Enough Muscle Mass to Lose Weight?

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[quote]jbc07665 wrote:
why does brad pitt piss you off?[/quote]

I noticed this observation posted by another member of this site and it really holds true… Ugh, there’s nothing wrong with wanting to be like Brad Pitt, it’s not Brad Pitt dude you’re missing the point… but what is wrong with males of this generation when their first instinct is to aspire to look like Brad Pitt in Fight club and not Brad Pitt in Troy? or Arnold in…shiet any of his movies?

Where did the desire to become strong, big, and lean become replaced by being small and lean?

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[quote]That One Guy wrote:
jbc07665 wrote:
why does brad pitt piss you off?

I noticed this observation posted by another member of this site and it really holds true… Ugh, there’s nothing wrong with wanting to be like Brad Pitt, it’s not Brad Pitt dude you’re missing the point… but what is wrong with males of this generation when their first instinct is to aspire to look like Brad Pitt in Fight club and not Brad Pitt in Troy? or Arnold in…shiet any of his movies?

Where did the desire to become strong, big, and lean become replaced by being small and lean?[/quote]

Speaking from the general population’s point of view, physique’s like Arnorld’s are just too over the top. There’s a reason why the “meathead” stereotype exists…an average joe sees a big guy and says to him/herself “that guy lives in the gym”…also it seems unpractical to be that big. Lean and average muscle mass=healthy.

this is my take at why the general population wants to be lean with average muscle mass…I’ll probably get flamed to hell and banned but whatever.

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do whatever the fuck you want

why the fuck are you asking some online people who couldnt give less of a shit about you to decide your life for you?

if you want to lose weight and you will feel better about yourself go fucking do it, fuck what others think

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[quote]believedat wrote:
do whatever the fuck you want

why the fuck are you asking some online people who couldnt give less of a shit about you to decide your life for you?

if you want to lose weight and you will feel better about yourself go fucking do it, fuck what others think[/quote]

oh stop being so melodramatic and read my post again…the general population is retarded but that’s the way it is.

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yeah…in short brad pitt is very small but very lean and muscular in those films, if you lose 15lbs you might be at a similar weight but your body composition will not be similar.

lift heavy alot, be intense, keep eating alot but clean it up a bit. rest repeat for five years. Then reevaluate and perhaps cut down then, maybe, but probably not.

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this is a bodybuilding site what do you expect people to say to a saggie titted guy at 160lbs? cut now? have you read any other threads on the site?

if you couldnt expect what the answer of everyone here would be then be happy you apparently fit the general population

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That mountain troll is sweet.

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What’s the point in losing fat and having abs, if you only wear a medium or small T-shirt? Start lifting weights and eat, then consider “cutting”. Good luck with that.

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[quote]jbc07665 wrote:
unaware…is there a secret hate for the brad-pitt types around here or something?[/quote]

No. Except for the fact that you posted about him in a BODYBUILDING forum. This post would have been more kindly received in the Beginner’s Forum. The people in this forum don’t want to be small, and they quite frankly get frustrated and annoyed at people wanting to look like Brad Pitt in Fight Club because this question has been asked…oh I don’t know 1,372,583.7 times in this forum already.

This forum is about getting big. Hulk sized proportions. Or at least Frank Zane style proportions. That’s why they call it Bodybuilding forum instead of “General Fitness” forum.

So to answer your question, the hate for Pitt is very out in the open here, as a function of all the people asking the same. damn. question. over. and. over. On a Bodybuilding forum. And over and over and over and over.

The answer to your first questions is No. No you would not look good. you’re 5’8 and 160, with fat. You’re not fat, you’re skinny-fat. Cut 30 lbs off that and you’ll look like a concentration camp victim, and be lean. but 20 lbs lighter than even BPIFC (that’s brad pitt in fight club).

If you want proportionate levels of muscularity you’ll need to be about 30 lbs HEAVIER than you are now, and a reasonably lean body fat level before you start your cut. 190 at 15% bf = 175 at under 8.5%.

And you’ll still be small. But at least you’ll be proportionate, I guess, if you work hard on trying to gain muscle in all the parts of your body including the legs and the ones you can’t see in the mirror (those being the glutes, quads/hamstrings, and low/upper back mainly)

Get to work gaining muscle. Easiest way to get rid of your flab while doing it is to NOT EAT SHIT. Don’t drink soda, don’t eat ice cream, or dessert, and don’t binge drink. don’t eat fried food. Eat steak, chicken, turkey, eggs, milk, fruits, veggies, cheese. Don’t eat a lot of pasta.

Don’t make it complicated. If you just work hard in the gym and eat a healthy diet with plenty of meat and veggies, you’ll lose most of the flab. You’ll have to eat a shit load and work a long ass time to get those 30 lbs up though. Get cracking.

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Being so new to this, you can still make noob gains (Noobs pretty commonly gain muscle and lose fat at the same time.), and if you miss out on those you are going to regret it. Follow what Aragorn said, and that should be a good start. Get started on an organized program emphasizing compound lifts with heavy weights, and you should be good.

No. You are way too small to cut, but you can still lose the flab IMO.

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first off, how long have you been lifting? i looked pretty much the same as you when i first started lifting and from experience i can say if you’re lifting as intensely as you should be then the fat will slowly disappear and the muscle that you develop will help you into a mindframe where abs no longer become a concern and mass does nothing but improve your physique…

most of that probably sounds like babbling but as a former skinny fat myself focus on improving your lifts, while making sure what you’re eating is healthy in terms of getting enough vitamins and minerals, then once progress stops focus on increasing calories, once you get the motivation from your lifting diet becomes RIDICULOUSLY easier

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Did you have pectus surgery?

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[quote]Perficio wrote:
first off, how long have you been lifting? i looked pretty much the same as you when i first started lifting and from experience i can say if you’re lifting as intensely as you should be then the fat will slowly disappear and the muscle that you develop will help you into a mindframe where abs no longer become a concern and mass does nothing but improve your physique…

most of that probably sounds like babbling but as a former skinny fat myself focus on improving your lifts, while making sure what you’re eating is healthy in terms of getting enough vitamins and minerals, then once progress stops focus on increasing calories, once you get the motivation from your lifting diet becomes RIDICULOUSLY easier[/quote]

I’ve been lifting on and off for a year. I’ve done good progress considering my before state (175 lbs and couldn’t even bench 60 lbs LOL)…that fat just bothers me a lot…it all started when my gf took a naked picture of me whilst I wasn’t looking and I’ve been self conscious ever since :frowning:

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[quote]Fezzik wrote:
Being so new to this, you can still make noob gains (Noobs pretty commonly gain muscle and lose fat at the same time.), and if you miss out on those you are going to regret it.

Follow what Aragorn said, and that should be a good start. Get started on an organized program emphasizing compound lifts with heavy weights, and you should be good.

No. You are way too small to cut, but you can still lose the flab IMO.

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how can I lose the flab? I started doing high intensity cardio and lost 4 lbs in a period of 2 weeks. I’ve also cut out all carbs from my diet.

My lifts have gone down a bit though.

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just keep at it. you’ll get to the point where you have more muscle and the fat, but will still look better. take it from someone who made the mistake. If you cut too early you will be busting your ass in the gym only to end up looking like you don’t even lift weights.

at this point, you probably won’t even look like brad pitt in fight club. again, just keep at it, it takes a while.

EDIT…put the carbs back in and eat big. keep the scale going up for now.

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[quote]matsm21 wrote:
just keep at it. you’ll get to the point where you have more muscle and the fat, but will still look better. take it from someone who made the mistake.

If you cut too early you will be busting your ass in the gym only to end up looking like you don’t even lift weights. at this point, you probably won’t even look like brad pitt in fight club. again, just keep at it, it takes a while.

EDIT…put the carbs back in and eat big. keep the scale going up for now.[/quote]

Should I keep doing high intensity cardio 3x a week? or will that be a set back?

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[quote]jbc07665 wrote:
Perficio wrote:
first off, how long have you been lifting? i looked pretty much the same as you when i first started lifting and from experience i can say if you’re lifting as intensely as you should be then the fat will slowly disappear and the muscle that you develop will help you into a mindframe where abs no longer become a concern and mass does nothing but improve your physique…

most of that probably sounds like babbling but as a former skinny fat myself focus on improving your lifts, while making sure what you’re eating is healthy in terms of getting enough vitamins and minerals, then once progress stops focus on increasing calories, once you get the motivation from your lifting diet becomes RIDICULOUSLY easier

I’ve been lifting on and off for a year. I’ve done good progress considering my before state (175 lbs and couldn’t even bench 60 lbs LOL)…that fat just bothers me a lot…it all started when my gf took a naked picture of me whilst I wasn’t looking and I’ve been self conscious ever since :frowning:

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you’re first issue seems to be ‘on and off for a year’…if you can improve this to ‘on for a year’ your muscle will get to a point where its focused upon as opposed to the fat.

i made the mistake of going on the v diet and cutting down and unless you get to 5% body fat you’re just going to look worse and worse because you wont have the muscle in place to really ‘show off’ you’re leaness, unless you have incredible genetics i believe you’ll look better at 210lbs at 12-14% body fat then 160 at 8% bodyfat.

at this point muscle can do nothing but help and consistently intense workouts will get you more quickly to the physique you wish to achieve then focusing on cutting now only to have to realise you need to put on more muscle later

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Fat (past being well cut) never makes a man look better. I disagree with the argument that you would look worse on losing the fat.

However you should spend most of your time working on gaining muscle.

It is unnecessary to gain fat rapidly while working to gain muscle.

If your fat loss weeks are at say 2 lb fat per week, while muscle gain weeks are at say 1/2 lb fat gain per week, you can have 4 gaining weeks for every cutting week, once down to something more reasonable.

There is no disadvantage to that, or similar, compared to being fat and fat all the time.

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I have a feeling of troll

if not…

[quote]jbc07665 wrote:
Still kind of n00b but anyways…

I feel very uncomfortable with my gut and figure losing 15 lbs or so will make it go away. However I don’t want to look anorexic!

so Do I have enough muscle to at least look decent?
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Nope, sorry buddy. you’re 5’8 160 with a high BF%. That’s bad news. Follow these steps:

1.Stop cutting
2.Pack on muscle
3.Cut when 200lbs+
4.???
5.PROFIT!

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Fat (past being well cut) never makes a man look better. I disagree with the argument that you would look worse on losing the fat.

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that wasnt quite what i meant, however i admit i didnt word it particularly well