So… how bout them there Eleiko barbells?
[quote]debraD wrote:
In Glasgow? Do they have bumpers and platforms?
When I was there I couldn’t find a place to lift that had bumpers. But I was staying with family that had no internet or even a phone book and they weren’t much help… “Weights? I think your cousin doogie has one o’ they wii-fits in his flat…”[/quote]
They have pretty much everything. It’s a superb facility. Not open to the public however. Which is a blessing in all fairness
If you ever need any more details feel free to PM me
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
[quote]kakno wrote:
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
I suck and the bars at my club suck WORSE. My max dead is at 455# and you should see how this wet piece of spaghetti shit bends[/quote]
Bars that bend a lot allow you to deadlift more.[/quote]
Bars that bend alot are TERRIBLE for deadlifting. Bar whip is ideal for movements that require a rebound, like the clean or a snatch, but terrible starting from the floor.
Deadlift bars are amongst the stiffest of all. You want enough bend that the bar starts a little higher, but not enough so that the weight takes ages to get moving.[/quote]
Why do you post authoritatively about stuff you obviously know nothing about?
Okie Power Bar:
Length: 7’ 1 5/8"
Diameter: 1 1/8"
Okie Deadlift Bar:
Length: 7’ 6 7/8"
Diameter: 1 1/16"
Texas Power Bar:
Length: 84"
Diameter: 28.5MM
Texas Deadlift Bar:
Length: 90"
Diameter: 27MM
Deadlift bars are longer and thinner. Anyone who has ever used one knows that if flexes more. The higher you can get it before all the weight gets off the ground, the easier. And yes, it makes a huge difference.
[quote]kakno wrote:
So… how bout them there Eleiko barbells?[/quote]
THe Eleikos are not only accurate in weight to a high degree (they make competition and training sets that have different ranges), have lots of flex, but they also balance the weight rotationally.
[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:
Why do you post authoritatively about stuff you obviously know nothing about?
Okie Power Bar:
Length: 7’ 1 5/8"
Diameter: 1 1/8"
Okie Deadlift Bar:
Length: 7’ 6 7/8"
Diameter: 1 1/16"
Texas Power Bar:
Length: 84"
Diameter: 28.5MM
Texas Deadlift Bar:
Length: 90"
Diameter: 27MM
Deadlift bars are longer and thinner. Anyone who has ever used one knows that if flexes more. The higher you can get it before all the weight gets off the ground, the easier. And yes, it makes a huge difference.[/quote]
Cool story bubba.
Now, where did I ever say that deadlift bars are thicker than power bars?
Hell, if you got whatever it is that crawled up your sissy against me, you’d have read the post where I linked to both bars at EliteFTS, showing how Deadlift bars are thinner than power bars.
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
Cool story bubba.
Now, where did I ever say that deadlift bars are thicker than power bars?
Hell, if you got whatever it is that crawled up your sissy against me, you’d have read the post where I linked to both bars at EliteFTS, showing how Deadlift bars are thinner than power bars.
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No, you’re the fucking idiot that claims flex in a deadlift bar is bad, and that a good deadlift bar is stiff.
Deadlift - Flex is good
Bench, Squat - Flex is bad
But I probably don’t know anything about deadlifting
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
1:35, that’s why. Now shut up about it.
Hot fuck I just watched a 5 minute video about steel bars.
Stupid thing is I liked it.[/quote]
Here’s an even longer one you may find interesting.
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
[quote]alexus wrote:
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]alexus wrote:
bars that bend alot are TERRIBLE for deadlifting - because you can’t deadlift with a bar that bends. if you load lots of plates on a bendy bar you aren’t lifting the whole barbell-weight system from a DEAD stop at all - you are lifting the two inner weights, then the next two weights, then the next two weights… incrementally. you can INCREMENTALLY lift a lot more than you can DEAD lift. that is why COMPETITION DEADLIFT bars SHOULD be stiff as fuck and the plates should be small and heavy, too (to PREVENT the weights from lifting off the floor 2 at a time).
there is no baby bear ‘not to stiff not too bendy’ on this one. not if you want it to be a DEAD lift.
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That’s not true at all…have you ever heard of “pulling the slack out of the bar”? Works much better on a bar with some bend. And the way you describe lifting a loaded bar (2 plates at a time? WTF?) makes me think you’ve never deadlifted before.
Deadlift bars are longer from collar to collar & thinner in diameter to encourage bend in the bar. Not as much as an olympic bar, true, but definitely not stiff with no give.
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reference??
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Deadlift bars are very stiff, they have very little give. Their is an elekio deadlift bar in my gym and i’ve seen the powerlifters load the bar to 300kg and very little slag in the bar. [/quote]
Deadlift bars aren’t supposed to be stiff. Note the comments in Scott Yard’s log here about when he switches to a federation that doesn’t use a specailty deadlift bar:
http://asp.elitefts.net/qa/training-logs.asp?qid=146977&tid=128
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]alexus wrote:
i’ve seen people load up the eleiko olympic bar with fat bumpers and lift the bar incrementally where the plates visibly leave the ground two at a time.
i was told to watch people lift the weights two at a time by an international level olympic lifter, actually (who was of course pissy that people would do that with the sacred fucking barbell).
i don’t give a rats ass whether or not you think i’ve deadlifted before… because that really isn’t relevant to the truth / falsity of what i’m saying…
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i have of course heard people talk about pulling the slack out of the bar. i thought that was about them appreciating that the significant majority of people don’t get to train with the best / optimal bar for the task.
if you have a link to knowledgeable people saying otherwise i’d love to see it…
deadlift bar vs bar that is stiff with no give. is there a bar that is designed to be stiffer with less give than a deadlift bar? what is that bar designed to be used for?[/quote]
Yeah whether or not you’ve performed this lift is relevant to the veracity of your statement, because here you are making all these strong claims about what IS and what ISN’T a deadlift (lol so if the bar bends, its not a deadlift but an ‘incremental’ lift?? I rest my case…)
Unless you’re talking about the truck wheel lifts on WSM, the weights never leave the ground apart from each other…the BAR bends, not the collars on which the plates are located. I’m definitely not that knowledgeable about the deadlift, go ahead post this in the PL forum and ask them. They will agree with me, and be able to explain it in better terms than I could.
As far as stiffer bars go, they would be used in competition for bench press & squat, where the slack is not advantageous to the lift.
Again, it’s not something I can explain WHY it works, just that I’ve tried it on a couple different bars and for some reason I can deadlift a little more on a bar with some give to it. My guess? It allows for a better set-up position.
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Your reasoning about why a bar with some “give” allows you to lift more is correct. By haveing the bar bend, you are effectively shortening the range of motion before the weight comes off the ground. It effectively makes the first few inches (often the hardest part for many people) easier as you only need to use enough force to bend the bar, not actually lift the weight.
Whether that is a legit thing to do or not is open for debate… like just about every other difference between federations.
[quote]Barge wrote:
Deadlift - Flex is good
Bench, Squat - Flex is bad
But I probably don’t know anything about deadlifting[/quote]
Holy shit that’s you. Very impressive. Please post more often.
Yes that is my fat self. I did use straps though 
[quote]Barge wrote:
Yes that is my fat self. I did use straps though :P[/quote]
I think above 700 is about the time when anyone hating on straps just looks ridiculous. Awesome lift, 700+ pull is a lifetime goal of mine.
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[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
You get what you pay for. You are paying for both Quality and the NAME. But think about it before you buy if you don’t plan on beating the hell out of the bar with near max weight or slamming it to the ground then you can go cheaper.[/quote]
I think you meant beyond max weight.[/quote]
No I meant Near max weight. If the bar can hold 1000lbs and you do one deadlift (example I know its still alot of weight) you still may not need the best of the best bar. But if you are training with 700+ lbs of squats or cleans (yeah I know alot of weight) and tje bar is bending with each rep. I can cause more damage over time.
Or I could be wrong :-)[/quote]
I don’t think it does work like that TBH. A bar will bend thousands of time with a specific load and it will never cause damage, much in the same way you can stretch a piece of elastic over and over, BUT, if you stretch it beyond it’s capability then it will be irreparably damaged.
Elieko bars are superb and will last a lifetime with minimal maintenance. Our club has at least a couple that are 20-years old and have been used 4x week for probably millions of reps, as have some of the plates. If I was to buy a bar for weightlifting it would definitely be an Elieko, whether new or second hand (it would DEFINITELY be second hand) 
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wanted to chime in here as a mechanical engineer-
sorry to tell you but you are wrong. its called fatigue. It is a phenomenon where metals yield after repeated loading of loads less than their yield stress. Steel does have the goodman line, but that is well below its yield stress.
it is a phenomenon that has to do with the grain structure of metals. Every time you load it, grain boundaries move slightly. over time, grain boundaries line up over large portions of the material. if enough grain boundaries line up, a load below yield strength will cause a crack to start at these lined up grain boundaries. once a crack is formed it propagates at loads below yield strength. when a crack has formed, a proportionally smaller amt of material now has to carry the load. as the crack gets bigger the amount of material left to carry the load is reduced. eventually the load you use that is under the original yield strength of the material will cause yield because the actual amount of material left to handle the load is smaller than the original amount- this increases the stress in that region. the stress gets higher as the amount of material is reduced. so a load that is lower than than the original load strength of the bar because there is less material than originally there to handle the load.
moral of the story, bars can most definitely fail at loads less than the maximum load through repeated sub maximum loading through fatigue. If that load is below the goodman line of STEEL (only) it wont. If it is above the goodman line but less than the maximum load it will fail over time.
I, however, cannot comment on design practices of bar makers.