JOJ definitely comes out the winner in that video.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
blades wrote:
I remember in the beginning of cost of redemption ronnie says he is using the same weights as in the off season he said he was 285 and in the off season was 310.don’t get me wrong I’m a huge ronnie fan but I think he loses this battle but like everyone is saying he trained totally different than stan so we will never know.and also the raw bench is held at 715 by scot mendelson I don’t think white will get 700.just my .02
Ryan Kennelly I think did a few pounds more than Mendelson on the raw bench not too long ago. I’ll have to look.
Edit: I can’t seem to find what I was looking for. Maybe it was something else. [/quote]
I thought Kennelly didn’t bother with raw-benching (at comps) ?
If anyone has a chance of out-doing Mendelson, it’s probably him though…
Hoornstra got 700 for a single in the gym and he’s much lighter than the above two. I hope he’ll do that in competition soon.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
And they better act fast. Universal will snatch him the second Stan manages to bring his arms up.
I was just gonna ask if he needed to bring up his arms compared to the behemoth that is the rest of his body, or if it was me being a dumbass.
Thank you
Looks like he has high triceps. I mean…REALLY FUCKING BIG high triceps, but still high, haha.[/quote]
Yeah, but there’s more potential there… His shoulders are crazy, and I bet that’s the main reason for his impressive DB pressing strength (and vice-versa, perhaps). It’s hard to have a great chest, delts AND tris. At least one always seems to suffer unless you’re super-gifted in all three areas… The stronger muscles will just take over on most lifts.
Anyway, his arm thickness in general (biceps too) just doesn’t seem to match the rest of him. But then again, he still turned pro and he can lift like few others…
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
Clown Face wrote:
I little verbal battle between the two guys.
I loved Dave Henry’s face at the start its almost like he knows whats gunna happen. Or just laughing at the two guys. Cos of his 120lb curl video on youtube, as though he knows he’s stronger than both those guys on bodybuilding lifts (eg, other bodyparts…not just bench and deadlift)
You’d be surprised how many people can pin wheel the 120s. Not taking anything away from him of course. I’m just very sure Johnnie could outlift him on most movements.
Don’t forget that Dave competes at 202… Dave Pinwheeling the 125’s is a bit different from someone weighing 260-300 (like SM7 or me) pinwheeling the same weight or just a little more than that. 
Besides, I think Dave can put up some respectable number on most exercises, particularly considering his low bodyweight? He’s a DC trainee, so deadlifts and rack pulls etc are bound to be a staple of his rotation.
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I totally agree that Dave is extremely strong and it’s very impressive how strong he is at such a light weight. I was basically just commenting that I don’t think Dave could lift as much as Johnnie on many lifts whether it is benching to curls to squats as Clown Face was alluding too.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
And they better act fast. Universal will snatch him the second Stan manages to bring his arms up.
I was just gonna ask if he needed to bring up his arms compared to the behemoth that is the rest of his body, or if it was me being a dumbass.
Thank you
Looks like he has high triceps. I mean…REALLY FUCKING BIG high triceps, but still high, haha.
Yeah, but there’s more potential there… His shoulders are crazy, and I bet that’s the main reason for his impressive DB pressing strength (and vice-versa, perhaps). It’s hard to have a great chest, delts AND tris. At least one always seems to suffer unless you’re super-gifted in all three areas… The stronger muscles will just take over on most lifts.
Anyway, his arm thickness in general (biceps too) just doesn’t seem to match the rest of him. But then again, he still turned pro and he can lift like few others…
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Completely true…at least for me. I’ve got some pretty impressive delts and triceps for my overall weight/physique IMO and from what pretty much everyone tells me. And its because my delts and tris want to take over on just about any pressing movement. I’ve been having to do a lot of specialization and trying different techniques and such to try to get my chest to do the work…its still in the works - chest still sucks atm. lol
[quote]josh86 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
And they better act fast. Universal will snatch him the second Stan manages to bring his arms up.
I was just gonna ask if he needed to bring up his arms compared to the behemoth that is the rest of his body, or if it was me being a dumbass.
Thank you
Looks like he has high triceps. I mean…REALLY FUCKING BIG high triceps, but still high, haha.
Yeah, but there’s more potential there… His shoulders are crazy, and I bet that’s the main reason for his impressive DB pressing strength (and vice-versa, perhaps). It’s hard to have a great chest, delts AND tris. At least one always seems to suffer unless you’re super-gifted in all three areas… The stronger muscles will just take over on most lifts.
Anyway, his arm thickness in general (biceps too) just doesn’t seem to match the rest of him. But then again, he still turned pro and he can lift like few others…
Completely true…at least for me. I’ve got some pretty impressive delts and triceps for my overall weight/physique IMO and from what pretty much everyone tells me. And its because my delts and tris want to take over on just about any pressing movement. I’ve been having to do a lot of specialization and trying different techniques and such to try to get my chest to do the work…its still in the works - chest still sucks atm. lol
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Yeah, your arms and shoulders are looking pretty fucking swole dude.
I’m not the most advanced presser in the world, but I find if I turn the DB’s so they make the top of a triangle that points to my face, and actually watch my chest as I press, then my chest does most of the lifting. If it was a BB it wouldn’t be that wide of a grip either.
I can’t believe how good Stan is in front of the camera. Dude’s got some real charisma.
Regardless of how far he gets in pro bodybuilding he’s going to be damn popular.
FYI - it looks like Efferding went on Heavy Muscle Radio to call out JOJ/Ben White. I won’t have a chance to listen to it tomorrow but my guess is he went on tere trying to stir up some shit. I hope they let him enter.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
UtahLama wrote:
Cprimero wrote:
Forget Ronnie I’ve never seen any powerlifter or strongman do this:
-done three weeks after the Nationals and having been on a high rep Flex Wheeler program for the previous 6 months.
Unreal…just fucking unreal.
He’s got calves like me. Nice to know you can go pro like that…and those are some big fucking dumbbells. [/quote]
Christ what was even more impressive is him kicking them up, probably zapped a lot out of him. If he would have had them handed to him at the top. He def would have cranked out a lot more reps.
[quote]Carlitosway wrote:
Professor X wrote:
UtahLama wrote:
Cprimero wrote:
Forget Ronnie I’ve never seen any powerlifter or strongman do this:
-done three weeks after the Nationals and having been on a high rep Flex Wheeler program for the previous 6 months.
Unreal…just fucking unreal.
He’s got calves like me. Nice to know you can go pro like that…and those are some big fucking dumbbells.
Christ what was even more impressive is him kicking them up, probably zapped a lot out of him. If he would have had them handed to him at the top. He def would have cranked out a lot more reps. [/quote]
Agreed. That was why I stopped doing dumbbells…they only went up to 140lbs at my gym and kicking them into position was a full body workout in itself After three sets of that, you feel like you just finished a squatting marathon. You know for a fact nothing has been neglected when you can put that much weight into position for presses.
Why do you guys kick up dumbbells?
I used to do that but found that thrusting them up with my hips, arching my back and tucking your arms under them into a pressing position takes a lot less energy.
You can do this for DB overhead presses too.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Carlitosway wrote:
Professor X wrote:
UtahLama wrote:
Cprimero wrote:
Forget Ronnie I’ve never seen any powerlifter or strongman do this:
-done three weeks after the Nationals and having been on a high rep Flex Wheeler program for the previous 6 months.
Unreal…just fucking unreal.
He’s got calves like me. Nice to know you can go pro like that…and those are some big fucking dumbbells.
Christ what was even more impressive is him kicking them up, probably zapped a lot out of him. If he would have had them handed to him at the top. He def would have cranked out a lot more reps.
Agreed. That was why I stopped doing dumbbells…they only went up to 140lbs at my gym and kicking them into position was a full body workout in itself After three sets of that, you feel like you just finished a squatting marathon. You know for a fact nothing has been neglected when you can put that much weight into position for presses.[/quote]
Man I hate that shit haha, I do all my pre exhaust work then kick up the 120’s for shoulder press and I feel like I’m about to die by the time I get them into position. It makes me almost glad those are the heaviest we have because I’d probably rip my arm out trying to kick up something heavier when I’m at like a 90 degree angle, sucks.
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
Why do you guys kick up dumbbells?
I used to do that but found that thrusting them up with my hips, arching my back and tucking your arms under them into a pressing position takes a lot less energy.
You can do this for DB overhead presses too.[/quote]
You sound like someone NOT using 140lbs dumbbells or heavier. Putting them on your knees would be safer when using heavier weight and then leaning back with them.
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
Why do you guys kick up dumbbells?
I used to do that but found that thrusting them up with my hips, arching my back and tucking your arms under them into a pressing position takes a lot less energy.
You can do this for DB overhead presses too.[/quote]
DB Cleaning the bells into position stops becoming intelligent(or even possible) at a certain point.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:
Why do you guys kick up dumbbells?
I used to do that but found that thrusting them up with my hips, arching my back and tucking your arms under them into a pressing position takes a lot less energy.
You can do this for DB overhead presses too.
You sound like someone NOT using 140lbs dumbbells or heavier. Putting them on your knees would be safer when using heavier weight and then leaning back with them.[/quote]
Well, I’m using 110’s. And It’s 10x fucking easier than kicking them up to my shoulders. How does this change in 30lbs of weight?
edit - I say I’m 'using 110’s, I did them the other day for 1.5 reps, just to see what I could do, but I did get them into position without much difficulty.
[quote]red04 wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:
Why do you guys kick up dumbbells?
I used to do that but found that thrusting them up with my hips, arching my back and tucking your arms under them into a pressing position takes a lot less energy.
You can do this for DB overhead presses too.
DB Cleaning the bells into position stops becoming intelligent(or even possible) at a certain point.[/quote]
It is NOT cleaning them AT ALL.
You put them on your hips, you use leg drive and arch your back (like a powerlifter on a bench press), and at the same tuck your elbows under the DB’s to bring them to your shoulders.
So essentially you are thrusting them up instead of kicking them up.
You need to put a heavy weight behind your bench so it doesn’t slide backwards.
It is MUCH SAFER and EASIER than kicking them up.
I can get 110lbs to my shoulders on inc. db press EASILY, whereas before I took a lot of energy kicking up 80lbs.
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
red04 wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:
Why do you guys kick up dumbbells?
I used to do that but found that thrusting them up with my hips, arching my back and tucking your arms under them into a pressing position takes a lot less energy.
You can do this for DB overhead presses too.
DB Cleaning the bells into position stops becoming intelligent(or even possible) at a certain point.
It is NOT cleaning them AT ALL.
You put them on your hips, you use leg drive and arch your back (like a powerlifter on a bench press), and at the same tuck your elbows under the DB’s to bring them to your shoulders.
So essentially you are thrusting them up instead of kicking them up.
You need to put a heavy weight behind your bench so it doesn’t slide backwards.
It is MUCH SAFER and EASIER than kicking them up.
I can get 110lbs to my shoulders on inc. db press EASILY, whereas before I took a lot of energy kicking up 80lbs.
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I’ll say it one more time, you don’t do that with a weight over 130lbs unless you want to throw your shoulder out. There is a reason guys put the weight on their knees…and trust me, when someone is over 260lbs of solid muscle, I am going to think they know what they are doing.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:
red04 wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:
Why do you guys kick up dumbbells?
I used to do that but found that thrusting them up with my hips, arching my back and tucking your arms under them into a pressing position takes a lot less energy.
You can do this for DB overhead presses too.
DB Cleaning the bells into position stops becoming intelligent(or even possible) at a certain point.
It is NOT cleaning them AT ALL.
You put them on your hips, you use leg drive and arch your back (like a powerlifter on a bench press), and at the same tuck your elbows under the DB’s to bring them to your shoulders.
So essentially you are thrusting them up instead of kicking them up.
You need to put a heavy weight behind your bench so it doesn’t slide backwards.
It is MUCH SAFER and EASIER than kicking them up.
I can get 110lbs to my shoulders on inc. db press EASILY, whereas before I took a lot of energy kicking up 80lbs.
I’ll say it one more time, you don’t do that with a weight over 130lbs unless you want to throw your shoulder out. There is a reason guys put the weight on their knees…and trust me, when someone is over 260lbs of solid muscle, I am going to think they know what they are doing.[/quote]
Unless they just never tried this before.
OKay…kicking (actually kneeing) them up works…and obviously works well!!!
anyway…i’m not going to be humping some dumbells into position…when the original works just fine!
Back on subject - Ben White seems to be running his mouth about Stan (in response to Stan’s appearence on HMR) now and how he could beat him and JOJ. I hope someone puts up the 10 g’s Ben wants to compete against Stan. I really doubt Ben will be able to beat either of them, but then again he keeps saying no one has seen him deadlift. Ben also said his weight is up to around 280 right now.