[quote]WolBarret wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
1:35, that’s why. Now shut up about it.
Hot fuck I just watched a 5 minute video about steel bars.
Stupid thing is I liked it.[/quote]
1:35 gave me an erection.[/quote]
Well that shit me up.
Mayeb the barbells are worth it.
But i think the curl bar is $799,
Now unless the Avengers work at your gym i don’t think anyone will be laoding more than 80-90lbs to each side of a curl bar.
[quote]alexus wrote:
i’ve seen people load up the eleiko olympic bar with fat bumpers and lift the bar incrementally where the plates visibly leave the ground two at a time.
i was told to watch people lift the weights two at a time by an international level olympic lifter, actually (who was of course pissy that people would do that with the sacred fucking barbell).
i don’t give a rats ass whether or not you think i’ve deadlifted before… because that really isn’t relevant to the truth / falsity of what i’m saying…
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i have of course heard people talk about pulling the slack out of the bar. i thought that was about them appreciating that the significant majority of people don’t get to train with the best / optimal bar for the task.
if you have a link to knowledgeable people saying otherwise i’d love to see it…
deadlift bar vs bar that is stiff with no give. is there a bar that is designed to be stiffer with less give than a deadlift bar? what is that bar designed to be used for?[/quote]
Yeah whether or not you’ve performed this lift is relevant to the veracity of your statement, because here you are making all these strong claims about what IS and what ISN’T a deadlift (lol so if the bar bends, its not a deadlift but an ‘incremental’ lift?? I rest my case…)
Unless you’re talking about the truck wheel lifts on WSM, the weights never leave the ground apart from each other…the BAR bends, not the collars on which the plates are located. I’m definitely not that knowledgeable about the deadlift, go ahead post this in the PL forum and ask them. They will agree with me, and be able to explain it in better terms than I could.
As far as stiffer bars go, they would be used in competition for bench press & squat, where the slack is not advantageous to the lift.
Again, it’s not something I can explain WHY it works, just that I’ve tried it on a couple different bars and for some reason I can deadlift a little more on a bar with some give to it. My guess? It allows for a better set-up position.
…
I tried to find the quote… Pretty sure I got it from something I read on this website…
The idea that if you don’t fully reset between reps for deadlift (if you use momentum to bounce it off the ground) then it isn’t really a DEADlift anymore.
Maybe I simply generalized from that that if it wasn’t a the whole thing moves or nothing moves at all lift then it wasn’t a DEADlift.
The collars bend like the sleeve bends. That’s why they test BOTH for elasticity with the Eleiko barbells…
ah yes it is coming back to me now…
in reducing / removing the DEAD aspect (all or nothing and that frightful moment of you pulling and pulling and pulling and the bar not fucking moving AT ALL)
you remove that which is PSYCHOLOGICALLY so fucking demanding about the lift.
you make it EASIER.
it is EASIER to bounce the weight with momentum.
or to pull the weight incrementally a little bit at a time (positive reinforcement without the frightful pulling and nothing moving feeling)
YOU post about it over on the powerlifting forum and see what people have to say if you are going to call me ignorant. i double dare ya.
what i mean by ‘it is not a deadlift’ is that anyone who does that is a cheater mccheaterson
:-p
(there might be reasons for cheating… but it bloody well is!!)
Alexus ftw!
http://www.flexcart.com/members/elitefts/default.asp?cid=211&m=PD&pid=529
vs
http://www.flexcart.com/members/elitefts/default.asp?cid=211&m=PD&pid=378
Check the specs.
[quote]alexus wrote:
I tried to find the quote… Pretty sure I got it from something I read on this website…
The idea that if you don’t fully reset between reps for deadlift (if you use momentum to bounce it off the ground) then it isn’t really a DEADlift anymore.
Maybe I simply generalized from that that if it wasn’t a the whole thing moves or nothing moves at all lift then it wasn’t a DEADlift.
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So these aren’t deadlifts? Cool.
[quote]alexus wrote:
ah yes it is coming back to me now…
in reducing / removing the DEAD aspect (all or nothing and that frightful moment of you pulling and pulling and pulling and the bar not fucking moving AT ALL)
you remove that which is PSYCHOLOGICALLY so fucking demanding about the lift.
you make it EASIER.
it is EASIER to bounce the weight with momentum.
or to pull the weight incrementally a little bit at a time (positive reinforcement without the frightful pulling and nothing moving feeling)
YOU post about it over on the powerlifting forum and see what people have to say if you are going to call me ignorant. i double dare ya.[/quote]
Disregarding the fact that ‘no deadstop = no deadlift’ is a completely bullshit argument that was surely pushed by a shill writer to get attention on his shitty article and that the top deadlifters in the world regularly train touch 'n go, how did this go from bar thickness and whip to touch n go vs deadstop?
I’m pretty sure noone else even brought this up.
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
http://www.flexcart.com/members/elitefts/default.asp?cid=211&m=PD&pid=529
vs
http://www.flexcart.com/members/elitefts/default.asp?cid=211&m=PD&pid=378
Check the specs.[/quote]
I want
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
[quote]alexus wrote:
I tried to find the quote… Pretty sure I got it from something I read on this website…
The idea that if you don’t fully reset between reps for deadlift (if you use momentum to bounce it off the ground) then it isn’t really a DEADlift anymore.
Maybe I simply generalized from that that if it wasn’t a the whole thing moves or nothing moves at all lift then it wasn’t a DEADlift.
[/quote]
So these aren’t deadlifts? Cool.
[/quote]
What a cheater! He should be banned for life!! I’m sick and tired of this bullshit.
[quote]alexus wrote:
what i mean by ‘it is not a deadlift’ is that anyone who does that is a cheater mccheaterson
:-p
(there might be reasons for cheating… but it bloody well is!!)[/quote]
lolwut?
well it is like bouncing the weight off your chest when benching, isn’t it?
in a comp you pull from a dead stop.
in a comp you pause on the chest (same thing again - break the stretch reflex)
like i said there might be reasons for cheating
there might be training benefits.
using boards to shorten the ROM for benching is cheating
but it surely has its utility.
what i mean by ‘cheat’ is that you don’t get to claim the amount of weight shifted via those methods as a PR any more than you get to count a high squat as a PR.
i mean sure if you want to you might use touch and go and talk about your touch and go rep PR…
but you aren’t comparing that to your dead stop PR - are you?
did you get stronger… or did you change the nature of the fucking lift??
are peoples feelings hurt because i’m calling them on their deadlift PR’s??
how much can you lift with a stiff vs bendy bar? how much do you get out of the bendy bar? or have people forsaken the stiff bar altogether?? you better not be using the oly bar god damned you…
i guess the wonderful thing about powerlifting…
is that any federation can make up whatever they want.
i mean there are plenty of feds where ‘squat’ is ‘half squat’ and somehow that gets to be okay…
lift with whatever bar you want…
sounds like agreement that it is much harder (less weight will be moved) pulling with a stiff bar from a deadstop than can be moved with a bendy bar.
[quote]alexus wrote:
are peoples feelings hurt because i’m calling them on their deadlift PR’s??
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Not hurt, just bewildered by the direction your rants took.
Bending bar or bouncing reps is not cheating.
cheating is relative to goals.
i was kinda kidding with the cheatermccheaterson comment. only heard that for the first time recently. cheatermccheateron lmfao i’ve been looking for an excuse to use that ever since.
cheat reps can be all kinds of useful - so i didn’t meant to disparage.
i just meant…
that if one is comparing ones deadlift to anothers deadlift (for the purposes of competition or whatever) then it would make sense to standardize how bendy the bar was - yeah? because otherwise the person with the bendy bar would have an advantage over the person with the stiff bar. or ditto for bouncing. i mean if you can drop that sucker hard enough from high enough the weight really will lift itself.
whenever i venture over to get a life… it really is time for me to walk away from the compter…
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
[quote]want2getlean wrote:
[quote]alexus wrote:
I tried to find the quote… Pretty sure I got it from something I read on this website…
The idea that if you don’t fully reset between reps for deadlift (if you use momentum to bounce it off the ground) then it isn’t really a DEADlift anymore.
Maybe I simply generalized from that that if it wasn’t a the whole thing moves or nothing moves at all lift then it wasn’t a DEADlift.
[/quote]
So these aren’t deadlifts? Cool.
[/quote]
What a cheater! He should be banned for life!! I’m sick and tired of this bullshit.[/quote]
do you think he could do the same number of reps with a full pause between reps?
my guess is either ‘no’ or ‘he will have gotten stronger if he can do so’.
so to COMPARE what he is doing to someone doing DEADlifts for the purposes of COMPETITION would be cheating.
of course he isn’t doing that. he isn’t intending to do that. so of course i am not saying or implying that he is cheating. i’m also not saying or implying that what he is doing is worthless. might well be the fastest way to increase deadlift. whatever.
if your reading comprehension went up…
you might find the amount of bullshit you find is on the decrease…
I don’t know if this means I failed at sarcasm or that you failed at detecting it.
Somebody failed.
That’s for sure.