Oh Great! Govt Healthcare

Another thing .gov is gonna fuck up royally.

For all those (shitheads) that support this socialist feel-good nonsense, do you know what I, as an employer of 60 people will likely do when they force their utopian health plan on my business? Raise my prices and fire people. Then I’ll have to pay more for unemployment for all the clowns that can actually work but are too fucking lazy to find a job. (And yes, there are jobs out there - it’s just so much easier to just get unemployment!) These are the unintended consequences of the Democrap’s plans and their answer is always, as Ayn Rand perfectly stated, to drink more of the poison that’s killing them.

Do I sound bitter? Yeah - I’m a small business owner! I’m the animal that the human parasites attach themselves to.

And don’t give me any shit about a “right” to health care, you have a “right” to health care just like you have a right to a fuckin’ Ferrari. In this country, it used to be that if you wanted something, you had to pay for it. Now, Uncle Sam just fills the trough with barely edible shit that has a nice name and all the parasites dive in and then demand more.

DC can start worrying about health care after I can walk the streets of Detroit safely. I have very little hope for this country and our society.

Agree, we need to start from scratch and start doing things a new way. But where do we start? Is it even possible to re-boot the system and start with a clean slate except for the Constitution?

exactly. health insurance is a business, which means their goal is to make money. If you can’t afford health insurance you can pay full price for your doctor visits. if you can’t afford the doctor, you can just tough it out next time you get the sniffles.

mods: please confine the fox news parroting to PWI. I came here for a laugh, not this garbage.

The irony of having Thomas Jefferson as your avatar!

I don’t watch or give a shit about Fox News. I invite you to come and run my business for one day, dickwad. You’ll be singing a different tune. (It’s OK though, I’m laughing all the way to the bank.)

Hey federalist - how many people do you employ? You are irrelevant as you’re probably not impacted by this, except to mooch more from us, the productive.

[quote]thefederalist wrote:
mods: please confine the fox news parroting to PWI. I came here for a laugh, not this garbage.[/quote]

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[quote]cord13 wrote:
exactly. health insurance is a business, which means their goal is to make money. If you can’t afford health insurance you can pay full price for your doctor visits. if you can’t afford the doctor, you can just tough it out next time you get the sniffles.[/quote]

Not the insurance companies. This is Big Pharma’s bill.

"Given this Big Pharma clout, it’s unsurprising that the bill Obama’s whipping for â?? Senate bill â?? has nearly everything the drug companies wanted: prohibiting reimportation of drugs, preserving Medicare’s overpayment for drugs, lengthy exclusivity for biotech drugs, a mandate that states subsidize drugs under Medicaid, hundreds of billions in subsidies for drugs, and more.

PhRMA chief Billy Tauzin, who was vilified by Obama on the campaign trail, worked out much of this sweetheart deal in a West Wing meeting with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. Tauzin visited the White House at least 11 times. He left his imprint so deeply on the current bill that it should probably be called BillyCare rather than ObamaCare.

Recall that pharmaceutical executives and political action committees dug deep trying to save the flailing candidacy of Democrat Martha Coakley in Massachusetts â?? a race that was explicitly a referendum on health care. She took in more than 10 times as much drug company cash as Republican Scott Brown."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Dems-tap-drugmaker-millions-for-PhRMA-friendly-bill-87852997.html

[quote]thefederalist wrote:
mods: please confine the fox news parroting to PWI. I came here for a laugh, not this garbage.[/quote]

Then don’t read the thread, no one made you.

[quote]saveski wrote:
The irony of having Thomas Jefferson as your avatar!

I don’t watch or give a shit about Fox News. I invite you to come and run my business for one day, dickwad. You’ll be singing a different tune. (It’s OK though, I’m laughing all the way to the bank.)[/quote]

I wonder how long you’ll be laughing after you have your taxes raised through the roof to pay for this health care fiasco?

[quote]saveski wrote:
The irony of having Thomas Jefferson as your avatar!

I don’t watch or give a shit about Fox News. I invite you to come and run my business for one day, dickwad. You’ll be singing a different tune. (It’s OK though, I’m laughing all the way to the bank.)[/quote]

He is the anti-Jefferson.

I’m gaining a new appreciation for Obama – he’s a more clever con artist than I thought. By putting in the clause about pre-existing conditions and making the fines low for not having health insurance, then more people will wait until they are sick before buying insurance. Afterall, they can’t be turned down. Thus the private insurers will go out of business, leaving gov’t in charge.

[quote]saveski wrote:

Then I’ll have to pay more for unemployment for all the clowns that can actually work but are too fucking lazy to find a job. (And yes, there are jobs out there - it’s just so much easier to just get unemployment!) [/quote]

Not to take this off topic, but I have to take issue with this section of your post.

I was discharged from active duty Army last June. I had an Iraq deployment under my belt, as a company level (168 personnel) XO, no less. I have a resume that most men and women at my age would be jealous of. I began actively looking for jobs in May. Guess how many jobs I found that suited my skill level, income, and experience? Zero. I used head-hunters and all sorts of internet job finders to no avail.

In September I finally decided to start my own business. So far so good.

I just think it is a bit misleading to say that people receiving unemployment are too lazy to find a job. It isn’t that simple.

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]saveski wrote:

Then I’ll have to pay more for unemployment for all the clowns that can actually work but are too fucking lazy to find a job. (And yes, there are jobs out there - it’s just so much easier to just get unemployment!) [/quote]

Not to take this off topic, but I have to take issue with this section of your post.

I was discharged from active duty Army last June. I had an Iraq deployment under my belt, as a company level (168 personnel) XO, no less. I have a resume that most men and women at my age would be jealous of. I began actively looking for jobs in May. Guess how many jobs I found that suited my skill level, income, and experience? Zero. I used head-hunters and all sorts of internet job finders to no avail.

In September I finally decided to start my own business. So far so good.

I just think it is a bit misleading to say that people receiving unemployment are too lazy to find a job. It isn’t that simple.

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I dont mean to be an ass, but I have to ask this question. Are you looking all over the country, or just in the city you are currently residing? I think this is the issue the OP has with Unemployment. There are jobs here in the South, but people up north are not willing to move. They beleive the jobs have to come to them. During the depression men moved all over the country to find a job, and when money was good the rest of the family moved.

There are circumstances that change my minds about things because I was unemployed for one and half years four years ago. I was lucky my wife made enough money for us to survive, and I did not collect Unemployement.

[quote]cord13 wrote:
exactly. health insurance is a business, which means their goal is to make money. If you can’t afford health insurance you can pay full price for your doctor visits. if you can’t afford the doctor, you can just tough it out next time you get the sniffles.[/quote]

My father worked for an american company for 30 years, paid into his insurance every single one of those years. He worked his way up from the line into management.

Then one day the company was brought, sold, and he was downsized since he was getting pretty close to retirement, and they didn’t want to pay.

My mother started working for wal-mart when my father went back to school at the age of 57. They paid their cobra until it ran out, and started on a partial insurance offered by walmart for the first 6 months of employment. During those first 6 months the coverage was limited to oh-so many dollars, I don’t remember how much.

My brother broke his leg in 5 places wrestling for 1st place in the district meet for the state championship. They covered it, but only after much haggling and nearly exhausting the limit. A lot of rehab care was left out due to cost. Can’t really tough out a leg broken in 5 places. Thank god this didn’t stop him and now he is a E-7 in the army, despite having a leg 1 inch shorter than the other.

A couple months later my father had a clot discovered in his heart, that threatened to come loose any minute and kill him. Emergency quintuple bypass surgry was necessary. Not much coverage was left, but we decided since we love him we’ll do what we can and thank god we had great credit and. . . .charged half of it on a visa, and had the hospital bill us the rest. It was difficult, but they still have the house, thank god. And he finished school, and found a new job at 59. Can’t tough out these sniffles.

As for me, I’m a medical clusterfuck in the eyes of the insurance companies and hence uninsurable. I’m perfectly physically and mentally healthy but my history won’t let me buy anything affordable. But I can’t let my coverage lest I literally loose one of my senses completely, my hearing. I speak and hear and loosing my hearing would be suicide for my social life and for my job.

I’ve come close to getting good group insurance via my jobs in industrial maintenance and drafting at a engineering firm, but both times buisness slowed down. I’m on pernament call at the engineering place. I now receive SSI and Medicare and deliver pizza the maximum I can without loosing benefits. I hate it. But I can’t simply tough out not hearing for a period of time-my ablitiy to get a job would be comprimised.

So you loose a little bit of freedom when the government takes over health care. I don’t give a rats ass about that and fail to see why I should. I and my family have been extremely lucky to get any care at all. A few $$ in the bank saved my dad, and despite doing everything “right” barely got the care he needed.

Fuck privately run insurance companies. I’ll take my chances with obamacare.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]saveski wrote:

Then I’ll have to pay more for unemployment for all the clowns that can actually work but are too fucking lazy to find a job. (And yes, there are jobs out there - it’s just so much easier to just get unemployment!) [/quote]

Not to take this off topic, but I have to take issue with this section of your post.

I was discharged from active duty Army last June. I had an Iraq deployment under my belt, as a company level (168 personnel) XO, no less. I have a resume that most men and women at my age would be jealous of. I began actively looking for jobs in May. Guess how many jobs I found that suited my skill level, income, and experience? Zero. I used head-hunters and all sorts of internet job finders to no avail.

In September I finally decided to start my own business. So far so good.

I just think it is a bit misleading to say that people receiving unemployment are too lazy to find a job. It isn’t that simple.

[/quote]

I have to ask this question. Are you looking all over the country, or just in the city you are currently residing? I think this is the issue the OP has with Unemployment. There are jobs here in the South, but people up north are not willing to move. They beleive the jobs have to come to them. During the depression men moved all over the country to find a job, and when money was good the rest of the family moved.[/quote]

This is a good question. The head-hunters I used suggested I relocate. This, of course, is after I had moved back to my home town and bought a house my wife and I really liked. I was willing to make long commutes if need be. And despite buying a new house, I would have been open to relocating if the job was worth it.

You make valid points, but I just think it is unfair and inaccurate to make such a general statement that the OP made. There are some individuals out there that are, as the OP said, too lazy to get a job.

However, everyone has a different set of circumstances that they have to deal with.

Back to Obamacare…

When do the revolts start?

haha. you guys have proven that you don’t know jefferson from hamilton. you fail middle school Civics, high school American History and PolSci 101. it’s funny, sometimes I actually pray for push to show up so I can actually debate someone with half a brain.

[quote]thefederalist wrote:
haha. you guys have proven that you don’t know jefferson from hamilton. you fail middle school Civics, high school American History and PolSci 101. it’s funny, sometimes I actually pray for push to show up so I can actually debate someone with half a brain. [/quote]

Before you get all high and mighty, you might want to start using correct punctuation.

“A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have”. ~Thomas Jefferson