Now my question is, how can I get to that point!? Bravo addresses the issue of flexibility, and obviously he considers it vital, so important that he wouldn’t give a black belt to someone without it.
The reason I post this is because I am at a loss. I have such poor mobility in my hips that I really struggle with Newaza in Judo due to it. Static stretching doesn’t seem to do the job. Any insight as to how I can, or anyone with this problem for that matter can address this, please share.
go grab his books or dvd’s they’re in there… I’ll post some a lil synopsis after I go grab my buddies copies tommorrow.
but basically Eddie said 30min a day
i might have to add this to my list of shit to accomplish
and fucking ay- look how much cool stuff is on submissions 101’s youtube site… i swear if you look around for enough shit you probably don’t need to buy dick lol
damn, rarely do i see the gogoplata broken down so well
This thread has motivated me to stretch.
And what the hell is a gogoplata? Is that a new Taco Bell combo?
I’ve found that partner-assisted stretching has helped me get more flexible in ways that I wouldn’t be able to on my own…just don’t be an idiot like I was a couple times and go too far.
You should only really use a little pressure from your partner to help you get you just a little past your current sticking point, anymore and you risk some serious injury.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
This thread has motivated me to stretch.
And what the hell is a gogoplata? Is that a new Taco Bell combo?[/quote]
A gogoplata is a shin choke that can be done from guard or from the mount. First of all, it requires a tremendous amount of flexibility and unless you can put your leg behind your head you cannot do it while rolling (or maybe not at all). It’s a huge part of 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu but Eddie didn’t invent it, he borrowed it from Nino Schembri. Eddie executes it from the New York position. Check the vid out. You pull your leg over your opponent’s head with your right hand (gripping the ankle) and choke him with your shin. You can push up on your heel with your right hand and hold your toes with your left or you can simply pull your opponent’s head down with two hands.
It has been used twice in pro MMA, both times by Shinya Aoki, once from guard and recently from mount (submissions101 youtube page explains both). Aoki trained at 10pjj and was a student of Eddie’s for a while. BJ Penn had the chance to do this in his fight with GSP but didn’t really try it.
Moral of the story: stretch at least an hour a day. PNF and static, ballistic is not important, it leads to injury and most BJJ instructors hate it.
[quote]Quinnthology wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
This thread has motivated me to stretch.
And what the hell is a gogoplata? Is that a new Taco Bell combo?
A gogoplata is a shin choke that can be done from guard or from the mount… It has been used twice in pro MMA, both times by Shinya Aoki, once from guard and recently from mount (submissions101 youtube page explains both)…[/quote]
Sorry, off topic but:
Didn’t Nick Diaz use it to submit Gomi in their fight, or was that some other manuver?
Yes you are right, sorry. i totally forgot about that. aoki did one from guard (first ever), then diaz did the second one on gomi then aoki just did the third one.
Thanks, good catch!
Nick used a variation of the gogoplata and you don’t have to be able to pull your leg over your head… its actually really easy to pull off with limited flexibility especially on wrestlers that like to stack you but are used to seeing triangles coming they damn near gogoplata themself.
you can simply pull your opponent’s head down with two hands
^thats what nick did.
I came up with another version of that where you pull down with one hand and the other hand is pulling down but its not on the outside (clinch style) but you slip it like an underhook underneath your leg that is by their neck so that when you squeeze your bicep is pushing your leg up and your hands are pulling their head down kind of a push/pull steering wheel motion.
It’s not a huge part of the 10th planet system but its kind of like their signature move you’ll see a lot of dudes attempt in MMA now. Cole Miller (i think) pulled it off in WEC or maybe that was someone else…anyway.
The rubber guard is the huge part of the system and basically if you can get your opponent in rubber guard there are a limited amount of ways for them to escape and a few ways for you to deal with each of those while there will always be variations excluding those slight adjustments eddie basically has a flow chart in each of his books that show you exactly what you need to do
kind of like how Nakamura had flowdrills when he taught shooto… and a lot of bjj schools have something similar…
example, if you get the armbar, and they try to escape, go to triangle, if they try to stack you look for the oma plata.
But eddies whole system is a LOT more comprehensive and accounts for damn near every opportunity your opponent will try to take advantage of.
It’s like a choose your own adventure book… from this position your opponent has only 3 options, you have two pathways from each of those options…but it has to be intuitive because there isn’t time to think.
But if you’ve drilled all the way through these positions you’re like 10 steps ahead already.
Thing is it’s not just rubber guard, he has a game specifically for the twister, darce choke (works great if you’re a sprawl and brawl type) for the half guard (top and bottom)and more AND they’re all connected.
it’s a pretty brilliant bjj derivative if you’re open minded. plus because most people haven’t seen it/experienced it they fall into it’s traps easier.
also unless you’ve drilled that shit A LOT it won’t be intuitive to you so most people just try to slap it on and cant set it up effectively…
I would definitely consider the gogo huge in 10pjj. It’s a signature move because it’s such a big transition move from new york. it’s always there as a threat when going for an omo, etc. it’s the first submission eddie teaches after the triangle from NY.
[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
for the half guard (top and bottom)
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this is what i’m actually most disappointed in. i was so excited to learn eddie’s half guard but am not satisfied with his arsenal of sweeps from the bottom.
old school never works for me because my opponents always know something’s up when i grab their foot, and he considers it his ‘go to’ sweep. i like half & half and half & twist, though, but i’m hoping he gets some more bottom sweeps from half guard.
i find it interesting how eddie, despite being dominant in the rubber guard, gives up his rubber guard all the time to change to half guard and then sweeps to across-side. such confidence and so dominant in no gi grappling.
www.thetwister.tv is the site where you can find lots of info on 10th planet jiu jitsu. Bravo is pretty unreal, and he seems like a great guy, because he does share a ton of his info for free.
And I believe Aoki’s gogo from the mount is actually called a locoplata. Maybe I’m mistaken, but I thought I heard that somewhere. Either way, it was incredible to watch, something like that happens rarely and seeing someone of his caliber do it effectivley is a giant step forward for submission arts as a whole.
Here it is: - YouTube FF to 5:40 to see it. You’ll need to watch the whole fight if you want to see the setup.
Right now I’m adopting what Bravo said and makign it a habit to stretch all day. I will continue with my nightly routine of stretches, and rather use it as an aid to the habitual stretching. Updates will follow.
I don’t have time now but you can find a downloadable version of Pavel’s “Relax Into Stretch” if you search enough. It is a quick read and very helpful if you are serious about increasing flexibility.
locoplata: http://www.jiu-jitsu.net/interviews/bravo/eddie2.jpg
just a variation made up by Eddie. much like armbar, guillotine, kimura, etc, a submission is called the same thing whether its set-up from guard, mount, or across-side.
also, if you could look for that download that would be amazing. i looked around but had no luck.
http://www.sekkinjutsu.com/Pavel%20Tsatsouline%20-%20Relax%20Into%20Stretching.pdf
Here it is comrades.
[quote]Quinnthology wrote:
I would definitely consider the gogo huge in 10pjj. It’s a signature move because it’s such a big transition move from new york. it’s always there as a threat when going for an omo, etc. it’s the first submission eddie teaches after the triangle from NY.
Xen Nova wrote:
for the half guard (top and bottom)
this is what i’m actually most disappointed in. i was so excited to learn eddie’s half guard but am not satisfied with his arsenal of sweeps from the bottom.
old school never works for me because my opponents always know something’s up when i grab their foot, and he considers it his ‘go to’ sweep. i like half & half and half & twist, though, but i’m hoping he gets some more bottom sweeps from half guard.
i find it interesting how eddie, despite being dominant in the rubber guard, gives up his rubber guard all the time to change to half guard and then sweeps to across-side. such confidence and so dominant in no gi grappling.
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Sounds like you’re going for the foot too slow or you just can’t hold it if you do get it.
if they move their foot away from you boom go to electric chair, most guys are hella inflexible so you can just submit from electric chair or if not pass to side control.
If your wrestling is good just go to dogfight… I can outwrestle most guys I’ve come into contact with (so far) once subs (and especially striking) are involved so I don’t care if he even has a wizzer, I might just go to dogfight cause i know I can stand and bang again, or I know from there I can outwrestle him into sidecontrol
but I can go from 1/2 guard to whip up to dogfight and usually get a darce off of that or get back up to my feet with ease, thats usually my “go to” if i get on my back.
anyway what i meant by “not a huge part” is that it isn’t an integral part of the entire system like lets say mission control or 1/2 guard those are like the begining of everything.
Thats like saying the armbar is a HUGE part of the brazilian jiujitsu. Sure it’s like the signature move but, “The guard” is what is a HUGE part.
[quote]mj_gk wrote:
Now my question is, how can I get to that point!? Bravo addresses the issue of flexibility, and obviously he considers it vital, so important that he wouldn’t give a black belt to someone without it.
The reason I post this is because I am at a loss. I have such poor mobility in my hips that I really struggle with Newaza in Judo due to it. Static stretching doesn’t seem to do the job. Any insight as to how I can, or anyone with this problem for that matter can address this, please share. [/quote]
i started doing yoga. it’s awesome for balance and flexibility training.
also, i did alot of heavy squats. at my highest i was doing 4 sets of 6 reps at 405. that made me real tight in my hips, so if you do heavy squats, consider changeing that too.
Joey how do you feel that your flexibility would have been if you were doing Yoga AND the heavy squats, do you think you would still have the same hip flexibility issues?
the electric chair is open from a failed Old School, as is of course Plan B, which often works, but my main goal from 1/2 guard is to consistently sweep to take side control. either way, it’s just an issue of experience, i just need to do it more and it will come. i really like the kamikaze calf crank, it’s deadly. i’m waiting for the day i get the apollo choke and sweep it for the across-side head/arm finish.
[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
Joey how do you feel that your flexibility would have been if you were doing Yoga AND the heavy squats, do you think you would still have the same hip flexibility issues?[/quote]
no i think i wouldn’t have tightened up as bad as they did. yoga makes your muscles grow lengthwise. plus, if you do what eddie bravo was showing and just stretch your legs all the time i think you should do alright.
plus the increase of blood circulation from yoga is good for recovery soreness.
personally, i switched to front squats because they weren’t as heavy but it’s a different workout. powercurls, tireflips, squat and press, i’m also trying sandbag training. it’s lighter on the legs but they’re all full body excercises that are awesome for fighting.
[quote]JoeyDestroy wrote:
Xen Nova wrote:
Joey how do you feel that your flexibility would have been if you were doing Yoga AND the heavy squats, do you think you would still have the same hip flexibility issues?
no i think i wouldn’t have tightened up as bad as they did. yoga makes your muscles grow lengthwise. plus, if you do what eddie bravo was showing and just stretch your legs all the time i think you should do alright.
plus the increase of blood circulation from yoga is good for recovery soreness.
personally, i switched to front squats because they weren’t as heavy but it’s a different workout. powercurls, tireflips, squat and press, i’m also trying sandbag training. it’s lighter on the legs but they’re all full body excercises that are awesome for fighting.
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I agree, I switched to only front squas for some time, though I’d throw in box squats as an assistance exercise to keep things balanced (especially if i wanted heavy p-chain work w/o having to pull)
Powercurl are great for clinch strength, I was pm’ing with another poster and I’m wiling to bet stonework would be as well.
