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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
vroom wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
After this stupid comment, nothing you ever say will matter.

Damn, you are one harsh grumpy bugger aren’t you. Does someone piss in your cheerios on a daily basis or what?

So the comment I criticized was not stupid? Please, defend the assertion that anyone who has trained seriously for 3 years would not have visceral fat.

You won’t, because you can’t.

Sometimes a person says something so stupid that you will forever question everything that person says. The comment was so such stupid that’s it would be hard - if not impossible - to take seriously anything else the poster says.

Saying stupid things has consequences. Once consequence is losing all of your credibility.

Think before you type…

Tiribulus wrote:
I think I said visceral fat of which I lost 8 inches in 6 months of serious training. I also said anything’s possible, meaning I was open to other information not being the very last word on every possible explanation.

Here is what you said: “Your profile says you’ve been training seriouisly for 3 years. Anything’s possible I suppose, but I have hard time believeing you would have much visceral fat at this point.”

When you say, “Anything is possible,” what you’re really saying is, “It’s extremely unlike that anything but my explanation is the correct one.” Do I really need to explain to you “Anything is possible” is used in ordinary discourse?

That someone has trained hard for three years tells us nothing regarding whether that person has visceral fat.[/quote]

I’m not sure what I did to deserve this much significance in your life or the corresponding attention, but I’m pretty sure it’s quite a bit more of both than anybody else here has accorded me and rightly so.

You seem to find it necessary to not merely charge me with an error, but one of such a monumental nature as to effectively render anything I’ve said or may say in the future as unworthy of consideration. This clearly demonstrates you have a problem with me personally which is indeed your problem.

I actually viewed your assertion about visceral fat as a valid consideration having personally dealt with that very issue myself. After seeing in his profile that he claims to have been training seriously for 3 years and knowing that my hard, very large mid section packed with visceral fat disappeared utterly in 6 months I simply expressed skepticism, even allowing for differences in individuals, that he would have “much” of his left after 3 years.

I stand by that statement, but remain open to additional information that may prove me wrong at which point I would happily say “I was wrong”. It was not an attack on you or in any way calculated to display your stupidity so that nobody would take “anything else you say” seriously. I don’t know what the explanation for what this guy is describing would be, I was merely offering a thought.

I’m not going to allow you to drag me to the level of name calling, but I’ll leave it to others to judge whether [quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:That someone has trained hard for three years tells us nothing regarding whether that person has visceral fat.[/quote] is a stupid statement or not.

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[quote]devilBASTARDdog wrote:
Squat or deadlift much?[/quote]

Going back to this question.

I’ve noticed my waist measurements going up (including my butt and thighs) with my increased sqauts/deadlifts even though my bodyfat’s going down.

Are you hinting that heavy leg lifting could cause you midriff to grow to accomodate the lifting? I have to wear 36/38" trousers to get my legs in. That and my BF is 14%ish these days. My chest’s 48" however. The funny thing is when I started I just wanted that 32" waist back!

Now I don’t care what the measurment is I just want to lift more! (Which is hard when I’m still trying to lose a pound of fat or so a week!)

(I say heavy I’m up to 355 x 6 on the squats and 265 on the deads I’m a total endo who can put on WAY easier than take off and don’t seem to suffer with overtraining although I only do 3 x pw full body workouts right now plus 3 sets of HIIT)

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[quote]craigspud101 wrote:
devilBASTARDdog wrote:
Squat or deadlift much?

Going back to this question.

I’ve noticed my waist measurements going up (including my butt and thighs) with my increased sqauts/deadlifts even though my bodyfat’s going down.

Are you hinting that heavy leg lifting could cause you midriff to grow to accomodate the lifting? I have to wear 36/38" trousers to get my legs in. That and my BF is 14%ish these days. My chest’s 48" however. The funny thing is when I started I just wanted that 32" waist back!

Now I don’t care what the measurment is I just want to lift more! (Which is hard when I’m still trying to lose a pound of fat or so a week!)

(I say heavy I’m up to 355 x 6 on the squats and 265 on the deads I’m a total endo who can put on WAY easier than take off and don’t seem to suffer with overtraining although I only do 3 x pw full body workouts right now plus 3 sets of HIIT)[/quote]

My dead and squat stats are the exact opposite of yours. 365 DL and about 275 on squat. My ass definately got bigger. Not good for me since I already had a big, round butt. I’m more interested in the “body building” aspect of training, not big numbers or bulk or sports performance.

It’s frustrating to spend so much time and effort in the gym to still have a gut that sticks out. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t look like most pregnant looking 36 year old males. Ab work doesn’t seem to do anything. Do vaccumes really work? Maybe I’ll try the colon-cleanser thing.

Thanks for all the responses, except the hyper-critical name calling that seems to accompany all posts.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
vroom wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
After this stupid comment, nothing you ever say will matter.

Damn, you are one harsh grumpy bugger aren’t you. Does someone piss in your cheerios on a daily basis or what?

So the comment I criticized was not stupid? Please, defend the assertion that anyone who has trained seriously for 3 years would not have visceral fat.

You won’t, because you can’t.

Sometimes a person says something so stupid that you will forever question everything that person says. The comment was so such stupid that’s it would be hard - if not impossible - to take seriously anything else the poster says.

Saying stupid things has consequences. Once consequence is losing all of your credibility.

Think before you type.[/quote]

So once again CalLaw is trying to rip someone a new asshole because that’s what he gets him off.

CalLaw offered a suggestion, Tirib disagreed, and now CalLaw goes into his typical 5 year old temper tantrum argument as usual.

I’m sure you read an article or a post somewhere that mentioned visceral fat causes a hard protruding belly, and now if anyone mentions it that must be what it is, no other possiblities could be correct.

We haven’t seen a picture of the OP’s belly. He said himself:

“Despite a low bodyfat, regular exercise, cardio, ab work, clean diet…it seems like my waist is expaning. More specifically, my belly is starting to stick out. I have visible abs, but my stomach is not flat unless it’s flexed. Relaxed I look like I have a small beer gut.”

He’s a marine with 12% bodyfat, who has exercised regularly for the past 3 years with a clean diet.

There does seem to be enough evidence to support someone questioning whether or not he has a significant amount of visceral fat.

From what I’ve read, Tirib seems to put a lot of thought into his posts. If you will never take anything he says seriously again, then you will be missing out on some good information.

Just because you may or may not agree with his post, you are a fool to think that his views are now worthless.

Take your head out of your ass, and open your mind to other possibilities. It’s not a bad way to learn stuff. Unless, that is, you think you already know it all…

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To the OP:
I apologize and promise you that if left to me this wouldn’t have happened. I’m far from perfect and have plenty left to learn, but I do try to be thoughtful and helpful and I couldn’t find it within myself to allow this petty attack on my intelligence to stand unanswered. I tend believe that your issue here is not an irreversible symptom of your age and that you will find an answer, but, people being as different as they are I could be wrong about too.

[quote]Modi wrote:
He’s a marine with 12% bodyfat, who has exercised regularly for the past 3 years with a clean diet.

There does seem to be enough evidence to support someone questioning whether or not he has a significant amount of visceral fat.
[/quote]

That was all there was to it man. I meant nothing else by it.

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[quote]PGJ wrote:
devilBASTARDdog wrote:
Squat or deadlift much?

I was but stopped because of some knee pain. The pain is going away so I’m thinking of starting them again.

[/quote]

What kind of knee pain?

I ask because my knees had been killing me AFTER squatting, leg pressing, etc.

Started wrapping my knees for anything heavy and it really did work like a charm. You just have to be extra careful not to use the wraps as a source of bounce.

As for deadlifts…have you tried rack pulls? Pretty much takes the knees out of the equation. (As much as you can take knees out of the equation while standing up holding a few hundred pounds, anyway…)

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Do you have anterior pelvic tilt at all? That can make your belly seem like it’s protruding out.

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[quote]t-ha wrote:
Do you have anterior pelvic tilt at all? That can make your belly seem like it’s protruding out. [/quote]

That’s what popped into my mind as well. Quite possibly a posture issue from heavy squats and deads.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
vroom wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
After this stupid comment, nothing you ever say will matter.

Damn, you are one harsh grumpy bugger aren’t you. Does someone piss in your cheerios on a daily basis or what?

So the comment I criticized was not stupid? Please, defend the assertion that anyone who has trained seriously for 3 years would not have visceral fat.

You won’t, because you can’t.

Sometimes a person says something so stupid that you will forever question everything that person says. The comment was so such stupid that’s it would be hard - if not impossible - to take seriously anything else the poster says.

Saying stupid things has consequences. Once consequence is losing all of your credibility.

Think before you type.[/quote]

Yeah, and I’m going to give you a 2/10 for your grammar. Must try harder.

Being a smart-ass is fine, as long as you actually are smart.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
To the OP:
I apologize and promise you that if left to me this wouldn’t have happened. I’m far from perfect and have plenty left to learn, but I do try to be thoughtful and helpful and I couldn’t find it within myself to allow this petty attack on my intelligence to stand unanswered. I tend believe that your issue here is not an irreversible symptom of your age and that you will find an answer, but, people being as different as they are I could be wrong about too.

Modi wrote:
He’s a marine with 12% bodyfat, who has exercised regularly for the past 3 years with a clean diet.

There does seem to be enough evidence to support someone questioning whether or not he has a significant amount of visceral fat.

That was all there was to it man. I meant nothing else by it.
[/quote]

No apology necessary. I’ve been around here long enough to know how it works some times.

One thing I think we all need to realize is that NOTHING is always right or always wrong in the pursuit of fitness and strength. I am always opened for new ideas and suggestions (unless it involves using a swiss ball).

I did consideder the visceral fat thing, but my diet is super clean. I have dropped 60 points off of my cholesterol level in the last 2 years and I still maintain around a 12-14% BF level. My weight hasn’t changed much (I’ve fluxuated plus or minus 10lbs with a bulking/cutting cycle, but always around 180lbs). I’m not ready to play the old-age card yet and just let myself go like all the other “older” guys I know. Just got to get my belly tucked back in.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
devilBASTARDdog wrote:
Squat or deadlift much?

I was but stopped because of some knee pain. The pain is going away so I’m thinking of starting them again.

What kind of knee pain?

I ask because my knees had been killing me AFTER squatting, leg pressing, etc.

Started wrapping my knees for anything heavy and it really did work like a charm. You just have to be extra careful not to use the wraps as a source of bounce.

As for deadlifts…have you tried rack pulls? Pretty much takes the knees out of the equation. (As much as you can take knees out of the equation while standing up holding a few hundred pounds, anyway…)
[/quote]

It was like DOMS, right above the knee caps but not in a muscle. It only hurt when I bent down like to pick something off the floor but it was all the time. It wasn’t a sharp pain like tendonitis. It wasn’t noticeable unless I squatted down. I think it may have been the Bulgarian Split Squats. That shit put a lot of pressure on my knees. Great exercise, but I think it was the cause of the pain.

Unfortunately, my gym doesn’t have a rack. I might just go back to light-weight squats for high reps (15–20) instead of heavy singles. I’ve done that with bench and realy like it. Had some shoulder issues. Getting old sucks.

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This sounds like it could be posture related.

Look at these:

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=990092

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459379

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459227

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[quote]craigspud101 wrote:
devilBASTARDdog wrote:
Squat or deadlift much?

Going back to this question.

I’ve noticed my waist measurements going up (including my butt and thighs) with my increased sqauts/deadlifts even though my bodyfat’s going down.

Are you hinting that heavy leg lifting could cause you midriff to grow to accomodate the lifting? I have to wear 36/38" trousers to get my legs in. That and my BF is 14%ish these days. My chest’s 48" however. The funny thing is when I started I just wanted that 32" waist back!

Now I don’t care what the measurment is I just want to lift more! (Which is hard when I’m still trying to lose a pound of fat or so a week!)

(I say heavy I’m up to 355 x 6 on the squats and 265 on the deads I’m a total endo who can put on WAY easier than take off and don’t seem to suffer with overtraining although I only do 3 x pw full body workouts right now plus 3 sets of HIIT)[/quote]

Yeah, I noticed that when I started training like a “powerlifter” my “gut” got bigger. I mean I still have hard abs, but my stomach sticks out. I know my abs, obliques, and erectors have grown from the squats, deadlifts, and recently, the Yoke Walks.

This in of itself shouldn’t be too much of a problem, but I also ate really shitty for a while and put on some fat so I look worse than I really am. Trying to correct this for the college girls…

So that could be your problem (not sure what the fix is except suck it in?). Either that or you’re stopped up from MRE’s…In which case you know what to do.

Good luck!

Semper Fi,
DD

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Is this the simple case of doing ab work to the point, where the layer of fat over your abs sticks out? Is this also a case of incorrectly counting your body fat?

I ask the last question because I see folks throwing out body fat numbers like folks throw out how much they can bench numbers. I see pictures of guys with guts claiming they are in the low teens when they are probably closer to twenty.

Can we just say that doing excessive ab work will make your body fat around your waist look worse? Can we also say that if you cannot see at least a four pack, then you are over 10%?

I am just trying to come up with some rules of thumb since body fat numbers are rarely calculated correctly anyway. There are folks here that can do a far better job than I at this, so please correct my mis-understandings. I am here to learn like everyone else.

tweak

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[quote]devilBASTARDdog wrote:
craigspud101 wrote:
devilBASTARDdog wrote:
Squat or deadlift much?

Going back to this question.

I’ve noticed my waist measurements going up (including my butt and thighs) with my increased sqauts/deadlifts even though my bodyfat’s going down.

Are you hinting that heavy leg lifting could cause you midriff to grow to accomodate the lifting? I have to wear 36/38" trousers to get my legs in. That and my BF is 14%ish these days. My chest’s 48" however. The funny thing is when I started I just wanted that 32" waist back!

Now I don’t care what the measurment is I just want to lift more! (Which is hard when I’m still trying to lose a pound of fat or so a week!)

(I say heavy I’m up to 355 x 6 on the squats and 265 on the deads I’m a total endo who can put on WAY easier than take off and don’t seem to suffer with overtraining although I only do 3 x pw full body workouts right now plus 3 sets of HIIT)

Yeah, I noticed that when I started training like a “powerlifter” my “gut” got bigger. I mean I still have hard abs, but my stomach sticks out. I know my abs, obliques, and erectors have grown from the squats, deadlifts, and recently, the Yoke Walks.

This in of itself shouldn’t be too much of a problem, but I also ate really shitty for a while and put on some fat so I look worse than I really am. Trying to correct this for the college girls…

So that could be your problem (not sure what the fix is except suck it in?). Either that or you’re stopped up from MRE’s…In which case you know what to do.

Good luck!

Semper Fi,
DD [/quote]

Fortunately, I haven’t had to eat an MRE for a while. Nothing worse than having to give birth to a 3-day old MRE shit in the field.

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[quote]tweaker wrote:
Is this the simple case of doing ab work to the point, where the layer of fat over your abs sticks out? Is this also a case of incorrectly counting your body fat?

I ask the last question because I see folks throwing out body fat numbers like folks throw out how much they can bench numbers. I see pictures of guys with guts claiming they are in the low teens when they are probably closer to twenty.

Can we just say that doing excessive ab work will make your body fat around your waist look worse? Can we also say that if you cannot see at least a four pack, then you are over 10%?

I am just trying to come up with some rules of thumb since body fat numbers are rarely calculated correctly anyway. There are folks here that can do a far better job than I at this, so please correct my mis-understandings. I am here to learn like everyone else.

tweak

[/quote]

It’s definately not fat. I’m trying to figure out how to pull the muscle back in. I have the classic 4-pack (low abs there but not really visible). It’s almost like the GH gut.

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[quote]PGJ wrote:

It’s definately not fat. I’m trying to figure out how to pull the muscle back in. I have the classic 4-pack (low abs there but not really visible). It’s almost like the GH gut.

[/quote]

Can you post a pic? At best we all guessing now.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Saying stupid things has consequences. Once consequence is losing all of your credibility.

Think before you type.[/quote]

You might want to consider your own words given the fact that most of your posts seem overly critical and negative in general…

I wasn’t commenting simply because of a single post of yours.

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[quote]PGJ wrote:

It’s definately not fat. I’m trying to figure out how to pull the muscle back in. I have the classic 4-pack (low abs there but not really visible). It’s almost like the GH gut.

[/quote]

I don’t know if this will help you, but it helped me out a bunch. My abs would look all distended and protruding-like.

I bought a bottle of colon blow, or something like that - and cleaned out my gut. Then I got on a regular proutine of taking a laxative, and now my gut is not as protruding.

As for the knee issues - I got on the glucosamine, and was finally able to squat for the first time in over a year and a half.