just always wondered why a guy like Tim Thomas is not one-tenth the basketball player Dirk Nowitzski is while if you just looked at the two, you’d think Tim Thomas would be a thousand times better.

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[quote]Bonn1997 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
shadyniner wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
I’ve always wondered why some players who look weak or even are weak excel and some who look extremely strong are just role players.

For example, in the pre-draft testing Kevin Durant, likely the 2nd pick of this year’s NBA draft, couldn’t even do one bench press rep at 185 and he weighs around 220! Or Derek Fisher has a chiseled physique but isn’t one-tenth the basketball player Vince Carter is even though Carter looks much softer.

Clearly strength is important for basketball but somehow it doesn’t translate into performance as straightforwardly as i would have expected. Why is this?

Sure strength is important in basketball, but basketball skill is WAY more important than being strong.

How do you distinguish the two? What basketball skills require no strength?

What kind of basketball do you play?

If you have played for 15 years you should know a big bench has nothing to do with dribbling, passing, shooting etc. etc. etc.

The chest, shoulders, and triceps are not involved in dribbling, passing, and shooting? Then what upper body muscles are involved? And why does the NBA test bench pressing then? I agree that the lower body is more important than the upper body in basketball but the upper body is still very important IMO.

Um, no. The fact that you USE your chest, shoulders, and triceps to dribble, pass, and shoot does not mean you need to be strong to do those things well. You really don’t. You use your legs to walk. You don’t need to have strong legs to walk ‘well’. You don’t need to have particularly strong legs to run long distances well, though it can help.

Then what do you need to do those things well? If it’s “skill,” how do you get that skill without doing things that add strength? If it’s through “practice,” then my question is what is it about practice besides building strength that helps?

I guess my whole point was that I was curious what factors besides strength contribute to athletic performance? Maybe the efficiency of brain functioning (like coordinating movements and seeing things happen) is part of the answer. I guess effort level is key too. What else? I’ve just always wondered why a guy like Tim Thomas is not one-tenth the basketball player Dirk Nowitzski is while if you just looked at the two, you’d think Tim Thomas would be a thousand times better.

[/quote]

You need agility, speed, and eye-hand coordination.

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[quote]Bonn1997 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
shadyniner wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
I’ve always wondered why some players who look weak or even are weak excel and some who look extremely strong are just role players.

For example, in the pre-draft testing Kevin Durant, likely the 2nd pick of this year’s NBA draft, couldn’t even do one bench press rep at 185 and he weighs around 220! Or Derek Fisher has a chiseled physique but isn’t one-tenth the basketball player Vince Carter is even though Carter looks much softer.

Clearly strength is important for basketball but somehow it doesn’t translate into performance as straightforwardly as i would have expected. Why is this?

Sure strength is important in basketball, but basketball skill is WAY more important than being strong.

How do you distinguish the two? What basketball skills require no strength?

What kind of basketball do you play?

If you have played for 15 years you should know a big bench has nothing to do with dribbling, passing, shooting etc. etc. etc.

The chest, shoulders, and triceps are not involved in dribbling, passing, and shooting? Then what upper body muscles are involved? And why does the NBA test bench pressing then? I agree that the lower body is more important than the upper body in basketball but the upper body is still very important IMO.[/quote]

Are you saying heavy benching will improve dribbling etc?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

Are you saying heavy benching will improve dribbling etc?[/quote]

I like to do heavy dips for that.

I am trying to get the ball to make craters in the floor as I dribble.

/sarcasm

No mr. Bonn1997 (year born?), having greater strength doesn’t help your dribbling, AT ALL.

You also use your neck muscles to look up at the basket, so should NBA players start doing bridges and using neck-harnesses to improve their neck strength?

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[quote]SWR wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

Are you saying heavy benching will improve dribbling etc?

I like to do heavy dips for that.

I am trying to get the ball to make craters in the floor as I dribble.

/sarcasm

No mr. Bonn1997 (year born?), having greater strength doesn’t help your dribbling, AT ALL.

You also use your neck muscles to look up at the basket, so should NBA players start doing bridges and using neck-harnesses to improve their neck strength?[/quote]

The better dribblers do dribble much harder and more powerfully than poorer dribblers. The extra speed on the dribble makes it harder for the opponent to steal the ball and the extra hand and triceps strength allows them to dribble lower to the ground and still be able to control the ball.

If you play at a high level, you can hear the ball hitting the floor louder when the PG dribbles, especially when penetrating in the half-court, than when weaker players dribble. Shoulders are involved to some extent but triceps (and probably forearm) strength is more involved.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
shadyniner wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
I’ve always wondered why some players who look weak or even are weak excel and some who look extremely strong are just role players.

For example, in the pre-draft testing Kevin Durant, likely the 2nd pick of this year’s NBA draft, couldn’t even do one bench press rep at 185 and he weighs around 220! Or Derek Fisher has a chiseled physique but isn’t one-tenth the basketball player Vince Carter is even though Carter looks much softer.

Clearly strength is important for basketball but somehow it doesn’t translate into performance as straightforwardly as i would have expected. Why is this?

Sure strength is important in basketball, but basketball skill is WAY more important than being strong.

How do you distinguish the two? What basketball skills require no strength?

What kind of basketball do you play?

If you have played for 15 years you should know a big bench has nothing to do with dribbling, passing, shooting etc. etc. etc.

The chest, shoulders, and triceps are not involved in dribbling, passing, and shooting? Then what upper body muscles are involved? And why does the NBA test bench pressing then? I agree that the lower body is more important than the upper body in basketball but the upper body is still very important IMO.

Um, no. The fact that you USE your chest, shoulders, and triceps to dribble, pass, and shoot does not mean you need to be strong to do those things well. You really don’t. You use your legs to walk. You don’t need to have strong legs to walk ‘well’. You don’t need to have particularly strong legs to run long distances well, though it can help.

Then what do you need to do those things well? If it’s “skill,” how do you get that skill without doing things that add strength? If it’s through “practice,” then my question is what is it about practice besides building strength that helps?

I guess my whole point was that I was curious what factors besides strength contribute to athletic performance? Maybe the efficiency of brain functioning (like coordinating movements and seeing things happen) is part of the answer. I guess effort level is key too.

What else? I’ve just always wondered why a guy like Tim Thomas is not one-tenth the basketball player Dirk Nowitzski is while if you just looked at the two, you’d think Tim Thomas would be a thousand times better.

You need agility, speed, and eye-hand coordination.
[/quote]
Would strength not affect agility and speed?

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[quote]Bonn1997 wrote:
SWR wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

Are you saying heavy benching will improve dribbling etc?

I like to do heavy dips for that.

I am trying to get the ball to make craters in the floor as I dribble.

/sarcasm

No mr. Bonn1997 (year born?), having greater strength doesn’t help your dribbling, AT ALL.

You also use your neck muscles to look up at the basket, so should NBA players start doing bridges and using neck-harnesses to improve their neck strength?

The better dribblers do dribble much harder and more powerfully than poorer dribblers. The extra speed on the dribble makes it harder for the opponent to steal the ball and the extra hand and triceps strength allows them to dribble lower to the ground and still be able to control the ball.

If you play at a high level, you can hear the ball hitting the floor louder when the PG dribbles, especially when penetrating in the half-court, than when weaker players dribble. Shoulders are involved to some extent but triceps (and probably forearm) strength is more involved.

[/quote]

This has more to do with the type of player. Baron Davis, Steve Francis, power type guards pound the ball like that, Allen Iverson is lighter with it. Its more a style than it is proof of a good strong player.

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[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
SWR wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

Are you saying heavy benching will improve dribbling etc?

I like to do heavy dips for that.

I am trying to get the ball to make craters in the floor as I dribble.

/sarcasm

No mr. Bonn1997 (year born?), having greater strength doesn’t help your dribbling, AT ALL.

You also use your neck muscles to look up at the basket, so should NBA players start doing bridges and using neck-harnesses to improve their neck strength?

The better dribblers do dribble much harder and more powerfully than poorer dribblers. The extra speed on the dribble makes it harder for the opponent to steal the ball and the extra hand and triceps strength allows them to dribble lower to the ground and still be able to control the ball.

If you play at a high level, you can hear the ball hitting the floor louder when the PG dribbles, especially when penetrating in the half-court, than when weaker players dribble. Shoulders are involved to some extent but triceps (and probably forearm) strength is more involved.

This has more to do with the type of player. Baron Davis, Steve Francis, power type guards pound the ball like that, Allen Iverson is lighter with it. Its more a style than it is proof of a good strong player.

[/quote]

Maybe compared to Baron and Marbury, AI doesn’t dribble hard. But I guarantee you he’s dribbling more powerfully than any amateur player. Otherwise, it would get stolen from him often.

To prevent the ball from being stolen when you’re dribbling, you can do one of two things:
(a) dribble very low to the ground (and it takes a lot of forearm and triceps, and probably some shoulder, biceps, chest, and back strength to control the ball when it’s coming up quickly; or
(b) dribble higher but more more forcefully, which requires the same muscles. At the highest levels, they do both a and b. Obviously hand-eye coordination and general motor skills are crucial too, though.

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These Elite Athletes are not weak at what they are do. They May be weak in the gym, but if thats not a skill they have developed over the years half of their weakness will be from lack of technique.

We went through a period of sports where nobody lifted weights for fear of getting to big. Then they went through a period of all weights and steriods.

Now we’re going through a period where people are learning to gain strength to use while using their particular skill. If you have somebody who never developed the skill of shooting, then they can bench press 1000lbs it won’t help them. If the ball weighs less then a 1 lb who cares if you can bench a thousand of them.

To develop a skill for a sport such as basketball and baseball the reason you practice is to make this skill automatic. When a baseball is going at Barry Bonds at 100 mph, he has no time to think of every step in his technique. This should have been developed in practice.

Taking millions of swings over the years. The same with Tim Duncan getting the ball in the post. His Wake Forest Drop step needs to come in milliseconds before the double team gets there. That comes from repetition.

And you are right alot of them do dribble the ball pretty hard, but do you honestly think its 400lbs of pressure every time. If you can bench 400, and baron Davis can bench 200, what does it matter if both of you are only applying 50lbs of force to the ball to dribble it.

It’s still a hard pounding but its relative to the game. Now say he spent 2 hours a day applying 50lbs of force, and you spent 30 minutes benching 300lbs for 5 sets of 10. Who do you think is going to be a better ball hanlder?

Same thing with agility, and quickness. If you do 10 sets of 20 calf raises, and somebody else Jumps Rope for 15 minutes a day, the person Jumping rope is more likely to be quicker off his feet. He might not be faster than you, but he will seem to have more of a bounce when making decisions. Because in that 15 minutes of Jump rope he probably did about 1000 small jumps.

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[quote]Bonn1997 wrote:

Maybe compared to Baron and Marbury, AI doesn’t dribble hard. But I guarantee you he’s dribbling more powerfully than any amateur player. Otherwise, it would get stolen from him often.

To prevent the ball from being stolen when you’re dribbling, you can do one of two things:
(a) dribble very low to the ground (and it takes a lot of forearm and triceps, and probably some shoulder, biceps, chest, and back strength to control the ball when it’s coming up quickly; or
(b) dribble higher but more more forcefully, which requires the same muscles. At the highest levels, they do both a and b. Obviously hand-eye coordination and general motor skills are crucial too, though. [/quote]

Seriously? this is your rationalisation?

I could thunder the ball up and down but I would lose it, not because I am not stronger than these guys but because I am not as good at dribbling a basketball.

It is a skill sport, it requires speed of thought, knowledge of the game, developed motor patterns, acceleration, hand speed, quick reactions.

Big weight room numbers do NOT make a good basketball player.

Take a good player and develop good weight room numbers and you will probably have a better player (provided you do not neglect the other aspects), but in the case of a basketball player it is one of the minor components.

How can you not get this?

This thread is retarded.

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[quote]Stuey wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:

Maybe compared to Baron and Marbury, AI doesn’t dribble hard. But I guarantee you he’s dribbling more powerfully than any amateur player. Otherwise, it would get stolen from him often.

To prevent the ball from being stolen when you’re dribbling, you can do one of two things:
(a) dribble very low to the ground (and it takes a lot of forearm and triceps, and probably some shoulder, biceps, chest, and back strength to control the ball when it’s coming up quickly; or
(b) dribble higher but more more forcefully, which requires the same muscles. At the highest levels, they do both a and b. Obviously hand-eye coordination and general motor skills are crucial too, though.

Seriously? this is your rationalisation?

I could thunder the ball up and down but I would lose it, not because I am not stronger than these guys but because I am not as good at dribbling a basketball.

It is a skill sport, it requires speed of thought, knowledge of the game, developed motor patterns, acceleration, hand speed, quick reactions.
[/quote]
I’ve already acknowledged all those things. You seem to think they and strength are mutually exclusive for some unfathomable reason. Finally, if a thread is retarded, what does that make you for posting in it? :slight_smile:

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[quote]Bonn1997 wrote:
Stuey wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:

Maybe compared to Baron and Marbury, AI doesn’t dribble hard. But I guarantee you he’s dribbling more powerfully than any amateur player. Otherwise, it would get stolen from him often.

To prevent the ball from being stolen when you’re dribbling, you can do one of two things:
(a) dribble very low to the ground (and it takes a lot of forearm and triceps, and probably some shoulder, biceps, chest, and back strength to control the ball when it’s coming up quickly; or
(b) dribble higher but more more forcefully, which requires the same muscles. At the highest levels, they do both a and b. Obviously hand-eye coordination and general motor skills are crucial too, though.

Seriously? this is your rationalisation?

I could thunder the ball up and down but I would lose it, not because I am not stronger than these guys but because I am not as good at dribbling a basketball.

It is a skill sport, it requires speed of thought, knowledge of the game, developed motor patterns, acceleration, hand speed, quick reactions.

I’ve already acknowledged all those things. You seem to think they and strength are mutually exclusive for some unfathomable reason. Finally, if a thread is retarded, what does that make you for posting in it? :slight_smile:
[/quote]

No, they arent mutually exclusive.

Being “strong” and being a good basketball player are not mutually exclusive.

Being “weak” and being a good basketball player are not mutually exclusive.

Providing being “strong” = being able to lay on your back and push a bar with a lot of weight into the air.

What is so hard to understand that being strong is not an absolute needed quality of a basketball player?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Stuey wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:

Maybe compared to Baron and Marbury, AI doesn’t dribble hard. But I guarantee you he’s dribbling more powerfully than any amateur player. Otherwise, it would get stolen from him often.

To prevent the ball from being stolen when you’re dribbling, you can do one of two things:
(a) dribble very low to the ground (and it takes a lot of forearm and triceps, and probably some shoulder, biceps, chest, and back strength to control the ball when it’s coming up quickly; or
(b) dribble higher but more more forcefully, which requires the same muscles. At the highest levels, they do both a and b. Obviously hand-eye coordination and general motor skills are crucial too, though.

Seriously? this is your rationalisation?

I could thunder the ball up and down but I would lose it, not because I am not stronger than these guys but because I am not as good at dribbling a basketball.

It is a skill sport, it requires speed of thought, knowledge of the game, developed motor patterns, acceleration, hand speed, quick reactions.

I’ve already acknowledged all those things. You seem to think they and strength are mutually exclusive for some unfathomable reason. Finally, if a thread is retarded, what does that make you for posting in it? :slight_smile:

No, they arent mutually exclusive.

Being “strong” and being a good basketball player are not mutually exclusive.

Being “weak” and being a good basketball player are not mutually exclusive.

Providing being “strong” = being able to lay on your back and push a bar with a lot of weight into the air.

What is so hard to understand that being strong is not an absolute needed quality of a basketball player?

[/quote]
It’s hard to understand because I thought so many aspects of the game required explosive strength.

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I’d just like to add that a basketball weighs about 22 ounces.

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[quote]Bonn1997 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Stuey wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:

Maybe compared to Baron and Marbury, AI doesn’t dribble hard. But I guarantee you he’s dribbling more powerfully than any amateur player. Otherwise, it would get stolen from him often.

To prevent the ball from being stolen when you’re dribbling, you can do one of two things:
(a) dribble very low to the ground (and it takes a lot of forearm and triceps, and probably some shoulder, biceps, chest, and back strength to control the ball when it’s coming up quickly; or
(b) dribble higher but more more forcefully, which requires the same muscles. At the highest levels, they do both a and b. Obviously hand-eye coordination and general motor skills are crucial too, though.

Seriously? this is your rationalisation?

I could thunder the ball up and down but I would lose it, not because I am not stronger than these guys but because I am not as good at dribbling a basketball.

It is a skill sport, it requires speed of thought, knowledge of the game, developed motor patterns, acceleration, hand speed, quick reactions.

I’ve already acknowledged all those things. You seem to think they and strength are mutually exclusive for some unfathomable reason. Finally, if a thread is retarded, what does that make you for posting in it? :slight_smile:

No, they arent mutually exclusive.

Being “strong” and being a good basketball player are not mutually exclusive.

Being “weak” and being a good basketball player are not mutually exclusive.

Providing being “strong” = being able to lay on your back and push a bar with a lot of weight into the air.

What is so hard to understand that being strong is not an absolute needed quality of a basketball player?

It’s hard to understand because I thought so many aspects of the game required explosive strength. [/quote]

Explosive leg strength, maybe.

Tell me when, during a basketball game, you would make a bench press motion applying 200lbs of force.