[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Standing for a woman is about class. It’s a time honored tradition gentlemen adhere to out of principle. It has nothing to do with treating a woman as inferior. The same goes for opening a car door or holding the door. It’s about respect for others not about being superior. Can my wife open her own door, yes. I open it for her as a sign of respect and a gesture of kindness not because I think her inferior woman muscles can’t handle it.
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We were just brought up different. My mom said a girl should do for herself. Unless its her husband/bf and if they love them they prove it by doing the extra stuff like opening doors and giving first dibs on seats. And if she doesn’t appreciate it don’t do it.
But she also told me to stand up against bullies. And to not let people walk all over you specially strangers. [/quote]
I agree, culture and upbringing are a factor in these types of situations.
When you evaluate women in terms of careers you believe they should be seen as individuals.
When it comes to giving up your seat you base your actions on traits you consider inherent to their gender.
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Sort of. Because in situation one they have to earn everythign they do or don’t get in return for their efforts. They have to, through their own performance, provide value to the world.
In situation two, I’m making a judgement call as to whether or not, based on the little outside information I have, this person a) first and foremost needs this seat more than I do and b) secondary to that, if they deserve me going “out of my way” to do something nice for them.
Where gender comes into play in situation two is based on a couple things. But your main point, and something I agree to/admit to is that yes, I’m more likely to go out of my way to do something nice for a woman, as it concerns giving up a seat, than a man.
When it comes to things like holding doors open at Starbucks or whatever, I hold the door for everyone.
I stand no matter what because didn’t we all hear about sitting is bad for your back and makes you fat and so forth? That the more you stand the better your posture will be?
I think Dan John had an article here about it.
[quote]Chilliwack wrote:
I think most of you missed the point on this one. Do you have any idea how hard it is to masturbate on the bus when you have to stand?[/quote]
I find it easier to look people in the when I come if I am standing.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Why should we pretend there is no difference between males and females? Equal protection under the law does not abolish physical and emotional differences between the sexes.
Would you also prevent women from entering certain careers that you considered incongruent with their nature?
Fighting in combat?
Highly competitive Cut throat type finance/banking careers?
Construction?
Firefighting and law enforcement?
Where does your decision to treat females differently start and stop?
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I’m puzzled by this whole “women deserve respect” thing. That’s like saying strangers deserve trust. I treat everyone with common courtesy, but respect, like trust, is earned. I never sit when the bus/subway is crowded, and when I stand I will be more likely to give my seat to a woman with children or an elderly person before I would to a young man. And I’m the type of guy who would be much more likely to pull over to help a stranded motorist who was a woman before I would pull over to help a man, even though there are quite a few boys out their these days who are completely unable to change a tire, etc.
As to the list of questions:
No.
No.
No.
No.
PROVIDED: women are selected and evaluated for fitness by the same objective standards as men. Which as I have seen isn’t happening. I’ve known female police officers who admit to running away from confrontations. I’ve seen wanna be female firefighters complain about the physical apptitude tests for fire departments that had already been watered down because the department was actively seeking to hire women. I’ve seen women who claim to want to be treated “like one of the guys” but then run and complain to HR when their co-workers call them out for fucking up. When men fuck up on the job, they get hazed brutally because no one wants to have to carry someone else’s workload. But you can’t do that with women, because they can cry and get their way.
Now I’ve also seen women who were great firefighters who carry thier share of the load and spit in the face of special treatment. I’ve seen women police officers jump into the middle of confrontations. Though I’ve worked in construction of and on for 5 years, I’ve only seen one woman, and she wasn’t worth a shit and only had a job because her girlfriend pulled strings for her, so I can’t speak to that.
I think there are women out there who could do these jobs by any objective standard. They are a small minority of women, but they are perfectly capable and an asset to any organization that hires them. But I think in the rush to Political Correctness unsuitable women are getting an easy ride into these fields and are not being held to the same objective standards of performance as their male counterparts. And everyone is too scarred to do anything about it.
Well I dunno about you but I was on the bus and there was an old lady who said “I need a seat”. She was limping; literally half the bus got up and offered her a seat.
^ Not really relevant to the discussion, but it was nice. Go Canada!
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Standing for a woman is about class. It’s a time honored tradition gentlemen adhere to out of principle. It has nothing to do with treating a woman as inferior. The same goes for opening a car door or holding the door. It’s about respect for others not about being superior. Can my wife open her own door, yes. I open it for her as a sign of respect and a gesture of kindness not because I think her inferior woman muscles can’t handle it.
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lol? time honored tradition? what?
asking for someones seat is an asshole move, I wouldn’t give her the seat if she asked, you need to be offered it
don’t see how you are comparing holding a door for someone and someone demanding your seat, not even remotely related. if I don’t give up my seat for some random asshole I must be the type of person to slam the door in your face, right?
With the exception of pregnant women, my standards for giving up my seat are exactly the same between men and women. Elderly, disabled, injured or people with young kids, sure. Otherwise, you can stand. I don’t see any problem with what the OP did.
