[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
if people saw what i ate in my cutting phase right now every day every meal their eyes would melt off[/quote]
go on…
edit: for the record i lost just under 15 lbs in about 5 weeks having 1/2 cup table sugar with whey pre workout, then eating sausage, bacon, chicken thighs etc and occasionally a chicken breast… and no they were not organic gress fed omega 3 blah blah blah
[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I just don’t understand the binary thinking in these threads.
It’s either frozen pizza every day or frozen pizza never.
My lifts are up, my weight is down, today is ‘eat whatever the Hell I want’ day.
Guess who’s gonna have some pizza?
<<— This guy is.[/quote]
if people saw what i ate in my cutting phase right now every day every meal their eyes would melt off[/quote]
Not just you. I try to avoid the topic as far as getting into specifics because anything I wrote will be twisted into “professor x told me to eat 10,000cals a day all from cheezeburgerz!!”.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I just don’t understand the binary thinking in these threads.
It’s either frozen pizza every day or frozen pizza never.
My lifts are up, my weight is down, today is ‘eat whatever the Hell I want’ day.
Guess who’s gonna have some pizza?
<<— This guy is.[/quote]
EXACTLY… People, let your progress (whether that be weight, bodyfat, muscle gain, strength gains) and how this reflects upon the CURRENT day dictate what you do and how you eat THAT day.
I’m with this guy. I’ll probably include pizza today, or five guys, or taco bell…or w.e. the else I fucking want today. Why? I let my progress and my current weight TODAY dictate my dietary decisions.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I just don’t understand the binary thinking in these threads.
It’s either frozen pizza every day or frozen pizza never.
My lifts are up, my weight is down, today is ‘eat whatever the Hell I want’ day.
Guess who’s gonna have some pizza?
<<— This guy is.[/quote]
if people saw what i ate in my cutting phase right now every day every meal their eyes would melt off[/quote]
Not just you. I try to avoid the topic as far as getting into specifics because anything I wrote will be twisted into “professor x told me to eat 10,000cals a day all from cheezeburgerz!!”.[/quote]
haha no matter what you say all they will hear is burger
and i will reveal what ive been eating after the cutting phase is done and let results speak for itself
[quote]illgixxer wrote:
Who here eats a frozen pizza everyday? Lately I’ve been eating a red baron 4 cheese pizza everyday. I used to eat almost strictly chicken, hamburger, and eggs, with a little broccoli and Surge Workout Fuel for carbs. Now I’m trying something different and trying to save money(being a college student)and you can’t really beat 1,340 calories(I think) for $2.98 at walmart. I usually have half pre workout and then after my workout I eat the second half right after my shake. [/quote]
4 cheese with no meat? Careful, you might turn into a fat vegetarian and start attending poetry readings instead of the gym.
[quote]2busy wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I just don’t understand the binary thinking in these threads.
It’s either frozen pizza every day or frozen pizza never.
My lifts are up, my weight is down, today is ‘eat whatever the Hell I want’ day.
Guess who’s gonna have some pizza?
<<— This guy is.[/quote]
I bet it won’t be a frozen pizza, LOL![/quote]
How much you wanna bet?
“OMG lyk fr0zn p33za is s00oo bad 4u”
Ingredients:
Really, folks, we’re talking wheat flour, yeast, cheeses, and vegetables on top (and some other pretty benign stuff). Sometimes I’ll even make some shaved steak to put on top.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]2busy wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I just don’t understand the binary thinking in these threads.
It’s either frozen pizza every day or frozen pizza never.
My lifts are up, my weight is down, today is ‘eat whatever the Hell I want’ day.
Guess who’s gonna have some pizza?
<<— This guy is.[/quote]
I bet it won’t be a frozen pizza, LOL![/quote]
How much you wanna bet?
“OMG lyk fr0zn p33za is s00oo bad 4u”
Ingredients:
Really, folks, we’re talking wheat flour, yeast, cheeses, and vegetables on top (and some other pretty benign stuff). Sometimes I’ll even make some shaved steak to put on top.
[/quote]
your gonna get fat dude and have a heart attack at the same second you eat 1 slice its just what happens
[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]2busy wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I just don’t understand the binary thinking in these threads.
It’s either frozen pizza every day or frozen pizza never.
My lifts are up, my weight is down, today is ‘eat whatever the Hell I want’ day.
Guess who’s gonna have some pizza?
<<— This guy is.[/quote]
I bet it won’t be a frozen pizza, LOL![/quote]
How much you wanna bet?
“OMG lyk fr0zn p33za is s00oo bad 4u”
Ingredients:
Really, folks, we’re talking wheat flour, yeast, cheeses, and vegetables on top (and some other pretty benign stuff). Sometimes I’ll even make some shaved steak to put on top.
[/quote]
your gonna get fat dude and have a heart attack at the same second you eat 1 slice its just what happens
[/quote]
Hi- This is SteelyD’s wife. He had 1 slice of the frozen pizza, got really fat, had a heart attack and died. There’s still 7 slices left.
Hi, this is D again-- No, really, I’m gonna have a kick ass bench session tomorrow.
The thing that people don’t consider before posting the knee-jerk ‘pizza make you fat’ posts are the goals of the OP.
This is the “Nutrition” thread- presumably comprising threads with people with all different sorts of goals and questions.
If I’m a skinny, poor college kid and I’m eating what I can and not gaining wieght, you bet your ass I’m going to pound down pizza like it was going out of style.
If I’m a powerlifter, more concerned with my 1RM at a meet than being able to see abdominal veins or striated glutes, you bet your ass I’m going to pound down some pizza.
If I’m on the Anabolic Diet, and it’s “carb up” day-- Pizza
If I’m “carb tolerant” and dieting, maybe I can eat pizza and get away with it.
If I’m 4 days out from a BB contest, I’m probably NOT going to eat frozen pizza.
A million people, a million different scenarios. Pizza (frozen or fresh) has its place SOMEWHERE.
To quote a popular 80’s sitcom character: “Don’ be re-deek-ulous”
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
The thing that people don’t consider before posting the knee-jerk ‘pizza make you fat’ posts are the goals of the OP.
This is the “Nutrition” thread- presumably comprising threads with people with all different sorts of goals and questions.
If I’m a skinny, poor college kid and I’m eating what I can and not gaining wieght, you bet your ass I’m going to pound down pizza like it was going out of style.
If I’m a powerlifter, more concerned with my 1RM at a meet than being able to see abdominal veins or striated glutes, you bet your ass I’m going to pound down some pizza.
If I’m on the Anabolic Diet, and it’s “carb up” day-- Pizza
If I’m “carb tolerant” and dieting, maybe I can eat pizza and get away with it.
If I’m 4 days out from a BB contest, I’m probably NOT going to eat frozen pizza.
A million people, a million different scenarios. Pizza (frozen or fresh) has its place SOMEWHERE.
To quote a popular 80’s sitcom character: “Don’ be re-deek-ulous”[/quote]
Well said.
Don’t forget “you will die from the SODIUMZ!!”
I can’t stand diet Nazis…and anyone who thinks we all respond the same to food is retarded especially if not taking goals into consideration.
Oh my GAWD, “wheat, flour, cheese and vegetables” will kill you now and keep from gaining “lean body mass”.
Would like to see pictures of Diet Nazis…and one of Diet Hitler if he is still around. Someone has to be leading this.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
The thing that people don’t consider before posting the knee-jerk ‘pizza make you fat’ posts are the goals of the OP.
This is the “Nutrition” thread- presumably comprising threads with people with all different sorts of goals and questions.
If I’m a skinny, poor college kid and I’m eating what I can and not gaining wieght, you bet your ass I’m going to pound down pizza like it was going out of style.
If I’m a powerlifter, more concerned with my 1RM at a meet than being able to see abdominal veins or striated glutes, you bet your ass I’m going to pound down some pizza.
If I’m on the Anabolic Diet, and it’s “carb up” day-- Pizza
If I’m “carb tolerant” and dieting, maybe I can eat pizza and get away with it.
If I’m 4 days out from a BB contest, I’m probably NOT going to eat frozen pizza.
A million people, a million different scenarios. Pizza (frozen or fresh) has its place SOMEWHERE.
To quote a popular 80’s sitcom character: “Don’ be re-deek-ulous”[/quote]
Well said.
Don’t forget “you will die from the SODIUMZ!!”
I can’t stand diet Nazis…and anyone who thinks we all respond the same to food is retarded especially if not taking goals into consideration.
Oh my GAWD, “wheat, flour, cheese and vegetables” will kill you now and keep from gaining “lean body mass”.
Would like to see pictures of Diet Nazis…and one of Diet Hitler if he is still around. Someone has to be leading this.[/quote]
Exactly. I think more people should think this way. For me, when I’m reading dietary advice from someone and it seems like what you are talking about (or any dietary advice for that matter)…the first thought that pops into my mind is: “What does this person look like?” That may seem simple or ridiculous, but I think it says a lot.
Of course, there are those with great genetics who look pretty damn good with dietary principles that basically ANYONE would agree on as being piss poor…this is the minority. Most guys who look good, are bigger than me (lol, most)…I assume that they got that way with hard work and sound principles. I listen to what they have to say…apply it and if it doesn’t work for ME…that doesn’t make it wrong…it just means I won’t do it anymore.
just for the record, i dont think anyone was saying that NO ONE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD EVER EAT PIZZA
just that there are better alternatives, IF YOU CAN USE THE ALTERNATIVE EFFECTIVELY (ie afford it, stomach it, whatever)
if i missed a post saying that, my bad… aside from the one guy talking about the sodium lol
Speaking of sodium, it’s so overlooked and underrated. IMO Serious weightlifters eating “clean” (no preservatives) should be using generous amounts of salt in all their meals unless ordered by a doctor not to do so.
I can actually tell when im not consuming enough salt in my diet.
The bottom line is that you shouldn’t make eating pizza an every day…or even every week thing if you want to get lean, look your best and be nutritionally sound. The exception “maybe” would be making your own pizza dough and topping it with fresh ingredietns like low sodium tomato sauce, fresh vegetables, herbs and very little cheese.
Pizza dough is pretty easy to make…water, whole wheat flour, a little salt and oil, and yeast. Of couse then you’ve got to let it rise and then let it proof in the fridge for as much as 12 hours! I’ve seen fresh “ready to use” pizza dough at Whole Foods. So all you have to do is form it, load it with whatever you want and bake it - done!
With all that said, I still don’t make my own, and in fact rarely have it…might have pizza once every 6-7 months (and it’s gotta be a healthy pizza from somewhere like Pizza Fusion).
[quote]greggavedon wrote:
The bottom line is that you shouldn’t make eating pizza an every day…or even every week thing if you want to get lean, look your best and be nutritionally sound. The exception “maybe” would be making your own pizza dough and topping it with fresh ingredietns like low sodium tomato sauce, fresh vegetables, herbs and very little cheese.
Pizza dough is pretty easy to make…water, whole wheat flour, a little salt and oil, and yeast. Of couse then you’ve got to let it rise and then let it proof in the fridge for as much as 12 hours! I’ve seen fresh “ready to use” pizza dough at Whole Foods. So all you have to do is form it, load it with whatever you want and bake it - done!
With all that said, I still don’t make my own, and in fact rarely have it…might have pizza once every 6-7 months (and it’s gotta be a healthy pizza from somewhere like Pizza Fusion).[/quote]
You know…some of us actually have the additional goal of being really really really big.
Your approach sounds like it is great for high schools, general fitness, and even most people in most gyms. That is a good thing.
It does not sound like you would be the person to go to if my goal was to fill out really big shirts.
Your goals are what decide the approach you take…and how lean you stay when getting there is nothing more than personal preference.
I am sure most people here have the goal of being big AND lean as a final goal…but few ever reach the big part being really restrictive with food intake.
I know I’m not just seeing things. If the restrictive approach worked so well, people would be getting way bigger, especially with the advancements in nutrition and protein lately.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
This is the “Nutrition” thread- presumably comprising threads with people with all different sorts of goals and questions.
If I’m a skinny, poor college kid and I’m eating what I can and not gaining wieght, you bet your ass I’m going to pound down pizza like it was going out of style.
If I’m a powerlifter, more concerned with my 1RM at a meet than being able to see abdominal veins or striated glutes, you bet your ass I’m going to pound down some pizza.
If I’m on the Anabolic Diet, and it’s “carb up” day-- Pizza
If I’m “carb tolerant” and dieting, maybe I can eat pizza and get away with it.
If I’m 4 days out from a BB contest, I’m probably NOT going to eat frozen pizza.
A million people, a million different scenarios. Pizza (frozen or fresh) has its place SOMEWHERE.
To quote a popular 80’s sitcom character: “Don’ be re-deek-ulous”[/quote]
This says it best. Doesn’t mean one is better than the next DEPENDING ON YOUR GOAL. That’s the bottom line.
I like how Steely posted an orgnaic type of pizza.
how about you post the ingredients of the actual pizza the OP stated. I know, I had one yesterday, when you’re done typing them all, get back to me. So, I’ll check in tomorrow 
lol
some of you big guys take an all or nothing approach. The OP said, “eating it everyday”… um hello, come on guys, even if you need 4500 cals/day, you don’t have to eat pizza EVERDAY to get that much.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I like how Steely posted an orgnaic type of pizza.
how about you post the ingredients of the actual pizza the OP stated. I know, I had one yesterday, when you’re done typing them all, get back to me. So, I’ll check in tomorrow lol
some of you big guys take an all or nothing approach. The OP said, “eating it everyday”… um hello, come on guys, even if you need 4500 cals/day, you don’t have to eat pizza EVERDAY to get that much.[/quote]
I didn’t agree with “everyday”…but I also know people who did eat like that in college and still had abs showing as they gained muscle.
The point again is that we are not all made the same…and many times, if the goal is HUGE, you will have to spend some time just working on size.
Most even responding against this are also not that big which goes with the point.
I have done tons of shit to get more calories down as far as foods eaten that I may not openly recommend to some newb…simply because I know not everyone can get away with that.
Just a tip, but I have eaten way more than just 4,500cals for long periods of time. That amount was not coming from chicken breasts. yeah, for the average person, getting LESS than 4,500cals a day is not impossible from “perfectly acceptable for a food nazi” food.
It’s gets a tad harder after that…and if you don’t have the funds and have more responsibilities than cooking and eating and lifting, it will likely not all come from grass fed beef (hey, if you can afford it, keep it up!!).
These issues come up because many people here don’t seem to understand a goal like that or they aren’t working towards it themselves.
There is a reason most of the guys afraid of a pizza wouldn’t exactly cause a wake of people to move out their way when walking by.
LOL
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I like how Steely posted an orgnaic type of pizza.
how about you post the ingredients of the actual pizza the OP stated. I know, I had one yesterday, when you’re done typing them all, get back to me. So, I’ll check in tomorrow lol
some of you big guys take an all or nothing approach. The OP said, “eating it everyday”… um hello, come on guys, even if you need 4500 cals/day, you don’t have to eat pizza EVERDAY to get that much.[/quote]
How about you realize that “frozen pizza” doesn’t just mean “tombstone” and “red baron”. Yeah, sure, there’s a bunch of shit and preservatives in there. Newman’s Own or Kashi is a better alternative if you’re worried about ‘shit’ in your pizza. It still boils down to your goals and what you can tolerate.
You can obsess over the details of the brand of pizza and belabor minutiae if you want, but the point is ‘frozen pizza’ can be as simple as dough, cheese, and sauce, or it can be filled with the shit that all the littlest guys lose sleep over.
Maybe the OP hasn’t looked beyond that one frozen food case. Maybe OP hasn’t taken 5 minutes to compare.
For an extra 50 cents to a dollar (ie. $4-5 pizza), you can have a pretty decent pie.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
people will find anyway to justify eating garbage. [/quote]
Look, here’s what this boils down to in all these goofy threads about ‘food’:
Pizza: Dough, cheese, sauce, meat (maybe)
Cheeseburger: Dough, meat, cheese, condiment
Cheese sandwich: Dough, cheese, condiment
Turkey sandwich: Dough, Turkey (meat), cheese (maybe)lettuce, condiment
Steak Sandwich: Dough, meat, cheese, condiment
I’ve successfully incorporated all these foods in my diet(s) for goals of gaining or losing. None of these are quite “Snickers and Potato Chips”
Is anyone’s head exploding yet?
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
how about you post the ingredients of the actual pizza the OP stated.[/quote]
http://www.redbaron.com/Modal-Nutrition.aspx?id=7dcc5f35-aef1-4eb0-b0d6-fc08d568f69f
ENRICHED FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR, MALTED BARLEY FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE, RIBOFLAVIN, FOLIC ACID)
TOMATOES (WATER, TOMATO PASTE),
LOW MOISTURE PART SKIM MOZZARELLA CHEESE (CULTURED PASTEURIZED PART SKIM MILK, SALT, ENZYMES),
WATER,
CHEDDAR CHEESE (PASTEURIZED MILK, CHEESE CULTURES, ENZYMES, SALT, ANNATTO [COLOR]),
VEGETABLE SHORTENING (PALM OIL, SOY LECITHIN, BUTTER FLAVOR),
SMOKE-FLAVORED PROVOLONE CHEESE (PASTEURIZED MILK, CHEESE CULTURES, SALT, ENZYMES AND SMOKE FLAVORING),
CONTAINS 2 PERCENT OR LESS OF: YEAST, SUGAR, SOYBEAN OIL, PARMESAN CHEESE (PASTEURIZED CULTURED PART-SKIM MILK, SALT, ENZYMES), MODIFIED FOOD STARCH, SALT, SPICE, MALTODEXTRIN, HYDROLYZED SOY AND CORN PROTEIN, ISOLATED CARROT PRODUCT, PAPRIKA, GARLIC POWDER, DOUGH CONDITIONER (WHEAT STARCH, L-CYSTEINE HYDROCHLORIDE, AMMONIUM SULFATE), ASCORBIC ACID.
OK, I’m not getting it.
Flour, Cheese, Tomato paste, water.
Granted, there’s some hydrogenated oil. Go look at the ingredients of this site’s protein bars.
People are really this dogmatic about pizza?
EDIT:
Whole pizza =
1520 Cal
72g Prot
64g Fat
160g Carb
2.8g Salt
