EvoPro vs. Metabolic Drive?

Hey everyone,

For the record I am a major fan of Biotest and this site. I order regularly, once a month to get the free shipping deal. I use the low carb Metabolic Drive religiously. I ran out early…that’s another story. I need something in the meantime to fill the gap.

The closest thing I can find in comparison is the EvoPro by Cytosport. It’s not the fat filled Muscle Milk crap…it acutally compares fairly close to the Metabolic Drive.

Any thoughts from the experts here?

Naturally I will continue with the Metabolic Drive when I place my next order…just nice to have something to fill the gap that I can get locally when the need should arise.

T

What no response? That’s odd considering all the resident expertise here at T-Nation.

Doesn’t anyone have something to offer on this topic?

TKC

I had the same thing happen and used the EvoPro based on a suggestion from Berardi’s’ site. To me the difference was in the taste and consistency. It didn’t hurt me or affect my goals in any way so use it while you wait for Biotest order.

Matt

[quote]tkclary wrote:
Hey everyone,

For the record I am a major fan of Biotest and this site. I order regularly, once a month to get the free shipping deal. I use the low carb Metabolic Drive religiously. I ran out early…that’s another story. I need something in the meantime to fill the gap.

The closest thing I can find in comparison is the EvoPro by Cytosport. It’s not the fat filled Muscle Milk crap…it acutally compares fairly close to the Metabolic Drive.

Any thoughts from the experts here?

Naturally I will continue with the Metabolic Drive when I place my next order…just nice to have something to fill the gap that I can get locally when the need should arise.

T[/quote]

I have not tried the EvoPro, but I am currently drinking Muscle Milk. Why does MM get such a bad rap on this site? It is has been a welcomed change from all the Metabolic Drive I have been drinking in the past 6 months. I think it is good to change it up every once in a while.

[quote]Joebob wrote:

I have not tried the EvoPro, but I am currently drinking Muscle Milk. Why does MM get such a bad rap on this site? It is has been a welcomed change from all the Metabolic Drive I have been drinking in the past 6 months. I think it is good to change it up every once in a while. [/quote]

I think this is why MM gets a bad rap

http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1231523

^^ WRONG.

They took that ingredient out of Muscle Milk over a year ago

ANNNNDD

Muscle Milk has been reformulated now also
12g fat
16g carbs (5g fiber)
32g protein (casein, whey)

MM is a solid meal replacement, I have no idea why it gets bad rep now a days, but whatever.

[quote]friedrice683 wrote:
^^ WRONG.

They took that ingredient out of Muscle Milk over a year ago

ANNNNDD

Muscle Milk has been reformulated now also
12g fat
16g carbs (5g fiber)
32g protein (casein, whey)

MM is a solid meal replacement, I have no idea why it gets bad rep now a days, but whatever. [/quote]

Well now I know. thank you

[quote]friedrice683 wrote:
^^ WRONG.

They took that ingredient out of Muscle Milk over a year ago

ANNNNDD

Muscle Milk has been reformulated now also
12g fat
16g carbs (5g fiber)
32g protein (casein, whey)

MM is a solid meal replacement, I have no idea why it gets bad rep now a days, but whatever. [/quote]

Unfortunately, it’s still loaded with canola oil misrepresented as a “lean lipid.” It’s a bunch of marketing crap.

that is part of the story.

a closer inspection of the protein content is required. here is the two labels since reformulation:

EvoPro in MM(Micellar Alpha And Beta Caseins And Caseinates, Whey Concentrates, Whey Isolates, Whey Peptides, L-Glutamine, Taurine, Lactoferrin)

EvoPro in EvoPro(Micellar Alpha And Beta Caseins And Caseinates, Whey Protein Isolate, Milk Protein Isolate, L-Glutamine, Glutamine Peptides, Colostrum Extract, Taurine)

now while they look the same, closer inspection will show that they are not.

first, note how the MM one has whey concentrates and whey isolates, possibly indicating more than one of each vs. whey isolate alone for EvoPro. even if this was just poor grammar on their part, it still means that MM is at most around 1/3 casein, whereas the EvoPro is more than half.

this is not to say that MM is a poor product, rather, it is not the super one it is claimed to be. the protein quality of EvoPro is superior and roughly equivalent to Low-Carb Metabolic Drive.

Further, the Glycocyamine hasn’t been taken out in all countries. It’s still floating around in tubs in Australia from what I have seen. Though, it’s in a whole lot of stuff nowadays - last time I checked it was in pre-workout stuff like NO-Xplode as well - yet another reason not to use it.

[quote]ubl0 wrote:
that is part of the story.

a closer inspection of the protein content is required. here is the two labels since reformulation:

EvoPro in MM(Micellar Alpha And Beta Caseins And Caseinates, Whey Concentrates, Whey Isolates, Whey Peptides, L-Glutamine, Taurine, Lactoferrin)

EvoPro in EvoPro(Micellar Alpha And Beta Caseins And Caseinates, Whey Protein Isolate, Milk Protein Isolate, L-Glutamine, Glutamine Peptides, Colostrum Extract, Taurine)

now while they look the same, closer inspection will show that they are not.

first, note how the MM one has whey concentrates and whey isolates, possibly indicating more than one of each vs. whey isolate alone for EvoPro. even if this was just poor grammar on their part, it still means that MM is at most around 1/3 casein, whereas the EvoPro is more than half.

this is not to say that MM is a poor product, rather, it is not the super one it is claimed to be. the protein quality of EvoPro is superior and roughly equivalent to Low-Carb Metabolic Drive.[/quote]

How the hell did you draw this “1/3 casein” conclusion? How do you figure this, as opposed to 20%? 40%? Pick any percent…I’ve got a hundred of 'em…oh, and considering the lack of sentences on the part of the label you’ve quoted, I think we can rule out grammar as a source of confusion.

To the OP, EvoPro isn’t the closest substitute. Look harder.

[quote]Jerkwad wrote:
ubl0 wrote:
that is part of the story.

To the OP, EvoPro isn’t the closest substitute. Look harder.[/quote]

OK.
Well that’s why I posted this in the first place. Can anyone out there tell me what a good substitute would be for low carb Metabolic Drive? I will place my monthly order with Biotest at the end of the month and I will re-up on Metabolic Drive at that time. Until then I need a good substitute that I can purchase at the local Vitamin store.

And I agree…Muscle Milk is way too much fat. You’d be better off with a bowel of Ice Cream.

TKC

Dorian Yate Pro peptide. He has a couple different versions out there, but there is one with pretty low carbs and fat. It tastes good, has good proteins, what more could you ask for. I buy it at a store for 60 bucks for a 5 lb bag.

Just eat some more food until your Metabolic Drive gets here.

a chicken breast has 40g protein and little fat and carbs too.

[quote]tkclary wrote:
Jerkwad wrote:
ubl0 wrote:

And I agree…Muscle Milk is way too much fat. You’d be better off with a bowel of Ice Cream.

TKC[/quote]

Ice Cream??? Man I am not trying to flame, but you guys can’t be serious. The article Barr wrote a while back… How much Glycocyamine do you think it would take to cause a negative effect? I haven’t reread the article, but I doubt it states the amount.

Too much fat? Do you guys not drink milk? Last time I checked milk had fat in it. Bottom line… Muscle Milk taste good and is a good high kcal shake for those who are trying to gain size and strength. Now I am going to go and drink some MM mixed with milk.

[quote]Joebob wrote:
tkclary wrote:
Jerkwad wrote:
ubl0 wrote:

And I agree…Muscle Milk is way too much fat. You’d be better off with a bowel of Ice Cream.

TKC

Ice Cream??? Man I am not trying to flame, but you guys can’t be serious. The article Barr wrote a while back… How much Glycocyamine do you think it would take to cause a negative effect? I haven’t reread the article, but I doubt it states the amount.

Too much fat? Do you guys not drink milk? Last time I checked milk had fat in it. Bottom line… Muscle Milk taste good and is a good high kcal shake for those who are trying to gain size and strength. Now I am going to go and drink some MM mixed with milk.[/quote]

I agree, its ridiculous… I’ve done some Muscle Milk bashing on this site before and am now ashamed realizing how stupid I was.

Yeah Muscle Milk is a nice product with a ton of flavor choices. But I do prefer Metabolic Drive Complete and its high-quality ingredients.

And I also think that people should be training harder if they’re scared of MRP’s with higher kcals.

[quote]Jerkwad wrote:
How the hell did you draw this “1/3 casein” conclusion? How do you figure this, as opposed to 20%? 40%? Pick any percent…I’ve got a hundred of 'em…oh, and considering the lack of sentences on the part of the label you’ve quoted, I think we can rule out grammar as a source of confusion.

To the OP, EvoPro isn’t the closest substitute. Look harder.[/quote]

really, then look at the plural and singular forms, it is either inconsistent grammar or tricky wording, either way, poor, but not the issue at hand. lest you think i pulled the numbers out of thin air, allow me to explain.

due to the cost of micellar casein vs the other components, one can be assured that, though it is first on the label, there will not be significantly more than required to place it first. now, it could be as low as 20%, but i doubt it is higher than 35% (i am not going to do the cost regression analysis, but i have priced manufacturing of protein powder so i am not spewing crap). also, i don’t think they near the lower end of that range.

unless you think that cytosport is giving their customer significantly more micellar casein at much lower cost and possibly negative profit on their by far top selling product, then a rough figure of a third is fair based on the ingredient list. the glutamine is around 2g or so, most of both evopro and muscle milk is the evopro protein mix, but as i contend, and the labels clearly indicate, they are not the same protein mix.

the claim i made that the evopro is around half casein or better is based on fact that once again around the same proportion of the protein is milk proteins, but, in this case, it is just micellar casein, whey isolate (note the singular form - indeed a grammar issue - versus the concentrates and isolates from a company otherwise reasonable with labelling), and milk protein isolate (80% casein, 20% whey isolate). now at the most the whey isolate is 50%, the micellar casein 50% and the MPI is 0. there are around 2g of glutamine though, so there must be more than that of MPI (based on labelling laws, we are assuming full compliance), so from the 20g roughly total that these 3 proteins make up, 9g,8g, and 3g, are the lowest casein numbers possible due to the fact that as the whey decreases, the MPI increases which is 80% casein.

now the least micellar casein they can get away with is 6-7g and this would mean around 6g of MPI and thus another 4g of casein to make 11g casein out of around 20g of the total milk protein, the rest is the glutamine peptides, glutamine, colostrum and taurine. so that is short version of the numbers.

if one wants a muscle milk alternative, Metabolic Drive Complete, xtreme formulations ultra peptide 2.0, SAN Infusion, and if you want a cheap lower casein alternative with a better fat profile, look at nutrabolics isobolic. For Low Carb Metabolic Drive, sell a kidney if you have to, you only need one that’s how good it is. i jest, xtreme formulations ultrapeptide was the best non-MD, but not quite as smooth, taste good, does not mix as well with macadamia oil, more expensive.

that’s not me with the ice cream, i swear! come on guys, erase the quotes…

i’d like to say that i am not bashing muscle milk, that was my straight up analysis. 10 years ago it would have been light years ahead.

since it looked like i recommended ice cream (inline with my fat kid ice cream eating championship, but no one knows that), i will indeed do so.

Chocolate Peanut Butter Raspberry Frozen Yogurt

1-1.5 cups plain yogurt
1-2 scoops Metabolic Drive
Peanut Butter varies (how many kcal you looking for?)
1-2 Tbsp flax meal
100-200g frozen raspberries

sometimes i skip the PB and put macadamia oil in or blueberries for the fruit. mango is interesting with vanilla protein and banana goes with any protein. so off topic…