Im about to start a bulking cycle. My last bulking cycle consisted of
400mg/Test c
250mg/ deca
150mg/ tren e
Dbol first 4 weeks
Added in mast E @ 250mgs 3 weeks into cycle
At week 5 dropped deca because i noticed my BP was a little high and replaced it with primo e @ 200mg
I kept running this cycle for a total of 12 weeks then dropped the tren, mast and upped primo to 600mg and kept running it with test at 400mg for about 8 more weeks tappering down primo and test untill i got to 200mg on both finally staying on TRT 200mg
I got really good gains from this cycle i was about 220lbs gained up to 233lbs my diet was on point eating up to 5000 calories a week mostly clean whole foods (cheat meal once a week) but always keeping within my calories.
This go around im 215lbs leaner and bigger than last pre bulk (even tho im 5 pounds lighter) ive kept most of my gains as i never stopped dieting or training plus TRT
My question is: should i run the same cycle does someone recommend a different cycle maybe something cleaner than deca and dbol. (Water retention)
Trying to grow but keep a leaner bulk
Stats are
6’0”
215lbs
At 3,700cals gaining about 1-2 lbs a week currently
TIA!
My go to for growing has been the following
300-500 test
400-600 EQ
150 deca
25mg/day proviron
50mg/day anadrol around week 8/9 or so when lifts stall. 5-6 weeks
AI as needed
I feel great. Never had any blood issues even at high doses.
You could so the same cycle with Primo but would def be a bit more pricey. Would def be in the 600-800mg/wk for me.
What do you think on using winny instead of anadrol. My only concern with anadrol is the progesterone issues
Im thinking of giving this cycle a shot
Week 1-16
600mg test c
600mg eq
25mg proviron
Only reason im running them that high is because my last cycle was about 1200mgs total and ive heard once youve ran a certain amount running anything less than that wouldnt be as beneficial any input on this?
Also what is the reason for deca in your cycle? Was it joint issues ?
They are totally different compounds. If your plan is to build I would use Tbol over winstrol.
I’ve never had any progesterone issues.
That is bro science but you do you. I’ve run 2 gram cycles and had just as much success on 1 gram cycles. Your diet and training really dictate your growth. There is a point of diminishing return going to higher doses.
If it were me running just EQ and test I would go 400test/900eq.
If your not gonna run deca you don’t need the proviron. It’s in there for additional DHT which is beneficial when running deca.
Deca is for muscle building. It has great synergy with test/EQ. It also helps with joint discomfort by pulling in a bit of water to the joint to keep it lubricated.
Bulking is trash… you can grow in a deficit… don’t go overboard with your eating. Excess calories don’t equal more anabolism or faster hypertrophy
Hypertrophy is stimulus driven not calorically… it’s so slow the corresponding energy “needs” to support it are also low. It’s demonstrable we can grow muscle in a deficit… is it optimal? No… but this “bulking” trash is silly because… to be quite technical… energy toxicity… a surplus… doesn’t lead to faster or more optimal hypertrophy outcomes rather fat / fluid gain.
I think a slight surplus over your TDEE is likely the best route. Meaning @ 300 calories or so.
Think of all the Pro’s we know that “bulk” for months only to come in a few pounds heavier with actual muscle… and how much muscle was lost during their inevitable cutting phase.
IMO, everyone with the aim to “bulk” needs to consider what the goal is and just how much FAT he is willing to burden himself with.
I “bulked” after every contest (not a tune-up contest.) My goal was to add muscle, yet never be more than 8 to 12 weeks out from a contest any time during or after the bulk. “Bulked” I demanded that I look like I obviously lifted weights regardless of what I was wearing.
The last thing you want to do is gain so much fat that you lose a lot of that hard earned muscle trying to lose that ugly fat that you added in your bulk.
This is a great technique rather than picking an arbitrary high caloric number and going with it. That’s how you get fat. Add 2-300cals and grow a little and when you stall you add a bit more. As you build muscle your TDEE will rise so you will need to increase cals.
The pros need to do this. Once you get to a certain point it’s harder and harder to put on tissue. It’s worth it to gain 25-30lbs or more to put on 5lbs of tissue.
Your first year training and then maybe again your first year on gear.
Other than that 2-5lbs per year maybe unless you are really pushing and have good genetics to build.
Their physiology is the same with the exception of superior genetics and high amounts of gear… the mechanisms don’t change, however… we see this by how little muscle they actually add even after “bulking”
Lee Priest would get over 300 pounds and come in like 5 pounds heavier at shows. Diminished returns at a certain point and hypertrophy is no faster or more efficient in a huge surplus as opposed to a slight surplus it’s looking like
It’s not energy dependent is why… it’s stimulus dependent. The CICO lacks nuance and often context.
The important point is it’s obviously not optimal to try to grow in a TDEE deficit BUT it definitely happens. And bulking is just silly at this point unless you just wanna add blubber