Emily's About-Time Training Log

Kids are so awesome for getting unfiltered feedback in that regard. You KNOW exactly where you stand when it comes to a kid telling you something, and that can be for good or for ill.

That said, my kiddo had this cute tendency to flip their adjectives around. They would emphasize the effect of the action vs the action itself. Where this really manifest itself was, whenever they referred to someone as strong, they called them “heavy”, because they were expressing how they must be able to move heavy things because they are so strong.

So when my father-in-law moved a heavy object out of the way and my kid said “Wow Grandpa you’re REALLY heavy!”, we had to explain the compliment, haha.

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You won’t rest until you get me to do a woo thing, lol.

I actually tried walking with kids back when I worked with them. We had a small park in front of our offices. Unfortunately, I’m too ADHD for that to work - too many distractions and I’m a fast walker, so I have to make an effort to pace myself.

But meditating in the busy, multi-building parking lot? Hahaha.

Ha! I’m sure your FIL was happy to hear the explanation. I love (LOVE) talking to kids for this exact reason. They’re just so interesting and sometimes wise and always pretty funny. People would react with “oh that’s gotta be hard” when I worked with kids, but for the most part I spent my days laughing and having cool, interesting conversations. (Though it was hard, because they didn’t deserve the stuff they were dealing with. But in a global, eats-at-you way, not in the individual moments.)

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I find walking during Big Conversations can work well: because you’re not face-to-face it is less intense. You don’t have to maintain eye contact and it doesn’t feel as confronting.

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The guy that ran my Yoga Teacher Training called everything a meditation - shower meditation, eating meditation, etc . . .

He was a bit of an ass.

I think you can have different circles for different situations, just like you don’t wear a business suit to the gym or shorts to the presentation stage.

Awesome to see you just keep finding new ways of making it all work!

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That’s like the real meditation skill though.

Anybody(*) can meditate in a calm, quiet, distraction-free space.

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I like the car for this, personally. I enjoy conversations with my husband hiking, but those are more likely to happen when we’re stopped and just enjoying the forest. More like “hey, we should go back to Bar Harbor this summer” than sorting out conflicts. (I assume we’ve moved from therapy to family-type interactions - therapy isn’t confrontation or avoided eye contact. I don’t take people for walks in the parking lot of the hospital’s outpatient clinics, lol.)

I’m trying to remember who it is that has recently popularized the idea of washing dishes (etc) mindfully, which removes the negative emotion and makes it part of a loved life. Anyway, I don’t disagree, but at the same time I’m not sure the desirability of a cleared mind and passive, accepting attitude as an ongoing state, which seems to be the direction you’re inclined to go. I like chaos and chatter and laughter more than I like peace. I’d say I’m looking for 80/20. I wonder what you see your best balance as being? And yours, @LoRez?

Completely agree. I would like a real life gang of workout enthusiasts, but have been waiting for years for that. A new nurse practitioner started at work yesterday and is in good shape, and may be around my age (hard to tell, because she’s in good shape). I’m really hopeful about her. She’s in the office right next to mine. I’m trying to be cool - I don’t want to go all 9 month old labrador retriever on her and freak her out.

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Friday, June 7
Weight 147.9
Average calories: 1616
Steps: 11,648 (It’s the end of the school year, so people are canceling appointments with me and I have a lot of time to wander the parking lot. Doubt this step count is sustainable, but we’ll see.)

I have my physical at 11. I’ve taken a look at my labs, and they’re not what I’d hoped they would be. Still, I feel good, so there’s that.

Wednesday did 30 minutes LISS on the TM. Tried a couple of sprints (my back has been buggy) and they went okay.

Thursday 40 minutes TM, with 10 min of sprints and a few KB swings. That all went fine, too, so both sprints and swings are back on the menu.

Feeling good about this:

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Judith Orloff wrote of washing dishes in slow motion in her book Empath’s Survival Guide, but I am not sure if that is to what you are referring.

I would not say passive is my desired path, but rather less angry, less competitive, less ego. I feel my default programming/conditioning is egoic and competitive with the mistaken notion that in order for me to win, others have to lose. That others are rivals to be attacked and crushed. The mindfulness allows me to head off that programming before acting on it (ideally).

You are good at the whole asking questions thing.

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That’s really funny. If she’s new, she’s looking for best friends too: it’s meant to be!

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I think as long as you don’t start with butt sniffing, you are probably okay.

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I feel like I’m the (*). Meditation is not my forte. My mind refuses to shut up (sort of like my mouth…) Lol.

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Wow, I have a lot to say here. I was thinking it through this morning after dropping my kid off for school. I’ll try to be concise. (Later note: I failed at that.)

To me, these are all different things:

None of those need be linked to the other.

Likewise, I think how those relate to the dichotomy of “chaos and chatter and laughter” and “peace” is also a separate concern.

Mindfulness is really just a skill to be developed. It doesn’t require that things be calm or you be accepting or loving, or that your mind is clear. It’s really about developing the ability to bring greater observation and awareness; not quite, but almost like improving “focus”.

Some of it is simple, but not easy. While sitting, can you clearly observe the way a chair pushes against your body? Is it a clear sensation or pretty muddy? Can you feel the strong contrast between where the chair is and isn’t pressing against you?

Until you’ve developed the skill of observing physical sensations in a calm environment it’ll be hard to do it with any other distractions. There are poetic things like feeling the sun on your skin, or the brush of the wind, but all the mundane sensations are equally valid.

Once you’ve learned to observe that more clearly, you learn to observe without interacting. You can feel where something’s uncomfortable (you may not have noticed how uncomfortable it was before) but you don’t change anything.

Eventually you can learn to observe these sensations clearly while in the middle of a mentally engaging conversation, or other activity – and do so without it distracting you or changing your behavior.

A typical starting point in the Taoist/Daoist traditions is watching the breath. It takes awhile to learn how to pay attention to the breath, and to feel it clearly in different parts of your body – your nostrils, your sinuses, your upper back, your diaphragm. To be able to answer questions: Is your breath high in your chest? Is it low in the belly? Is there some tightness in the throat?

Then you train the skill to observe… without changing anything. At first it’s really really hard. You think “I’m trying to feel my breath passing through my sinuses”, and end up breathing a bit heavier and differently so you can feel it. The skill is to not change anything, but still feel it.

You can then build on that and watch what your breath does in various other situations, calm, heated, active, etc. Observe but don’t change it. And don’t let the act of observation change anything else. If you’re excited and animated, observe what’s happening to your breath, but don’t let it affect your excitement.

From there, that skill leads into observing aspects of the mind. When you think or feel something, try to see if you can observe exactly where that’s coming from. Observe, but don’t analyze. See if you can catch the thought at the moment it arises, and watch how it develops and affects you.

You can, of course, mentally take notes. And you can analyze it later and make changes etc. Obviously there can be value to that. Therapy.

Mindfulness is not the only skill, though. Learning to use intention to interact/influence things is a later skill, after you have that foundation.

This already is too long, so I think I’ll basically stop.

What I do want to get across though is: mindfulness is just developing the ability to observe things crisper and clearer. It doesn’t mean you accept it and don’t judge it or love it or even like it. Instead, just learn to clearly observe that you’re judging it, and hate it… and do it while also being physically, mentally and emotionally overwhelmed.

As far as the other words, I don’t think “accepting”, “cleared mind”, “passive”, “non-negative emotions” are necessarily things to strive for. Nor that peace and quiet is fundamentally better than chatter and activity. Yin and yang, literally. They’re both real and neither should be denied.

Given that I have two young kids with lots of energy (3 and 5), and emotional dysregulation issues with the older one, plus extra-curricular activities and home-cooked meals every night… I do prefer a bit more peace and quiet in my external world when I can. Fortunately since I work from home, I have a bit more control over that.

My internal world is pretty active and busy though.

(I do occasionally calm things down to work on things like “observing the breath” and some “walking mindfulness”-ish stuff.)

To put some numbers to my preferences of active/calm… externally, probably 30/70, internally 90/10.


There’s one other bit I wanted to unpack in all of this: this idea of chasing calm/quiet.

There’s a kind of mythological idea of the lone Eastern monk going off into the mountain forests, seeking peace and quiet on the quest for truth and enlightenment. There’s similar Western ideas of doing the same, to get closer to God.

As a contrasting idea, there are many Taoist/Daoist lineages where the goal is to integrate rather than separate. Monks will start out isolated at a monastery to learn the basic skills, but then be sent back into society to further their development. You’re only getting half of the experience if all you chase is calm.

Same! It’s super difficult for me, and certainly doesn’t last long.

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I went WAY too Freudian when I read that…

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Guess I should reword that :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Mine too. In an idyllic situation, thats when the monsters come out.

A friend of mine says thats the stuff that needs attention.

I do best with rythmic motion and different tones of constant noise- bike, airdyne, car rides. Wind and waves.

Most certainly, and also it’s the stuff that I don’t want to give any attention to. Because ignorance is bliss, right?

@EmilyQ - yes, as a matter of fact I am a mess and likely in need of more therapy than I can afford and quite possibly some medication. But on the plus side - I’m super self-aware. Lol

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Awesome response. I kept mine short because I have already spouted enough woo woo in my woo woo thread, but it is interesting to read you write exactly how I feel about mindfulness - see my recent post about a Vipassana retreat.

Side note, I do a verse of the Tao a few times a week on TikTok, mainly to help myself integrate the verses, did not realize that you were similarly influenced.

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Yeah! I use other strong emotions to blot out the ones I don’t want to feel. Like, I used to get into bar fights and other adrenalin inducing activities. Or dark humor and bravado when the SHTF with my heart.

I’ll do almost anything to avoid feeling ways I don’t want to. Almost.

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