[quote]browndisaster wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
frequency and protein synthesis is one of the main differences between training natty and assisted. people on this forum really like to down play the effects of these substances.
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The only reaspn we like to downplay the effects of those things is because too many people like making too many excuses and complaining too fucking much about why they can’t succeed/can’t work out harder than they already are/can’t eat enough to gain weight/have already hit their genetic peak at 17,19,22 years old and 180 lbs/can’t make time to go to the gym/how people lean over 200 lbs have to be on steroids etc etc etc. focusing on every damn thing except how it is ACTUALLY possible to succeed.
THATS why. Of course “those substances” are part of the scene for competitive bodybuilding at many levels, but it’s not like you can’t get jscked without them. So much fucking whining, thats why.[/quote]
For all the times I see this type of post, I actually don’t see a whole lot of non-troll(read: purposely saying that dumb shit to get people like you and X all riled up) posts containing really any of the above. I see far more posts like the one just a little above yours, that attempt to downplay the effects of steroids(“Yo bro I’m natty and I totally lift like Phil Heath, same volume and frequency and everything, in fact fuck it I’m on PLAZMA I do fuckin more than him bro”… oh darn, I’ve embellished).
The natural competitors on this board have time and again given their input on the subject and actually tend to side with the ‘defenders’ of assistance, assuring people that the way they have to go about things like contest prep and offseason are fundamentally different with regards to how much weight can be added/lost successfully, with very few exceptions.
I also rarely ever(and never from the ‘usual suspects’ like ryan, as silly as he can be sometimes) see posts that act as if non assisted lifters should just quit because they are doomed to a life of mediocrity and being small.
There have been multiple people on this forum(one who is unquestionably the most successful T-Nationer ever as far as bodybuilding goes, and others who are at the top of that crop) who have gone assisted because they made the realization that the goals they had set for themselves(ideal physiques, many of them non-pro) are just not possible without assistance or DECADES of work, the latter of which is impossible for someone in their 20s who perhaps has some vanity they wish to have that look for(god forbid).[/quote]
please don’t quote things I never said, its not a proper way to get your point across. If you read my posts, you can see that I wasn’t downplaying the fact that peds allow these guys to get far bigger and stronger, rather I was questioning the claims that training radically changes for natural vs assisted bodybuilders. I don’t think it does for bodybuilding; if you disagree, then a discussion with examples would be nice. I don’t see why you felt need to talk negatively about me or Biotest, especially considering the fact that you’re a level four poster.[/quote]
from a scientific standpoint for a natural unless you are very advanced, you should be training a muscle 2-3 times a week for optimal gains. muscle protein synthesis in naturals is only elevated 28-48 hours after training a muscle. however if you are on as much gear as the pros you are able to elevate protein synthesis for a much longer time. in other words you can have a very high volume workout and dont have to worry about lack of frequency.
