[quote]rainjack wrote:
It is not that we do not save for medical situations.
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we just don’t pay some suit in Dallas give us a fancy blue card. we save our money and pay as we go.
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I’m sure you know this already, but the major benefits of health insurance, for most people, are the the negotiated rates on medicine and medical procedures.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
rainjack wrote:
It is not that we do not save for medical situations.
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we just don’t pay some suit in Dallas give us a fancy blue card. we save our money and pay as we go.
I’m sure you know this already, but the major benefits of health insurance, for most people, are the the negotiated rates on medicine and medical procedures.[/quote]
yup, and the administrative costs of socialiced medicine are ridiculously low.
In this case the private sector does not seem to be able to compete with government.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
hspder wrote:
karva wrote:
So, you don’t have any insurances?
Don’t bother. You’re wasting your time.
That last methaphor has beaten all detachment-from-reality records I’ve seen.
Just ask any American woman who has been refusing to stay at home in the past 40 years. All 100 MILLION of them.
Well, first, insurance is a private gig I buy. So, wtf?
Second, Prof, what EVER are you talking about? I’ve been teaching all day, so maybe I’m missing something?
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A ‘safety net’ is provided by government to help those who can’t help themselves or won’t. Private insurance is very different. I provide this myself, paid for by my own efforts.
[quote]orion wrote:
nephorm wrote:
rainjack wrote:
It is not that we do not save for medical situations.
…
we just don’t pay some suit in Dallas give us a fancy blue card. we save our money and pay as we go.
I’m sure you know this already, but the major benefits of health insurance, for most people, are the the negotiated rates on medicine and medical procedures.
yup, and the administrative costs of socialiced medicine are ridiculously low.
In this case the private sector does not seem to be able to compete with government.
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Why are Canadians coming to the USA for healthcare? The costs are lower there, but because its ‘free’, doctors are becoming scarce there (Low $$$) and the waiting times are much longer.
For someone truly in need, through no fault of their own, God bless 'em and I’ll help pay for their medical care. But each person who can should provide for themselves.
HH
Do you know about the health care over there and why the American version is better? In that system there is Doctor A,B and C for an area. If Doc A and B are always busy, and Doctor C is a quack, you are screwed.
My friend, in Canada, is a butcher. He lost half of his hand at work. They did not give him any form of Workmans compensation, took forever to see him, and he lost part of his hand. In America, he would have had Workmans comp, gotten his hand re-attached, and would have been in a much better spot medically from the beginning. If your kid has the flu in many places in Europe and Canada, you are FUCKED. At least when medicine is a business, you are free to see the competition.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
nephorm wrote:
rainjack wrote:
It is not that we do not save for medical situations.
…
we just don’t pay some suit in Dallas give us a fancy blue card. we save our money and pay as we go.
I’m sure you know this already, but the major benefits of health insurance, for most people, are the the negotiated rates on medicine and medical procedures.
yup, and the administrative costs of socialiced medicine are ridiculously low.
In this case the private sector does not seem to be able to compete with government.
Why are Canadians coming to the USA for healthcare? The costs are lower there, but because its ‘free’, doctors are becoming scarce there (Low $$$) and the waiting times are much longer.
For someone truly in need, through no fault of their own, God bless 'em and I’ll help pay for their medical care. But each person who can should provide for themselves.
HH
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As long as it is still an insurance, everybody does pay his own way, you only pay less.
The system faces problems of a political nature though, because once politicians get to decide, the usual shit begins.
Money is transferred out of it, stuff that has nothing to do with insurance suddenly become part of the whole deal, because of laws and so on.
However, the administrative costs of all our social security insurance system (pensions, unemployment, health care) are less than 1%.
That allows for some government pork.
It is no as clear cut anyway, because in the US you pay for health care too, once there is an emergency.
Once you have made the decision not to let them die in front of hospitals, denying them help, you might as well finance basic health care because it is cheaper to prevent serious diseases than to heal them.
Plus in the case of some diseases like tuberculosis, it is in your own best interest that such people get help, and soon.
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
Do you know about the health care over there and why the American version is better? In that system there is Doctor A,B and C for an area. If Doc A and B are always busy, and Doctor C is a quack, you are screwed.
My friend, in Canada, is a butcher. He lost half of his hand at work. They did not give him any form of Workmans compensation, took forever to see him, and he lost part of his hand. In America, he would have had Workmans comp, gotten his hand re-attached, and would have been in a much better spot medically from the beginning. If your kid has the flu in many places in Europe and Canada, you are FUCKED. At least when medicine is a business, you are free to see the competition.[/quote]
That is strange, I am free to see any doctor I want as long as he/she treats people with public indsurance, which most of them do.
And of course all others, if I can pay them.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
rainjack wrote:
It is not that we do not save for medical situations.
…
we just don’t pay some suit in Dallas give us a fancy blue card. we save our money and pay as we go.
I’m sure you know this already, but the major benefits of health insurance, for most people, are the the negotiated rates on medicine and medical procedures.[/quote]
Those rates are often fake.
A doctors office may claim that they normally charge $ 200 for a visit and only charge Blue Cross $ 100 for the visit but it is often a sham and they would give an uninsured patient the same $ 100 rate just for asking for a better rate.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
nephorm wrote:
rainjack wrote:
It is not that we do not save for medical situations.
…
we just don’t pay some suit in Dallas give us a fancy blue card. we save our money and pay as we go.
I’m sure you know this already, but the major benefits of health insurance, for most people, are the the negotiated rates on medicine and medical procedures.
Those rates are often fake.
A doctors office may claim that they normally charge $ 200 for a visit and only charge Blue Cross $ 100 for the visit but it is often a sham and they would give an uninsured patient the same $ 100 rate just for asking for a better rate.
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Going rate for an office visit at our GP is 100 bucks. I am self-employed and “uninsured” - I pay 50.
I’ll take my chances doing my own negotiations. The suit in Dallas, although a skilled negotiator I am sure, wants my money and is not that concerned with saving me any.
[quote]hspder wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
… Then again, I have no doubt that would require somebody in the US Administration o actually have a brain, which clearly nobody does…
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I agree.
The US is doomed.
Shouldn’t you guys be worried more about human rights in the US.
Like in Guantanamo ? ? ?
Just a suggestion.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Shouldn’t you guys be worried more about human rights in the US.
Like in Guantanamo ? ? ?
Just a suggestion.[/quote]
Nope. As long as those fuckers are still breathing - we are being WAY to to nice to them.
Do you do anything with your time other than hate America? I have read your posts for at least a year - and it’s always the same drivel.
Did you see that those poor innocent terrorists at Gitmo tried to jump some guards?
The guards beat their asses. They should have killed them.
Wreckless is the perfect example of what is wrong in Europe.
He has sympathy for the terrorists and none for the people standing up to them.
well if people didnt have different opions we would have no one to pick on would we.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Shouldn’t you guys be worried more about human rights in the US.
Like in Guantanamo ? ? ?
Just a suggestion.[/quote]
Before you speak lets see you go guard Gitmo. I would love to see that. Or Abu Ghraib. Imagine everyone in there would love to kill you if they only had the chance, and it is your instinct and training to keep you alive should things go bad.
Or lets say your brothers are at risk unless these people talk. Would you take shortcuts to make them talk? Would you do this to keep your brother alive? Of course you would. We all would.
Why don’t you worry about your own stuff and let the professionals worry about theirs. I know many, and I promise you they are getting the job done.
Human rights are like the freedom of speech, you either have it or you don’t. Double standards are not a good thing.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Did you see that those poor innocent terrorists at Gitmo tried to jump some guards?
The guards beat their asses. They should have killed them.
Wreckless is the perfect example of what is wrong in Europe.
He has sympathy for the terrorists and none for the people standing up to them.[/quote]
We’ll never know if they’re innocent or guilty. They are never going to get a trial.
Perhaps you should look at the beam in your own eye, before you start pointing out the splinter in somebody elses eye.
If that’s “hate America”, I’m sorry.
Jesus is with ME though, not with you.
Their are a lot of inncocent people in guantanamo. Americas argument for keeping them their is almost as weak as your beer, id say 3% terrorist.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Jesus is with ME though, not with you.[/quote]
Jesus is with us all, all the time. How conceited and pig headed are you to tell someone else that jesus is not with them?
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Jesus is with ME though, not with you.
Jesus is with us all, all the time. How conceited and pig headed are you to tell someone else that jesus is not with them? [/quote]
Hey, just returning a favor.