Jules is 1BMF.
One Bad Mother F@#$er.
Charles is OK too.
LOL SULLY!!
I really think I am more of a beeotch though-Jules
I’m not one to preach or do I like to have dogmatic beliefs. Whatever system works for you, so be it. For me, ETD is my main form of training.
The only problem I have with ETD is it makes me really arrogant in the gym. You cant help but to look at everybody great disdain.
With ETD, you have no tolerance for those at the gym that like to talk, sitting down for long breaks, and those like to yak ont their cell phones while working out.
This is the mind set of ETD - You get stronger physically, but also mentally. Getting through the brutal workouts really adds to once self confidence. Once you are done with your PR’s, you really feel a strong sense of accomplishment
Don’t be surprise to have people walk up to you after your done with your PR’s and say “Wow, that was really impressive.” This is the common reaction me and my parter get while training at Gold’s Gym in Venice or at Muscle Beach - The Pimp of ETD
[quote]Charles Staley wrote:
Hey Scotacus,
Sorry you’ve had a dissapointing experience with my system! EDT is indeed a superior system for improving body comp, and whether or not you experience increases in lean mass will depend a lot on genetics and dietary habits.
Just based on gut instinct, I’d suggest you try a hybrid approach, where you perform a core movement (squat, deadlift, chin, dips, bench, etc) using more traditional strength parameters (such as 10x3 of 5x5) , followed by an EDT approach for auxilillary lifts.
Hope that helps to provide some direction…
Scotacus wrote:
Is EDT conducive for mass gain? I have been using it for a couple of months and (combined with a specific nutrition plan) have experienced a reduction in BF% by several points, increase in energy (particularly after a workout), and strength growth (for example, my first DB press on EDT was a PR of 2475 lbs; my last PR was 3265 lbs.).
However, my arms remained at 14.5", which was disappointing, and while my chest, back, legs and abs were more defined, I did not notice much change in measurement.
My conclusion is that EDT is not for mass gain. If anyone has any insights, feel free to share them. I really enjoyed the program and the intensity. It was really fun to face the PR challenge each workout. I would really like to continue with it but my goals are changeing to mass gain.
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Charles, thanks for the feedback.
Dont get me wrong, I loved the system! The intensity and focus was truly inspiring. I really anticipated the workouts, and expect I will be incorporating some of the principles into other programs, if possible. Personally, I think this system ought to be revolutionary. And my form! My form improved so much.
It is interesting though to hear that EDT is also for packing on lean muscle. Perhaps I will approach again and pay more attention to my calories.
[quote]jackson44 wrote:
I’m not one to preach or do I like to have dogmatic beliefs. Whatever system works for you, so be it. For me, ETD is my main form of training.
The only problem I have with ETD is it makes me really arrogant in the gym. You cant help but to look at everybody great disdain.
With ETD, you have no tolerance for those at the gym that like to talk, sitting down for long breaks, and those like to yak ont their cell phones while working out.
This is the mind set of ETD - You get stronger physically, but also mentally. Getting through the brutal workouts really adds to once self confidence. Once you are done with your PR’s, you really feel a strong sense of accomplishment
Don’t be surprise to have people walk up to you after your done with your PR’s and say “Wow, that was really impressive.” This is the common reaction me and my parter get while training at Gold’s Gym in Venice or at Muscle Beach - The Pimp of ETD[/quote]
when is Charles going to reply and tellhim it’s EDT not ETD am I missing something???
[quote]Bearhawk wrote:
when is Charles going to reply and tellhim it’s EDT not ETD am I missing something??? [/quote]
It is his system and he can rename it anytime he wants. As long as he doesn’t call it Inno-Sport.
I did get the books and so far I have enjoyed them very much. I didn’t respond because your post was “last post to Tinman” or something like that, and I assumed you were just tired of screwing around with me.
Where my email went: the way I read your earlier post was an admin was checking it. All I did was click on “teamstaley”, click on email and fill it out and send it. I must have misunderstood the instruction.
Anyway thank you very much, sorry to ruin everyone elses fun, JOG please stay away from my door…
I have made a $100 dollar donation to the South Carolina Autism Society in the name of teamstaley as a way of saying thanx.
Would these combos work?
Dips -Chin
OHP -Shrug
Lunge - Hams curl
[quote]recarter77 wrote:
Put it this way-
When I started EDT, I was single. I’ve been on EDT for 3 Months, and been married for 2 months…you do the math. Not to mention, I slashed my bodyfat in half, strength gains through the roof, and I feel quicker than ever.
ps. now that I’m married, I can really use that prize pack. My wife owns half my pocketbook!!![/quote]
…“SLASHED YOUR BODY FAT IN HALF…”
Im currious what was your body fat and what is it now.
Could u pls give an example of how much your strength gains hav improved.
congrads on the marriage
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I did EDT and my numbers went up EVERY workout. Actually, I just got off of it today, trying to focus a little more on strength for a few months, then I will definitely go back.
Here was my rundown- Charles may want to criqitue it for a beginner
Workout A : 15 minute PR’s
-Squats Paired with Push Presses
-Bench Paired with Chin Ups
-Accessory work for biceps and triceps
Workout B : 15 minute PR’s
-Deadlifts Paired with Lat Raises
-Stiffleg Deads Paired with Weighted Dips
-Accessory work for Biceps, Shoulders
Basically I tried to get a good whole body workout in on each day. I would rotate on a Mon-Wed-Fri schedule and would try and start off at a weight that allowed me to get 30 reps. Once I was able to hit 40 - 45 I would up the weight to the 30 rep-range again.
Like I said, The numbers went up EVERY week, and I intend to go back to EDT after my strength cycle.[/quote]
How many weeks were you on EDT? I m curious ,how much did your numbers improve from week one to the last week.
A realise its a bit of a guestimate
I will admit that EDT is one of the better systems , the problem I hav with EDT , is that, if your in a commercial gym ; often , others will not wait for u to complete your 15-20 minutes of PRs’ using two pieces of equipment.
As we all know ,many beleive, that the minute your hands or ass leave the equipment ,its fair game.
Another problem is that , every now and again some pin head will ask what Im doing , only to reply( before answering) that I m doing to much work
[quote]SLG wrote:
Due to job, family, and martial arts training, I only lift 2x/week and I only do 2 PR zones per session. One of the exercises I concentrate on is the deadlift. I’m not a big guy, so I was only deadlifting about 165 lbs., for a total of about 60 reps in my PR zone.
One day I had some extra time, so I decided to see what my 1RM was. I took it nice and slow, just adding a few pounds here and there, with lots of rest between low-rep sets. To my amazement, I was able to deadlift a maximum of 235 lbs. That’s probably not a lot of weight to most of the people on this board, but I’m almost 38, that’s 65 lbs. over my body weight, and I’d never lifted that amount of weight before in my life.
That proved to me what Coach Staley has been preaching, that EDT works on maximum strength.
On top of that, I’ve found that EDT is the only program that’s actually fun, because you know exactly how many reps you need in exactly how much time. So you’re always competing with yourself, but when the workout is over, it’s over (great for someone like me who doesn’t have a lot of time). And if you have a crappy workout, all you have to do next time is beat your numbers to know that you’re back on track.[/quote]
I ve always wondered , is it better to compete with someone slightly better that you , or compete with oneself?
Ive noticed ,that out of my friends who played pro or almost pro hockey , that they were always trying to play with bigger and better players in the off season. And thats when they really improved.
i also remember high school basketball players really improving over the summer cause they played iwth university level players
[quote]Scotacus wrote:
Is EDT conducive for mass gain? I have been using it for a couple of months and (combined with a specific nutrition plan) have experienced a reduction in BF% by several points, increase in energy (particularly after a workout), and strength growth (for example, my first DB press on EDT was a PR of 2475 lbs; my last PR was 3265 lbs.).
However, my arms remained at 14.5", which was disappointing, and while my chest, back, legs and abs were more defined, I did not notice much change in measurement.
My conclusion is that EDT is not for mass gain. If anyone has any insights, feel free to share them. I really enjoyed the program and the intensity. It was really fun to face the PR challenge each workout. I would really like to continue with it but my goals are changeing to mass gain.[/quote]
What were some of your routines? My advise would be to stay away from isolation exersices.
If u want mass , its the basics. I dont care if these exersices are WESTSIDE FASHION OR EDT OR DINO TRAINING
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I think I’m confused. I thought that Muscle Logic recommended using core lifts like deads and squats rather than leg curls and presses, in order to get the benefits of multi-joint total body workouts.
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If deads and squats are not recommended, what are some good multi-joint alternatives for legs? What comes to mind are lunges and step-ups, but will they work the hamstrings? Any others?
[quote]Charles Staley wrote:
Thanks SLG, glad you’ve had a rewarding experience. I’d suggest using more traditional loading parameters for things like deads and squats however…for safety purposes. Then use EDT for secondary movements…
[quote]wesstangl wrote:
Scotacus wrote:
Is EDT conducive for mass gain? I have been using it for a couple of months and (combined with a specific nutrition plan) have experienced a reduction in BF% by several points, increase in energy (particularly after a workout), and strength growth (for example, my first DB press on EDT was a PR of 2475 lbs; my last PR was 3265 lbs.).
However, my arms remained at 14.5", which was disappointing, and while my chest, back, legs and abs were more defined, I did not notice much change in measurement.
My conclusion is that EDT is not for mass gain. If anyone has any insights, feel free to share them. I really enjoyed the program and the intensity. It was really fun to face the PR challenge each workout. I would really like to continue with it but my goals are changeing to mass gain.
What were some of your routines? My advise would be to stay away from isolation exersices.
If u want mass , its the basics. I dont care if these exersices are WESTSIDE FASHION OR EDT OR DINO TRAINING
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Pecs/Bi’s
- flat DB press/standing cheat-bar curls
- incline DB press/standing hammer curls
Lats/Tri’s
- bent-over bb row/standing DB behind-the-head extension
- seated rowing/pulley pushdowns
Quads/Hams
- back squats/stiff-legged deadlifts
- extensions/curls
(with occassional good-mornings)
It may have been more my diet, calorie intake may have been too low.
[quote]Scotacus wrote:
Pecs/Bi’s
- flat DB press/standing cheat-bar curls
- incline DB press/standing hammer curls
Lats/Tri’s
- bent-over bb row/standing DB behind-the-head extension
- seated rowing/pulley pushdowns
Quads/Hams
- back squats/stiff-legged deadlifts
- extensions/curls
(with occassional good-mornings)
[/quote]
that explains it
[quote]JOG wrote:
Scotacus wrote:
Pecs/Bi’s
- flat DB press/standing cheat-bar curls
- incline DB press/standing hammer curls
Lats/Tri’s
- bent-over bb row/standing DB behind-the-head extension
- seated rowing/pulley pushdowns
Quads/Hams
- back squats/stiff-legged deadlifts
- extensions/curls
(with occassional good-mornings)
that explains it[/quote]
Care to be less cryptic?
[quote]TINMAN WROTE:
I did get the books and so far I have enjoyed them very much. I didn’t respond because your post was “last post to Tinman” or something like that, and I assumed you were just tired of screwing around with me.
Where my email went: the way I read your earlier post was an admin was checking it. All I did was click on “teamstaley”, click on email and fill it out and send it. I must have misunderstood the instruction.
Anyway thank you very much, sorry to ruin everyone elses fun, JOG please stay away from my door…
I have made a $100 dollar donation to the South Carolina Autism Society in the name of teamstaley as a way of saying thanx.
[/quote]
Good Job TINMAN- this kind of thing inspires me. Someone gets a gift and in turn gives a gift…That is what it’s all about. Someone close to my family has Autism so that donation is a class act!-Jules
[quote]TINMAN WROTE:
I have made a $100 dollar donation to the South Carolina Autism Society in the name of teamstaley as a way of saying thanx.[/quote]
right on man
[quote]Scotacus wrote:
JOG wrote:
Scotacus wrote:
Pecs/Bi’s
- flat DB press/standing cheat-bar curls
- incline DB press/standing hammer curls
Lats/Tri’s
- bent-over bb row/standing DB behind-the-head extension
- seated rowing/pulley pushdowns
Quads/Hams
- back squats/stiff-legged deadlifts
- extensions/curls
(with occassional good-mornings)
that explains it
Care to be less cryptic?[/quote]
i am trying to be a butthole here. but life is too short for me to do that ALL of the time.
your movements could have been better. i can’t even tell what your split was from that, but i gather that those are three different days? three sessions per week? more info please …
examples:
you have the two most demanding movements paired up … squats and SLDLs. a nono in my book. AND both are (depending on your squat mechanics) hip dominant. (thus no quad dominant movement, ie a front or barbell hack squat)
you have two horizontal pressing movements and no vertical pressing
you have two horizontal pulling movements and no vertical pulling
no core work or auxilliary work and (imho) too much direct arm work
this would be better. perform each alternating for a total of 3 sessions per week, so week one A/off/B/off/A and week two B/off/A/off/B
Day A:
PR zone 1:
front squat
leg curl
PR zone 2:
chins
db bench press
PR zone 3 (optional):
tri
bi
Day B:
PR zone 1
SLDL
leg extension
PR zone 2:
standing military press
a row
PR zone 3 (optional):
ab
calves
Just a quick idea there.