[quote]Jerkwad wrote:
How the hell did you draw this “1/3 casein” conclusion? How do you figure this, as opposed to 20%? 40%? Pick any percent…I’ve got a hundred of 'em…oh, and considering the lack of sentences on the part of the label you’ve quoted, I think we can rule out grammar as a source of confusion.
To the OP, EvoPro isn’t the closest substitute. Look harder.[/quote]
really, then look at the plural and singular forms, it is either inconsistent grammar or tricky wording, either way, poor, but not the issue at hand. lest you think i pulled the numbers out of thin air, allow me to explain.
due to the cost of micellar casein vs the other components, one can be assured that, though it is first on the label, there will not be significantly more than required to place it first. now, it could be as low as 20%, but i doubt it is higher than 35% (i am not going to do the cost regression analysis, but i have priced manufacturing of protein powder so i am not spewing crap). also, i don’t think they near the lower end of that range.
unless you think that cytosport is giving their customer significantly more micellar casein at much lower cost and possibly negative profit on their by far top selling product, then a rough figure of a third is fair based on the ingredient list. the glutamine is around 2g or so, most of both evopro and muscle milk is the evopro protein mix, but as i contend, and the labels clearly indicate, they are not the same protein mix.
the claim i made that the evopro is around half casein or better is based on fact that once again around the same proportion of the protein is milk proteins, but, in this case, it is just micellar casein, whey isolate (note the singular form - indeed a grammar issue - versus the concentrates and isolates from a company otherwise reasonable with labelling), and milk protein isolate (80% casein, 20% whey isolate). now at the most the whey isolate is 50%, the micellar casein 50% and the MPI is 0. there are around 2g of glutamine though, so there must be more than that of MPI (based on labelling laws, we are assuming full compliance), so from the 20g roughly total that these 3 proteins make up, 9g,8g, and 3g, are the lowest casein numbers possible due to the fact that as the whey decreases, the MPI increases which is 80% casein.
now the least micellar casein they can get away with is 6-7g and this would mean around 6g of MPI and thus another 4g of casein to make 11g casein out of around 20g of the total milk protein, the rest is the glutamine peptides, glutamine, colostrum and taurine. so that is short version of the numbers.
if one wants a muscle milk alternative, Metabolic Drive Complete, xtreme formulations ultra peptide 2.0, SAN Infusion, and if you want a cheap lower casein alternative with a better fat profile, look at nutrabolics isobolic. For Low Carb Metabolic Drive, sell a kidney if you have to, you only need one that’s how good it is. i jest, xtreme formulations ultrapeptide was the best non-MD, but not quite as smooth, taste good, does not mix as well with macadamia oil, more expensive.