[quote]bellis800 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
More people actually die from the drugs they DO approve than from ephedra.
Exactly. The FDA is just protecting the drug manufacturers. Remember, it’s all about the money. [/quote]
If that was all it was about, they could require a prescription for ephedrine like they did with phen fen before that was taken off the market. Nevertheless, there’s not too much rhyme or reason to it. I don’t think the diet pills still on the market are so much safer when abused. Which most of the people who experienced problems from ephedrine were probably doing. Or it just compounded latent issues from being obese and having an unhealthy lifestyle, where heart problems would’ve probably manifested soon anyway.
[quote]beebuddy wrote:
“More people actually die from the drugs they DO approve than from ephedra.”
Is that true if you count the methamphetamine that is derived from ephedra and psuedoephedra? It might be, but that isn’t the point.
We got unlucky. A cool and relatively harmless drug that can be turned into a lethal and extremely harmful drug is going to be banned.
It’s too bad for responsible ephedra users, but meth is bad enough to warrant banning ephedra. Meth kills and destroys the lives of users, families of users and the victims of users’ crimes.[/quote]
Not a great argument. There are many products currently on the market that can be used to make meth.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
“More people actually die from the drugs they DO approve than from ephedra.”
Is that true if you count the methamphetamine that is derived from ephedra and psuedoephedra? It might be, but that isn’t the point.
We got unlucky. A cool and relatively harmless drug that can be turned into a lethal and extremely harmful drug is going to be banned.
It’s too bad for responsible ephedra users, but meth is bad enough to warrant banning ephedra. Meth kills and destroys the lives of users, families of users and the victims of users’ crimes.
Not a great argument. There are many products currently on the market that can be used to make meth.[/quote]
Can someone elaborate on meth, I really know nothing about illegal drugs. Is ephedra a necisary ingredient or what?
[quote]hockechamp14 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
“More people actually die from the drugs they DO approve than from ephedra.”
Is that true if you count the methamphetamine that is derived from ephedra and psuedoephedra? It might be, but that isn’t the point.
We got unlucky. A cool and relatively harmless drug that can be turned into a lethal and extremely harmful drug is going to be banned.
It’s too bad for responsible ephedra users, but meth is bad enough to warrant banning ephedra. Meth kills and destroys the lives of users, families of users and the victims of users’ crimes.
Not a great argument. There are many products currently on the market that can be used to make meth.
Can someone elaborate on meth, I really know nothing about illegal drugs. Is ephedra a necisary ingredient or what?[/quote]
Well, I’m no expert. But in it’s pure form, no. I know that people use cold-medicine with pseudo-ephedrine/ephedrine HCL to make meth and probably other substances as well. Unfortunately, meth is a big problem in some areas of our country. And banning ephedra has done little to nothing to change that.
It also drives me nuts that the so called “experts” continue to cite athletes and professional athletes as examples of death tied to ephedrine.
Every case that I hear about, that athelete was attempting to lose a ton of weight, was not in shape, was not drinking enough water, was not eating, and that athletes training methods were to much for those conditions.
““Not a great argument. There are many products currently on the market that can be used to make meth.””
Those products require an ID and a signature to obtain, so they can not be used to make meth in a practical sense because the feds will notice if you buy a shitload of em. Regardless of whether or not it’s a good argument, that’s why it happened to be banned.
And to the other poster, crystal meth is made out of ephedrine and/or pseudoephedrine, plus a whole bunch of other crap.
[quote]beebuddy wrote:
““Not a great argument. There are many products currently on the market that can be used to make meth.””
Those products require an ID and a signature to obtain, so they can not be used to make meth in a practical sense because the feds will notice if you buy a shitload of em. Regardless of whether or not it’s a good argument, that’s why it happened to be banned.
And to the other poster, crystal meth is made out of ephedrine and/or pseudoephedrine, plus a whole bunch of other crap.[/quote]
You don’t need a signature to buy pseudoephedrine. Who lied to you? That is in several cough medicines where any child can buy a box. Further, that is not why ephedrine was banned. They didn’t even base this on meth production. THOUSANDS of people die every year from using aspirin or other NSAIDs yet it is still legal. This doesn’t have shit to do with saving us from anything.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
““Not a great argument. There are many products currently on the market that can be used to make meth.””
Those products require an ID and a signature to obtain, so they can not be used to make meth in a practical sense because the feds will notice if you buy a shitload of em. Regardless of whether or not it’s a good argument, that’s why it happened to be banned.
And to the other poster, crystal meth is made out of ephedrine and/or pseudoephedrine, plus a whole bunch of other crap.
You don’t need a signature to buy pseudoephedrine. Who lied to you? That is in several cough medicines where any child can buy a box. Further, that is not why ephedrine was banned. They didn’t even base this on meth production. THOUSANDS of people die every year from using aspirin or other NSAIDs yet it is still legal. This doesn’t have shit to do with saving us from anything.[/quote]
Right, so back to my first post, what are we going to do about it? If we band together, we have power ladies and gentlemen. If we just keep talking we’re not changing anything. I mean this is good discussion in this thread, but we still need a course of action to protest this banning, and keeping other substances legal.
““You don’t need a signature to buy pseudoephedrine.””
Umm, wrong. I just went to CVS here in DC a few days ago and had to show an ID and signature. If YOU don’t have to yet, you will.
[quote]beebuddy wrote:
““You don’t need a signature to buy pseudoephedrine.””
Umm, wrong. I just went to CVS here in DC a few days ago and had to show an ID and signature. If YOU don’t have to yet, you will.
[/quote]
If you are going to challenge someone, at least do your research. I said it was present in cough medication. How about you turn a box of Sudafed over and read the ingredients. You don’t need to sign ANYTHING to buy cough medicine. I explained this to you in detail above. What does it say about you when you still don’t get it?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
What does it say about you when you still don’t get it?[/quote]
…Umm, that he needs to keep taking the pill?
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Medical School Graduate,
I didn’t say you needed an ID to buy cough medecine or ALL types of psuedoephedrine. The statement was that an ‘ID was needed to buy pseudoephedrine,’ which is sometimes true.
You said, “You don’t need a signature to buy pseudoephedrine.” Which is usually false.
Who cares if there is loophole about cough medecine? Your statement is still incorrect.
““What does it say about you when you still don’t get it?””
What a dumb fucking question.
““Further, that is not why ephedrine was banned. They didn’t even base this on meth production.””
If you weren’t so busy performing surgeries in-between posting on ‘T-Nation’ you would know it was banned twice by the feds. First in 2004 by the FDA, citing concerns over cardiovascular effects and again in 2005 in the “Combat Meth Act.”
[quote]Professor X wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
““You don’t need a signature to buy pseudoephedrine.””
Umm, wrong. I just went to CVS here in DC a few days ago and had to show an ID and signature. If YOU don’t have to yet, you will.
If you are going to challenge someone, at least do your research. I said it was present in cough medication. How about you turn a box of Sudafed over and read the ingredients. You don’t need to sign ANYTHING to buy cough medicine. I explained this to you in detail above. What does it say about you when you still don’t get it?[/quote]
My wife just had to show ID to buy regular cough medicine from Rite-Aid two weeks ago in Upstate, NY. She didnt’ have her ID with her because it’s a short walk to get there.
They made her go back and get it if she wanted to buy the cough medicine. She’s over 30 years old!
I thought that was complete bull-shit, but that’s what happens when you have ignorant morons making rules and regulations.
I don’t know where the rule came from, or if it was just a Rite-Aid thing, but they said too many kids were buying Niquil so they made this rule for all over-the-counter medicine that you have to be over 18 to buy them.
[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
““You don’t need a signature to buy pseudoephedrine.””
Umm, wrong. I just went to CVS here in DC a few days ago and had to show an ID and signature. If YOU don’t have to yet, you will.
If you are going to challenge someone, at least do your research. I said it was present in cough medication. How about you turn a box of Sudafed over and read the ingredients. You don’t need to sign ANYTHING to buy cough medicine. I explained this to you in detail above. What does it say about you when you still don’t get it?
My wife just had to show ID to buy regular cough medicine from Rite-Aid two weeks ago in Upstate, NY. She didnt’ have her ID with her because it’s a short walk to get there.
They made her go back and get it if she wanted to buy the cough medicine. She’s over 30 years old!
I thought that was complete bull-shit, but that’s what happens when you have ignorant morons making rules and regulations.
I don’t know where the rule came from, or if it was just a Rite-Aid thing, but they said too many kids were buying Niquil so they made this rule for all over-the-counter medicine that you have to be over 18 to buy them.[/quote]
Amazing. I can go to Walmart and buy boxes of the shit and not show anything. In fact, you can use the self check out counter and you won’t even speak to a real person.
[quote]beebuddy wrote:
Medical School Graduate,
I didn’t say you needed an ID to buy cough medecine or ALL types of psuedoephedrine. The statement was that an ‘ID was needed to buy pseudoephedrine,’ which is sometimes true.
You said, “You don’t need a signature to buy pseudoephedrine.” Which is usually false.
Who cares if there is loophole about cough medecine? Your statement is still incorrect.
““What does it say about you when you still don’t get it?””
What a dumb fucking question. [/quote]
Why would you dissect my statement? Why ignore the sentence following it telling you where it is located?
“I like to drink and drive. However, what I am drinking is Kool-Aid.”
Would you look at the above statement and assume I like to drive drunk?
[quote]beebuddy wrote:
““Further, that is not why ephedrine was banned. They didn’t even base this on meth production.””
If you weren’t so busy performing surgeries in-between posting on ‘T-Nation’ you would know it was banned twice by the feds. First in 2004 by the FDA, citing concerns over cardiovascular effects and again in 2005 in the “Combat Meth Act.”
[/quote]
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/meth/cma2005.htm
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“The Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005 (Title VII of the USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005, P.L. 109-177) was signed into law March 9, 2006. All changes go into effect on March 9, 2006”
This is actually fairly recent and was not put into effect in 2005. However, you are right in that they are adding restrictions to the sell of pseudoephedrine beginning in MARCH and leading to SEPTEMBER 2006. It has not been fully instituted yet:
[quote]Effective September 30, 2006
Sales limits
a. A mobile retail vendor may not sell more than 7.5 grams of product per customer during a 30-day period.
Product Placement
b. Regulated seller must place product such that customers do not have direct access before the sale is made (“behind the counter” placement) or in a locked cabinet that is located in an area of the facility to which customers do have direct access. Regulated seller must deliver product directly into the custody of the purchaser.
c. A mobile retail vendor must place product in a locked cabinet.
[/quote]
[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
““You don’t need a signature to buy pseudoephedrine.””
Umm, wrong. I just went to CVS here in DC a few days ago and had to show an ID and signature. If YOU don’t have to yet, you will.
If you are going to challenge someone, at least do your research. I said it was present in cough medication. How about you turn a box of Sudafed over and read the ingredients. You don’t need to sign ANYTHING to buy cough medicine. I explained this to you in detail above. What does it say about you when you still don’t get it?
My wife just had to show ID to buy regular cough medicine from Rite-Aid two weeks ago in Upstate, NY. She didnt’ have her ID with her because it’s a short walk to get there.
They made her go back and get it if she wanted to buy the cough medicine. She’s over 30 years old!
I thought that was complete bull-shit, but that’s what happens when you have ignorant morons making rules and regulations.
I don’t know where the rule came from, or if it was just a Rite-Aid thing, but they said too many kids were buying Niquil so they made this rule for all over-the-counter medicine that you have to be over 18 to buy them.[/quote]
Effective April 8, 2006, the daily sales limit of ephedrine base, pseudoephedrine base, or phenylpropanolamine base is 3.6 grams per purchaser, regardless of number of transactions.
Apparently, this was just recently put into play.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
““You don’t need a signature to buy pseudoephedrine.””
Umm, wrong. I just went to CVS here in DC a few days ago and had to show an ID and signature. If YOU don’t have to yet, you will.
If you are going to challenge someone, at least do your research. I said it was present in cough medication. How about you turn a box of Sudafed over and read the ingredients. You don’t need to sign ANYTHING to buy cough medicine. I explained this to you in detail above. What does it say about you when you still don’t get it?[/quote]
What does it say about you when you don’t even know what you are talking about while chastising someone?
Sudafed PE DOES NOT contain PSEUDOEPHRIDRINE but rather PHENYLEPHRINE. That is why it’s available to purchase without ID. Regular Sudafed is a completely different story.
[quote]bdog527 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
““You don’t need a signature to buy pseudoephedrine.””
Umm, wrong. I just went to CVS here in DC a few days ago and had to show an ID and signature. If YOU don’t have to yet, you will.
If you are going to challenge someone, at least do your research. I said it was present in cough medication. How about you turn a box of Sudafed over and read the ingredients. You don’t need to sign ANYTHING to buy cough medicine. I explained this to you in detail above. What does it say about you when you still don’t get it?
What does it say about you when you don’t even know what you are talking about while chastising someone?
Sudafed PE DOES NOT contain PSEUDOEPHRIDRINE but rather PHENYLEPHRINE. That is why it’s available to purchase without ID. Regular Sudafed is a completely different story.
[/quote]
Sudafed contains pseudoephedrine. You are now nitpicking if you are focusing on the fact that I chose a picture of the same product but a different formula.