[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
still waiting oortes[/quote]
Who?
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Marriage was designed by God, one man and one woman, for life, as an earthly illustration of the covenant relationship of Christ with His church bride. He GAVE Himself in a gruesome bloody death to redeem His people, his bride, from death themselves. He commands husbands to love their wives this way. (see the 5th chapter of the apostle Paul’s letter to the church at Ephesus) No matter what else may happen, children are equipped for life by watching their fathers love their mothers. Of course, we won’t do that on our own. How well I know, having learned this lesson the very hard way by almost destroying the wife of my youth with my own self serving childishness. Even after I should have known better.
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I just want to say that marriage was not in the least bit designed by God. Holy Matrimony was, not marriage. Marriage began way before organized religions were ever established. I don’t want to start a religious argument, but telling the OP to stick with marriage and promote fake love because God said so is not the ideal argument in this situation. Your first paragraph was much more convincing and had some good points.
Also, on the depression topic; loss of appetite is much more common for depression sufferers than overeating. Although overeating is still present in some cases, the logical choice would be to assume that she is not clinically depressed. I know that statistics mean very little for an individual, but you need some way to make an informed choice. She, most likely, is just the person who makes herself feel better by eating food.
By the way, as a child of parents going through an unhappy marriage full of resentment, I can tell you that sticking together “for the kids” is not a good idea. At all.
[quote]Anonymity wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
And ill never understand the “im depressed, im gonna stuff my face with candy and cake, that’ll show me” attitude. How is depression a valid excuse for eating like shit? when im upset, the last thing i think is “i bet a fuckin bag of fun size snickers is what i need right now.”
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I don’t mean this to be rude, but rather informative…
It’s because you don’t understand depression.
Depression can take over and run your life, and it’s not as simple as just “snapping out of it”.
Part of the reason it is so stigmatized is because people think it just akin to being upset or sad, and it can be conquered easily with a small amount of willpower.
Being upset should never be confused with depression.
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Yes. Exactly.
Part of the reason I spend so much time in threads where people are asking for help changing a behavior or freeing themselves from an addiction is because there will always be the crowd of posters who are wholly unqualified to give advice but just can’t help themselves from doing so. If it were so simple as to just buck up and use will power, we would hardly ever hear about these problems in the first place.
As if all that self-hatred, the absolute, dismal hopelessness, the constant misery and round-the-clock negative self-awareness, reinforced at every turn by a media and culture that celebrates, youth, beauty, health and thinness, were all not enough to motivate people to, like, you know, just stop eating all that ice cream.
I knew a girl in high school that was on the extreme end of the obese scale, like little scooter obese, that lost a ton of weight down to like 190. When she got there she was extremely self conscious of all the extra skin and felt like she would never really look the way she had in her head. It totally broke her and she gave up and fell right back into the same habits.
And to be perfectly honest, Mr. Walkaway, if every time you have a few bad days you decide to up your aas then that could be a sign of some pretty severe insecurities that you need to be working on moreso than your tan or your abs.
[quote]ukrainian wrote:
Also, on the depression topic; loss of appetite is much more common for depression sufferers than overeating. Although overeating is still present in some cases, the logical choice would be to assume that she is not clinically depressed. I know that statistics mean very little for an individual, but you need some way to make an informed choice. She, most likely, is just the person who makes herself feel better by eating food.
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I would lean more towards an eating disorder even though I was probably the one that brought up depression. Like I’ve said all alone we need more info from the absent OP.
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By the way, as a child of parents going through an unhappy marriage full of resentment, I can tell you that sticking together “for the kids” is not a good idea. At all.[/quote]
Agree 100% with this.
[quote]ukrainian wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Marriage was designed by God, one man and one woman, for life, as an earthly illustration of the covenant relationship of Christ with His church bride. He GAVE Himself in a gruesome bloody death to redeem His people, his bride, from death themselves. He commands husbands to love their wives this way. (see the 5th chapter of the apostle Paul’s letter to the church at Ephesus) No matter what else may happen, children are equipped for life by watching their fathers love their mothers. Of course, we won’t do that on our own. How well I know, having learned this lesson the very hard way by almost destroying the wife of my youth with my own self serving childishness. Even after I should have known better.
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I just want to say that marriage was not in the least bit designed by God. Holy Matrimony was, not marriage. Marriage began way before organized religions were ever established. I don’t want to start a religious argument, but telling the OP to stick with marriage and promote fake love because God said so is not the ideal argument in this situation. Your first paragraph was much more convincing and had some good points.
Also, on the depression topic; loss of appetite is much more common for depression sufferers than overeating. Although overeating is still present in some cases, the logical choice would be to assume that she is not clinically depressed. I know that statistics mean very little for an individual, but you need some way to make an informed choice. She, most likely, is just the person who makes herself feel better by eating food.
By the way, as a child of parents going through an unhappy marriage full of resentment, I can tell you that sticking together “for the kids” is not a good idea. At all.[/quote]
Good post.
Problem is we are not left with answers to some basic questions in this case. Like I posted way early on if there are medical conditions that have been ruled out, one being depression.
Plus we wait to hear if OP owns up to any faults of his own.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
still waiting oortes[/quote]
Who?[/quote]
Cortes*
yeah he talked mad shit and hasn’t explained himself yet… don’t think he actually will tho
I think the OP got rolled up in the green thong. 
And I personally doubt it is clinical depression that she is suffering from. I figure it is mostly a case of just being unhappy and as such just a complete lack of give-a-shit and that would require a complete lifestyle change. And if her husband is still there dragging her down then that makes that lifestyle change much more difficult.
Not saying it cant be done, just that it is much more of an undertaking to change your diet when it has been engrained in you and there are so many other things going on that make you just as unhappy with your life.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
still waiting oortes[/quote]
Who?[/quote]
Cortes*
yeah he talked mad shit and hasn’t explained himself yet… don’t think he actually will tho[/quote]
Dont worry I know him and he will, he is just working through the thread.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
I read a guy’s story where he through out all the shit food in the house, and she started going to down on doughnut stores. [/quote]
Do you have any personal experiences with this. Please don’t freak out like Yolo. I ask because perspective matters. [/quote]
ill let you be the judge:
-my ex girlfriend
when we started dating, she was 5’3 140lbs (almost triple D’s contributed a lot to her weight). We broke up 2 years later, but stayed friends. 2 years later she started ballooning up (155lbs at 5’3) and came to me for advice. I told her to clean up her diet and start walking on her treadmill.
Her response? “Im just going to eat whatever I want and work out more to compensate.” No matter how many times I told her it would fail… she didn’t believe me (lol). She’s about 180lbs at the moment (still 5’3)
-my mom
after she quit her full time job, she started putting on weight (I guess there goes the argument of working more makes u fat). she was about 5’1 170.
I started throwing away food in our refrigerator because im the man in my house (jk but serious).
She and my dad regularly have “get-togethers” with members of their church to eat and socialize. Of course, all the men were in decent shape, and their wive’s were ham planets (disturbing).
the fat wives brought all kinds of treats which my mom FUCKING DOVE ON. She would eat it and smile at me… as if she was “sticking it to me”.
as time went by, her mood REALLY began to tank. my brother and I convinced her that her fat-fuckness was what was causing it… and my brother and I both saw a look in her eyes that we had never seen before… it was like she was “waking up”. Now she has been eating right, working out, lost a shit ton of weight… and is really happy with herself and with life
and my parents marriage is as strong as ever 28 years and counting[/quote]
Also maybe work did keep your mom slim, it does the opposite for many. I’ve worked aroudn A LOT of very fat women in an office setting.
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look in the drawers of their desks… post back with your sugary findings[/quote]
You’d be suprised at how many overweight women eat clean when in public only to gorge themselves at home.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
The OP can not control his wife’s behavior. He can’t make her diet, can’t make her make better food choices, and can’t make her more physically active. In fact, she may very well resent any attempts to do so as controlling. Which they are.
“Honey, I love you very much but because of the weight you’ve put on since we first met, I’m not as sexually attracted to you as I was at first. I’d really love for us to get back to that point, and if you feel the same way, what can I do to support you?”
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It seems like if anything she would just get defensive and attack his manhood.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
ME ME ME ME ME ME ME.
There’s a desperate hurting women over there who probably hates to open her eyes in the morning and all anybody (just about) cares about is whether this guy is happy. Yeah, she’s probably angry and nasty and impossible to get along with on top of being obese too. That’s how hurting people are. None of that is the point. Marriage (on the human level), including sex, is ALL about GIVING every bit of yourself on every level and in every way to another and ESPECIALLY when they least deserve it and are most difficult to live with. That’s when they need you most.
Marriage was designed by God, one man and one woman, for life, as an earthly illustration of the covenant relationship of Christ with His church bride. He GAVE Himself in a gruesome bloody death to redeem His people, his bride, from death themselves. He commands husbands to love their wives this way. (see the 5th chapter of the apostle Paul’s letter to the church at Ephesus) No matter what else may happen, children are equipped for life by watching their fathers love their mothers. Of course, we won’t do that on our own. How well I know, having learned this lesson the very hard way by almost destroying the wife of my youth with my own self serving childishness. Even after I should have known better.
Nevermind. Whatever on earth could I have been thinking? This guy needs to get laid and save money. Carry on.[/quote]
I’ve been reading a lot of your posts, and as a Christian brother I gotta say… what you write sounds WAY too preachy for my tastes…
anyways OP, for your wife…
2iu Keifei somatropin AM (before 30 minutes fasted walk) and 2iu PM (on empty stomach)
50-75mcg t3 ED
12mg test E Monday/Thursday
low dose DNP for 6 weeks
if that doesn’t work, time for a divorce
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Get the fuck out of here with your idiotic, ill informed, potentially dangerous advice.
Seriously.
Get. The fuck. Out.
Because this is not the steroid forum does not mean that you can safely peddle imbecilic bro-knowledge with impunity.
There’s so much wrong with this post I would think you were a troll if this was the steroid forum.
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with all those mean words, you have to elaborate.
what’s wrong with my protocol?[/quote]
Oh my God.
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You are suggesting personal hormone manipulation for someone who cannot even control her diet, that would almost certainly be administered by someone who has no idea what they are doing.
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You suggest T3 without knowing ANYTHING about her medical or personal history.
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You suggest testosterone for a FEMALE. I get that it’s a low dose. Still terrible advice, see point one above.
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On top of that, with the extremely high danger of virilization for a woman taking test, you suggests a two day a week dosage schedule, when the goal should be to keep hormone levels in women as flat and stable as a tabletop.
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DNP? Really? Seriously? DNP?
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There is no suggestion at ALL to maybe find out a way to diet and exercise BEFORE dumping an oil drum full of drugs into her unhealthy, untrained body, most of which would almost certainly have to be acquired from sources whose products cannot be verified as safe, correctly dosed, sanitary, or even real.
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DNP? You have to be fucking kidding me. Seriously.
I can go on, if you’d like.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
still waiting oortes[/quote]
Who?[/quote]
Cortes*
yeah he talked mad shit and hasn’t explained himself yet… don’t think he actually will tho[/quote]
Well we can add that to the growing list of things you are completely wrong about.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
still waiting oortes[/quote]
Who?[/quote]
Cortes*
yeah he talked mad shit and hasn’t explained himself yet… don’t think he actually will tho[/quote]
Dont worry I know him and he will, he is just working through the thread. [/quote]
Thanks Derek. Completely correct.
BUhaahaha this thread is fucking gold
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
oh fuck off with this shit
she is 300 fucking pounds! at 5’11!
it isn’t controlling to say “hey fatso how about you eat 15 doughnuts rather than 30 today?”
the western world is just a joke people are so pathetic
he should grow some balls and tell her to get a fucking grip
if she bursts into tears and then wakes up in the night fills the bath tub up with chocolate sauce and drowns herself then fuck her hire a crane to get the bath out and move on.
Another gem of relationship advice right here…
Another bleeding heart.
She is “depressed” she “works 40 hours” she has “kids”
Literally hundreds of millions of people do this stuff and are fine.
A 300lb woman is morbidly obese.
To get to that stage she has been stuffing about 10 thousand calories down her cake hole per day for years.
How can you sympathise with that? It is pathetic.
She has kids and a husband and should take some responsibilty.
She is an adult.
This is the same shit as she is “addicted” to food and “addiction is a disease.”
It is this sort of thing that has made America the land of the lard.
No one needs to take responsibilty cos they are depressed or addicted.
All she needs to do is walk on a treadmill a mile AM and a mile PM and cut down a TINY bit on the food and ahe would lose fuckloads of weight.
That is not difficult.
She is not in bed with terminal cancer she is just a lazy pig.
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Your way will work very well if the OP wants to burn his relationship to the ground. And I guarantee she will lose the weight, most likely right after the divorce is finalized.
Reading back over what you wrote, why would you speak to someone you love that way? Would you speak to your child like that and expect that it wouldn’t be somehow damaging?
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He’s just kid. I know I wrote some dumb shit at 22 on this site too. [/quote]
LOL, yeah all the incredible worldly experience youve gained in your 3 extra years youve been on this earth…
This thread, like all others similar to it, was bound to degenerate into differing opinions ultimately leading to the whole “you’re too young to understand” argument. Some people have life experience not typical of their age though.
Im not saying YOLO does, he probably doesnt since his name is YOLO.
But if OP is totally numb to the situation as he states, refuses to divorce, and absolutely does not love his wife anymore (i feel like you guys are ignoring this, as if he can just MAKE himself love her again) then he should do whatever the fuck he needs to do to not be miserable.
Cheating is the least of his/their problems.
By the way, (assuming her obesity and refusal to change is not OP’s fault) when was the last time you were married to a 300lb, unmotivated woman? I didnt know being married made everyone an authority on everyone else’s unique marriage issues.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Oh my God.
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You are suggesting personal hormone manipulation for someone who cannot even control her diet, that would almost certainly be administered by someone who has no idea what they are doing.
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You suggest T3 without knowing ANYTHING about her medical or personal history.
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You suggest testosterone for a FEMALE. I get that it’s a low dose. Still terrible advice, see point one above.
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On top of that, with the extremely high danger of virilization for a woman taking test, you suggests a two day a week dosage schedule, when the goal should be to keep hormone levels in women as flat and stable as a tabletop.
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DNP? Really? Seriously? DNP?
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There is no suggestion at ALL to maybe find out a way to diet and exercise BEFORE dumping an oil drum full of drugs into her unhealthy, untrained body, most of which would almost certainly have to be acquired from sources whose products cannot be verified as safe, correctly dosed, sanitary, or even real.
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DNP? You have to be fucking kidding me. Seriously.
I can go on, if you’d like.
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- well to be completely honest, it was a joke (OP doesn’t even have health insurance, how can he afford high quality US hgh?)
however, there is nothing wrong with my protocol, that was my actual point.
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see .1
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lots of females take testosterone at low doses… it helps them A LOT.
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I recommended test E, which is rather stable at 2 doses a week, or course more frequent administration would be more ideal, but it’s only 24mg a week. Less than 1/3 of what the average male produces.
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LOL!!! this is hilarious. I sat back and thought to myself “I wonder what he’s going to say about DNP.”
he’s probably just going to say “Seriously??”…
sure enough… not once, but twice… TONS of women take DNP… it’s very effective, and very safe especially at low doses…
I cant believe you are considered an authority on this kinda stuff lmao.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
ME ME ME ME ME ME ME.
There’s a desperate hurting women over there who probably hates to open her eyes in the morning and all anybody (just about) cares about is whether this guy is happy. Yeah, she’s probably angry and nasty and impossible to get along with on top of being obese too. That’s how hurting people are. None of that is the point. Marriage (on the human level), including sex, is ALL about GIVING every bit of yourself on every level and in every way to another and ESPECIALLY when they least deserve it and are most difficult to live with. That’s when they need you most.
Marriage was designed by God, one man and one woman, for life, as an earthly illustration of the covenant relationship of Christ with His church bride. He GAVE Himself in a gruesome bloody death to redeem His people, his bride, from death themselves. He commands husbands to love their wives this way. (see the 5th chapter of the apostle Paul’s letter to the church at Ephesus) No matter what else may happen, children are equipped for life by watching their fathers love their mothers. Of course, we won’t do that on our own. How well I know, having learned this lesson the very hard way by almost destroying the wife of my youth with my own self serving childishness. Even after I should have known better.
Nevermind. Whatever on earth could I have been thinking? This guy needs to get laid and save money. Carry on.[/quote]
I’ve been reading a lot of your posts, and as a Christian brother I gotta say… what you write sounds WAY too preachy for my tastes…
anyways OP, for your wife…
2iu Keifei somatropin AM (before 30 minutes fasted walk) and 2iu PM (on empty stomach)
50-75mcg t3 ED
12mg test E Monday/Thursday
low dose DNP for 6 weeks
if that doesn’t work, time for a divorce
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Your solution is to put her on drugs?
Also that was Tiribulus no Pat. [/quote]
I realized that right after I posted it lol…
and no, not drugs, hormones. The DNP IS a drug yes, but it’s optional…
if you give a woman testosterone (a weee little bit) she can avoid the emotional/physical toll of menopause. you bet your fucking ass my wife is going to be doing that. no way am I putting up with that bullshit if I don’t have to
sometimes, hormones ARE the answer[/quote]
Have you usd DNP? I have read about it, seems effective but risky; are the dangers overstated?
These things are much easier in my country.