I think in the milo magazine said he did curls also!
[quote]shizen wrote:
I think in the milo magazine said he did curls also! [/quote]
And that’s why he only has an olympic silver medal. Pussy.
How incredibly jacked did he look the other day btw??? I never seen him so lean looking.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
shizen wrote:
I think in the milo magazine said he did curls also!
And that’s why he only has an olympic silver medal. Pussy.
How incredibly jacked did he look the other day btw??? I never seen him so lean looking.[/quote]
I was more a fan of dmitry klokov in the 105kg class in terms of physique I would want. He looked crazy, this is older picture but still good idea of how jacked he looks.
Hey he also benches, its the russian secret!
Klokov and Chigishev are training partners. I’m betting that is a freakshow. Klokov looks like he would punch a hole through your chest and eat your heart if you got between him and a loaded bar.
Klokov is a big softy off the platform.
Did he cry, while holding a stuffed animal, at the award ceremony?
Damn…
His head didn’t explode at the moment, so there is a chance for him to forget all the girly stuff and then win some more medals 
[quote]Hercules Gym in Dublin.
Probably the best powerlifting gym in the country (number one lifter in both tested and untested fed, number one and two junior in the country too. AND we train with the same gear that they run the IPF world champs on - Leoko plates and bars, ER racks), and it’s not badly equipped with weightlfiting stuff either (2 Eleiko training bars, a womans bar, 2 platforms and about 500kg worth of bumpers)[/quote]
Many thanks for the info. I’ll check it out.
After watching the 105k+ final, I have a new lifter to follow.
At 275lbs and lean, Chigishev just looked like a beast. Super fast and strong to boot. That bench was retarded easy.
Monopoly
what a beast!!!
[quote]elih8er wrote:
Well, do they clean and press anymore?.. No. It has little if any carry over into the snatch or jerk. Keep in mind just because there is a video of Chigishev benching doesn’t mean they train the bench regularly either. He could be just fucking around…[/quote]
What I’ve heard from a few people that have seen both the Russians, Bulgarians, and Chinese train, they have said that it appears now that the lifters are doing much more assistive training (at least the Russians and Chinese, but the Bulgarians are doing mmore now than just the contest lifts).
Ironically, both Russia and China have added things like Bench, Deadlift, Rowing lifts, various overhead rack presses, and dare I say, single joint isolation exercise like tricep and bicep work. The question has risen if they one this year at the Olympics if they won because of or in spite of the assistive work?
My personal feeling is that things are very cyclical. For the past 20 years or so, specificity was thing and was demonstrated with precision with the Bulgarians. Prior to that, the Russians dominated with a system based around assitive work and training deficiencies.
I think things are rolling back to the assistive system again. Lifters are clearly starting to look much bigger as a result, at least in the upper body, so it wouldn’t shock me if the Russians work benching in at least once a week into their training.
Ironically, I think the exact reverse is taking place with Powerlifting. For the past 20 or so years, the Westside system has dominated and lifters spent a lot of work on assistive exercises to train deficiencies.
Now, from I can tell, guys are getting much more specific and training in the gear all the time and doing primarily contest lifts only with a few things here and there sprinkled in to round things out.
[quote]Dominator wrote:
My personal feeling is that things are very cyclical. For the past 20 years or so, specificity was thing and was demonstrated with precision with the Bulgarians. Prior to that, the Russians dominated with a system based around assitive work and training deficiencies.
I think things are rolling back to the assistive system again. Lifters are clearly starting to look much bigger as a result, at least in the upper body, so it wouldn’t shock me if the Russians work benching in at least once a week into their training.
Ironically, I think the exact reverse is taking place with Powerlifting. For the past 20 or so years, the Westside system has dominated and lifters spent a lot of work on assistive exercises to train deficiencies.
Now, from I can tell, guys are getting much more specific and training in the gear all the time and doing primarily contest lifts only with a few things here and there sprinkled in to round things out.[/quote]
So basically wha you’re saying is it doesn’t matter how you train!!
Obviously champions can be and have been produced both ways… Like you said, you’ll always have the people who’ll say that they’re suceeding in spite of the assistance work, but I don’t think anyone at a decent level themselves would say that, just the internet lifters!!
I have noticed a HUGE move away from westside style training to a more Sheiko based system in the last 6 to 12 months. I reckon progressive overload’s due for a comeback after Sheiko runs it course!
[quote]Hanley wrote:
So basically wha you’re saying is it doesn’t matter how you train!!
Obviously champions can be and have been produced both ways… Like you said, you’ll always have the people who’ll say that they’re suceeding in spite of the assistance work, but I don’t think anyone at a decent level themselves would say that, just the internet lifters!!
I have noticed a HUGE move away from westside style training to a more Sheiko based system in the last 6 to 12 months. I reckon progressive overload’s due for a comeback after Sheiko runs it course!
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Wow…of all the people, I would have thought you would have understood my point, but I guess you’re no different…
Training has to change as the lifter evolves and adapts, so you’ll always see things going from one side to the other with regards to training.
Ironically, as you state Sheiko is gaining more popularity with Powerlifting, I actually disagree, maybe here on these forums Sheiko is gaining popularity or notoriety, but the tops guys currently doing anything but Sheiko. I can tell you that the top Powerlifters are doing heavy geared doubles and singles…far from what Boris would recommend and more along the lines of what the Bulgarian OL team would do under Abadjiebv.
Does that mean Sheiko doesn’t have a place…not at all, just not with the top guys though, not at this time.
There is no one right program for anyone…all things and lifters adapt. The key is being to be able to identifying the change and adapting.
[quote]shizen wrote:
I think in the milo magazine said he did curls also! [/quote]
they are called soviet elbow bends and they do them regularly to prevent elbow dislocation. They did a study, back when the clean and press was in competition, and they had less injuries with the elbow bends in.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
Dominator wrote:
My personal feeling is that things are very cyclical. For the past 20 years or so, specificity was thing and was demonstrated with precision with the Bulgarians. Prior to that, the Russians dominated with a system based around assitive work and training deficiencies.
I think things are rolling back to the assistive system again. Lifters are clearly starting to look much bigger as a result, at least in the upper body, so it wouldn’t shock me if the Russians work benching in at least once a week into their training.
Ironically, I think the exact reverse is taking place with Powerlifting. For the past 20 or so years, the Westside system has dominated and lifters spent a lot of work on assistive exercises to train deficiencies.
Now, from I can tell, guys are getting much more specific and training in the gear all the time and doing primarily contest lifts only with a few things here and there sprinkled in to round things out.
So basically wha you’re saying is it doesn’t matter how you train!!
Obviously champions can be and have been produced both ways… Like you said, you’ll always have the people who’ll say that they’re suceeding in spite of the assistance work, but I don’t think anyone at a decent level themselves would say that, just the internet lifters!!
I have noticed a HUGE move away from westside style training to a more Sheiko based system in the last 6 to 12 months. I reckon progressive overload’s due for a comeback after Sheiko runs it course!
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both post quoted for truth. anybody care to post a good link that summarizes sheiko?
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
anybody care to post a good link that summarizes sheiko?
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I don’t know about a good link that explains Sheiko, but it’s essentially the Russian OLing system but for PLing, if you want a really stripped down explanation. The whole Sheiko thing is pretty hard to find direct info about…I was lucky that I knew someone who was very connected with the workouts and he gave me about 10-15 different preps to experiment with 6-7 years ago.
The crux of the system is that you train within the 75%-90% zones of intensity and for high volumes. It works because it drives up the lifters capacity to do work, but after that initial increase in capacity is trained, I find that the Sheiko system does little to further absolute strength, in fact, the numbers typically go the other way.
That said, there’s absolutely a place for Sheiko in the yearly plan, and I’d recommend for everyone to try them out to see how they work for their numbers.
Pavel’s overview:
martygallagher.com/training/training_more/117_0_8_0_M/
[quote]Cprimero wrote:
both post quoted for truth. anybody care to post a good link that summarizes sheiko?
Pavel’s overview:
martygallagher.com/training/training_more/117_0_8_0_M/ [/quote]
Interesting that Pavel thinks the system is influenced by Abadjiev…outside of frequency, there nothing similar about their approach, in fact, it’s almost the opposite.