I have tried just about all of the ecdysterone products except for Zebutol because every time I have tried to order from them they are shut down for some reason or another.I have a feeling that they sell a phony product anyway.Bill Roberts is wrong with this one boys,it does work I have been taking it for over a year. It’s not as good as finasol or androsol but it is better than methoxy and prohormones.what I"ve been cyclying finasol 2 to 3 weeks and then ecdysterone for 4 to 5 weeks with very good results,I’ve only been losing about a couple of pounds when I’am off the finasol.Before androsol and finasol I just used ecdysterone and it worked better than any other supplement that I have tried and beleive me I have tried them all.If I had to rate the best supplements that worked for me and lets say finasol would be a 10 and androsol a 8 and ecdysterone-7,methoxy-5.You have to buy the right ecdysterone that is extracted from Rhaponticum Carthamoides. The best that I have used is Retibol from Atletika and Compound-2 from Advanced Labs-Ecdisten from Thermo Life and I have just bought some Ecdybol from Pinnacle.You can usually tell the more potent product because it will be in 10mg form instead of 100 or 200mg.Stay away from Syntrabol from Syntrax and S.A.N.'s version,it’s weaker and you have to take a shit load of it to see anything out of it,stay with the quality companies and the lower mg extract version.I respect Bill Roberts and follow his advice on every just about every thing he writes but he is wrong about Ecdysterone(Ekdisten version).You know there is a old saying that says you can learn something off the the biggest dummy sometimes,I have before and its kind of hard to swallow but it can’t kill you Bill.