Enough Cardio?

Hey. I just started lifting again last week and I am following the Total-Body Training
The 3-day-per-week, full-body workout plan
by Chad Waterbury

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=508031

I lift on Monday, Wed, and Friday. I always walk on the treadmill with varying incline for about 30min at 3mph after every work out.
I’ve tried jogging but it cause leg pain (a combination of being overweight and poor form). On my off days I do a 3mile walk and 30min on an elliptical machine?

Is this a good idea? Should I scrap the cardio on lifting days? Or does it really matter.

My goal is to build muscle and burn fat. My diet is pretty good shape, I am just concerned about the cardio. I want to make sure I am getting enough and not overdoing it.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I would suggest ditching the steady state cardio all together and doing some sort of interval training (aka., HIIT) on your off days, as its vastly superior to steady state in changing your body composition.

On your lifting days (especially right after lifting with sufficient intensity), it’s unlikely that you will have enough energy left to complete a proper HIIT session.

Doing some ~15mins or so of steady state after your TBW session is not a bad idea, but its more of an active recovery method (shortens your recovery time) and won’t have a big impact on fat loss or anything.

The most important factor is neither lifting nor cardio but diet.

Also, doing too much cardio will have a negative impact on muscle gains.

[quote]Petrichor wrote:
I would suggest ditching the steady state cardio all together and doing some sort of interval training (aka., HIIT) on your off days, as its vastly superior to steady state in changing your body composition.

On your lifting days (especially right after lifting with sufficient intensity), it’s unlikely that you will have enough energy left to complete a proper HIIT session.

Doing some ~15mins or so of steady state after your TBW session is not a bad idea, but its more of an active recovery method (shortens your recovery time) and won’t have a big impact on fat loss or anything.

The most important factor is neither lifting nor cardio but diet.

Also, doing too much cardio will have a negative impact on muscle gains.[/quote]

i’m not in good enough shape for full blown HIIT. Would LIIT be sufficient (walking – jogging intervals)?

If you’re trying to lose fat, start of on the low side of the cardio spectrum. When your fat loss starts to plateau, then add in some more.

Otherwise, if you start out like a madman hitting the treadmill everyday, when your fat loss stalls, you’ll have nothing to manipulate (other than starving yourself, and that just ain’t fun).

Apply this same philosophy to your caloric intake.

[quote]Petrichor wrote:
I would suggest ditching the steady state cardio all together and doing some sort of interval training (aka., HIIT) on your off days, as its vastly superior to steady state in changing your body composition.

On your lifting days (especially right after lifting with sufficient intensity), it’s unlikely that you will have enough energy left to complete a proper HIIT session.

Doing some ~15mins or so of steady state after your TBW session is not a bad idea, but its more of an active recovery method (shortens your recovery time) and won’t have a big impact on fat loss or anything.

The most important factor is neither lifting nor cardio but diet.

Also, doing too much cardio will have a negative impact on muscle gains.[/quote]

I completely disagree. Because you are overweight and suffer from leg pain when you run, you should avoid HITT or intervals. You should instead maintain a consistent 70% heart-rate for about 30-35 minutes two to three times per week.

I also disagree that you should not do this on work-out days. It is by far better to do so after a work-out, as after such you have depleted almost all your glycogen storage and thus most of the energy you expend during this cardio session is fat.

my goal is to lose body fat. my body fat is way to high.
when i was jogging before, i stopped working out because the jogging was causing leg pain. so eventually, I ended up heavier than before.

the walking – jogging intervals doesn’t cause me pain, but I didn’t know if it would be sufficient.

I’ve been told that it’s all about expending calories. So why does it matter if it do in interval trainging or steady pace cardio?

HIIT is probably not right for now. Your goal right now should be to burn calories. Low-Moderate intensity is the way to go right now. Walking-jogging is probably ideal right now and as you are able start increasing intensity. Listen to you body.

As you improve you may benifit from HIIT. It creates an afterburn effect that allows you to burn calories long after the exercise is over. It’s a good way to jack up your training after you start to plateau.

Walking/Jogging and the Ellipticals are perfectly fine. Feeling pain in your legs, shinsplints, ache in hips and knees is normal, so stick to light impact cardio when you do it on your off days or 10-15 min after weight sessions. You’ll have to pace yourself as your body changes, high impact cardio such as running and sprinting will become more effective and enjoyable as you lose more non-helpful weight.

You can do HIIT on cycles and ellipticals though. For a beginner as yourself I’d recommend a 10 second 1 minute interval. 10 seconds almost as hard as you can go (speed wise) and 1 minute jogging pace ( conversation pace where you can talk and exercise ). Switch back and forth for 5 minute-10 minutes. Done.

If 10 seconds is not challenging enough try (15-30) seconds hard, 1 minute conversation pace.

  • All done on ellipticals and cycles.

So : Stick to cycles/ellipticals,stairmachine,row machine for cardio.

As you feel better initially do 1-2 track/sidewalk walk/jogs a week. Jog as long as you can then walk until you feeel right as rain. Then Jog again as long as you can then walk til you feel right as rain. It gets kind of meditative as the whole time you want to be paying attention to how you feel and your surroundings because when your moving at the pace of slow, there is nothing to do but enjoy breathing and your surroundings. Don’t do more then 1/2 a mile to a mile for at least 1 month.

simple guide to high intensity interval training.

2 speeds
-90% your maximum ability
-50-60% - this is a general figure, this equates to as strong of a pace as you can manage for your ( rest pace vs the 90% )

Timing :

30seconds on 30 seconds off
ON = 90%
OFF = 50% ( will use that as base )

those percentages are your own personal ability to push yourself to your own 90% not to a stopwatch and a 40yard length course okay? your own personal 90%. your own 50%.

Other timings if that is too strenuous you can build up to that.

time variations.

  • 15 seconds ON, 30 seconds Off

  • 15 seconds ON, 45 seconds Off

  • 30 seconds ON, 1 minute Off

Either way sprinting more then 30 seconds will generally lower your total time able to continue intervals.

Generally I may do this for 5 min get water and do it again, getting water every 5 min and resting 1-2 min.

Or I’ll do it 5min, water, 10min, water 15 min, water.

Or I’ll do it 20min intervals,5-10min cool, then water - then repeat for about an hour.

20 min or 60 min or 2 hours. They’ll all help it really comes down to how much time you have, and how many calories you want to quickburn, also energy levels, fatigue, rest you had prior.


You do cardio 3 times a week you’ll notice the difference, you do it 20 times a week you’ll notice the difference. It’s mainly the type of cardio and quality. If you can only do 5 min of Hiit a day that is good enough but within 2-4 weeks make it 10 minutes. Then 15minutes then 20 minutes.

Oh ~ if your experiencing aches and pain in your legs from running jogging. Most commonly shin splints, you want to give your body at least a week to heal, though test runs never hurt.

My personal preference right now is ellipticals and jumpropes.