Related to the thread.
Women at my uni rarely say thank you for opening the door, the only ones that do are the less physically attractive ones, the hotter ones have that permanent look of disgust on their face.
Men on the other hand say thank you alot more than women, i’ve been called a gent a few times.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
The OP should have given up his seat before the woman even said anything…
And for the rest of you looking, grasping for some absolute line of logic as to why men should be giving up their seat for women in the first place, keep looking. It’s probably lost among the myriad of other polite, classy things you never do.[/quote]
I don’t get it.
If it’s politeness that you are concerned with, why not give up your seat to some guy?
How does the person’s sex make a difference?
Should we be polite & classy only to women? Why?[/quote]
Because a man should be offended if another man gives up his seat for him. It would be treating him like a woman.[/quote]
The 1950s called.
They want you to return their attitudes to the rightful owner.
[/quote]
If it ain’t broke…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]bcingu wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Men don’t want to be treated nicely (we aren’t women) but rather we want to be treated like men. [/quote]
Speak for yourself. That sounds like a contrived distinction to me.[/quote]
Not contrived, it’s between our legs. [/quote]
It’s about respect. Period.[/quote]
This is the way I was taught. Not all females deserve respect, but women do, and giving up your comfort for them for a few moments of your life is just giving them some. [/quote]
I’m with Beans and Lanky on this one.
It’s the same reason we treat our mothers, sisters, and daughters differently than our fathers, brothers, and sons.
Why should we pretend there is no difference between males and females? Equal protection under the law does not abolish physical and emotional differences between the sexes.
[quote]Nards wrote:
Men in Taiwan make men in N. America look like Sir Lancelot.
They will not stand for pregnant women, old women, nuns, and not even for pregnant old nuns.
Seriously though, they won’t stand for any women. Usually when an old person gets on it’s another woman that will stand first.
I’m not kidding that I’ve seen women stand up so that boys can sit…and I don’t mean toddlers…I eman 10 or 12 year-olds that can hold the rail just fine.
I have a couple of pics of really rude behavior I took…lemme find them…[/quote]
An interesting point. Seems to me this is because men are the ones on the pedestal in Asian culture. There are plenty of dumpster baby girls that can attest to that.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Every single point being made for giving up the seat requires the assumption that women are weak. [/quote]
Lol, by far the most comical sentence in this entire thread.
By that logic, every time you help someone who isn’t absolutely in need you are implying the person you are helping is weak.
Sometimes, doing something nice for someone is just doing something nice for them and doesn’t imply anything. [/quote]
You’ve already said that logic doesn’t apply here, hence the comment, slightly paraphrased, “herp derp its just the right thing to do.” It isn’t “just being nice” if gender is a requisite to receive the treatment you are deeming nice.
The problem is not that you would offer your seat to an able-bodied woman, it’s that you turn your nose up at someone who doesn’t. We aren’t getting past this, and that’s fine. Just know I think you’re as ridiculous as you think I am and we can move on.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]bcingu wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Men don’t want to be treated nicely (we aren’t women) but rather we want to be treated like men. [/quote]
Speak for yourself. That sounds like a contrived distinction to me.[/quote]
Not contrived, it’s between our legs. [/quote]
It’s about respect. Period.[/quote]
This is the way I was taught. Not all females deserve respect, but women do, and giving up your comfort for them for a few moments of your life is just giving them some. [/quote]
I’m with Beans and Lanky on this one.
It’s the same reason we treat our mothers, sisters, and daughters differently than our fathers, brothers, and sons.
Why should we pretend there is no difference between males and females? Equal protection under the law does not abolish physical and emotional differences between the sexes. [/quote]
Would you also prevent women from entering certain careers that you considered incongruent with their nature?
Fighting in combat?
Highly competitive Cut throat type finance/banking careers?
Construction?
Firefighting and law enforcement?
Where does your decision to treat females differently start and stop?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
The OP should have given up his seat before the woman even said anything…
And for the rest of you looking, grasping for some absolute line of logic as to why men should be giving up their seat for women in the first place, keep looking. It’s probably lost among the myriad of other polite, classy things you never do.[/quote]
I don’t get it.
If it’s politeness that you are concerned with, why not give up your seat to some guy?
How does the person’s sex make a difference?
Should we be polite & classy only to women? Why?[/quote]
Because a man should be offended if another man gives up his seat for him. It would be treating him like a woman.[/quote]
The 1950s called.
They want you to return their attitudes to the rightful owner.
[/quote]
The 1990’s called and they want their joke back.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Would you also prevent women from entering certain careers that you considered incongruent with their nature?
Fighting in combat?
Highly competitive Cut throat type finance/banking careers?
Construction?
Firefighting and law enforcement?
[/quote]
For probably 99% of women out there…
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Would you also prevent women from entering certain careers that you considered incongruent with their nature?
Fighting in combat?
Highly competitive Cut throat type finance/banking careers?
Construction?
Firefighting and law enforcement?
[/quote]
For probably 99% of women out there…
[/quote]
It’s funny, two good friends of mine are police officers and they’ve told me about some of the women officers they work with and how they’ll literally run away from someone before getting into a physical altercation. Now, I don’t blame them for running away because in reality they can’t be as physical as a lot of the men they’re dealing with.
I blame society for telling everyone that women can do everything a man can do and vice versa. This PC nonsense should be put to rest because in reality, we are different and we excel at different things. The idea that we shouldn’t take this into account in our every day lives is completely ridiculous. I think it stems from the need to be PC and be viewed as someone who doesn’t view someone of a different gender any differently, when in fact they are different and should be viewed differently.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Would you also prevent women from entering certain careers that you considered incongruent with their nature?[/quote]
I see people as individuals, so each woman’s nature will determine the answer to the questions. And as an aside, I would never concider myself a better judge than the individual of whether or not she was “fit” to do a job.
If a woman can carry a fallen patriot off the battle field and shoot bad guys, and wants to, then hell yes, put her in combat.
Gender, in and of itself, will have little determination of sucess in these fields. If the person in question favors a work/life balance over married to their desk, this may not be the field for them. But that isn’t gender specific.
Much like combat, if she wants to, and can physically do what is needed of her (there are plenty of men who can’t) then sure. The work environment is pretty vulgar in many cases though, so she should be ready to hear that type of “lockerroom” talk.
See combat.
[quote]Where does your decision to treat females differently start and stop?
[/quote]
When there are two sets of standards for performance.
There should be one standard that everyone needs to reach in order to be given a job or task. Gender shouldn’t affect the standard level.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Would you also prevent women from entering certain careers that you considered incongruent with their nature?
Fighting in combat?
Highly competitive Cut throat type finance/banking careers?
Construction?
Firefighting and law enforcement?
[/quote]
For probably 99% of women out there…
[/quote]
It’s funny, two good friends of mine are police officers and they’ve told me about some of the women officers they work with and how they’ll literally run away from someone before getting into a physical altercation. Now, I don’t blame them for running away because in reality they can’t be as physical as a lot of the men they’re dealing with.
I blame society for telling everyone that women can do everything a man can do and vice versa. This PC nonsense should be put to rest because in reality, we are different and we excel at different things. The idea that we shouldn’t take this into account in our every day lives is completely ridiculous. I think it stems from the need to be PC and be viewed as someone who doesn’t view someone of a different gender any differently, when in fact they are different and should be viewed differently. [/quote]
Good post.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Would you also prevent women from entering certain careers that you considered incongruent with their nature?
Fighting in combat?
Highly competitive Cut throat type finance/banking careers?
Construction?
Firefighting and law enforcement?
[/quote]
For probably 99% of women out there…
[/quote]
I would answer no for all. Women have engaged in combat probably for as long as men. The idea that it is not congruent with their nature is false. Obviously it was preferred that women didn’t engage in combat because they were the ones who raised and had children. The biggest obstacle will be getting through the same training as men. Most women can’t.
You will always need women in law enforcement as you have female criminals. It’s better to have a woman put her hands on another woman. As long as a woman can pass the same tests as men they should not be barred.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
There should be one standard that everyone needs to reach in order to be given a job or task. Gender shouldn’t affect the standard level. [/quote]
Agree 100%.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I see people as individuals [/quote]
So women should be seen as individuals when it’s to their benefit (e.g. careers) but they should be seen as different than men when they’re in distress or when it pertains to their comfort level?
Oh and this is not explicitly addressed to CB, a whole host of posters agree with your sentiment.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I see people as individuals [/quote]
So women should be seen as individuals when it’s to their benefit (e.g. careers) but they should be seen as different than men when they’re in distress or when it pertains to their comfort level?
Oh and this is not explicitly addressed to CB, a whole host of posters agree with your sentiment.
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Seeing women as individuals is not always to their benefit when it comes to their careers. It could obviously go either way.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I see people as individuals [/quote]
So women should be seen as individuals when it’s to their benefit (e.g. careers) but they should be seen as different than men when they’re in distress or when it pertains to their comfort level?
[/quote]
What?
This is your question, reworded:
So women should be seen as individuals or as individuals?
lol. Individual = different from others.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Would you also prevent women from entering certain careers that you considered incongruent with their nature?
Fighting in combat?
Highly competitive Cut throat type finance/banking careers?
Construction?
Firefighting and law enforcement?
Where does your decision to treat females differently start and stop?
[/quote]
Yes to combat, firefight, and construction. No to finance/banking.
Men and women are different. I really don’t understand why that’s such a controversial statement for some. I would not want a woman in my foxhole. That doesn’t mean I think less of them, but if push comes to shove I don’t believe most women would be of the same benefit as most men in a foxhole, firefight, or even construction site.
That’s reality not bias based on gender.
Standing for a woman is about class. It’s a time honored tradition gentlemen adhere to out of principle. It has nothing to do with treating a woman as inferior. The same goes for opening a car door or holding the door. It’s about respect for others not about being superior. Can my wife open her own door, yes. I open it for her as a sign of respect and a gesture of kindness not because I think her inferior woman muscles can’t handle it.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I see people as individuals [/quote]
So women should be seen as individuals when it’s to their benefit (e.g. careers) but they should be seen as different than men when they’re in distress or when it pertains to their comfort level?
[/quote]
What?
This is your question, reworded:
So women should be seen as individuals or as individuals?
lol. Individual = different from others. [/quote]
No let me try again:
When you evaluate women in terms of careers you believe they should be seen as individuals.
When it comes to giving up your seat you base your actions on traits you consider inherent to their gender.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Standing for a woman is about class. It’s a time honored tradition gentlemen adhere to out of principle. It has nothing to do with treating a woman as inferior. The same goes for opening a car door or holding the door. It’s about respect for others not about being superior. Can my wife open her own door, yes. I open it for her as a sign of respect and a gesture of kindness not because I think her inferior woman muscles can’t handle it.
[/quote]
We were just brought up different. My mom said a girl should do for herself. Unless its her husband/bf and if they love them they prove it by doing the extra stuff like opening doors and giving first dibs on seats. And if she doesn’t appreciate it don’t do it.
But she also told me to stand up against bullies. And to not let people walk all over you specially strangers.