[quote]Dave284 wrote:
Id say that with the same amount of body english that I use BB rowing, my single arm row would still be less than half.
Ive BB rowed 100kg x 12, but there is no fucking chance of my single arm rowing 50kg x 12. Mind you I guess it depends on what you mean by ‘single arm row’.
If I use DB’s I always use both hands and do them lying face down on a bench, I normally only get like 35kg x 12-15 pulled all the way up.
I cant see how lat strenght has ever affected my deadlift. Mid back strength certainly, however I find the best way to build this is definitely rack pulls.[/quote]
Matt Kroc has one-arm (cheat)rowed (with straps, obviously) 270*15 recently… Guess he won’t be doing that for 20 anytime soon (unless he bulks up), but still.
Try doing Kroc rows… I love them as a midback exercise (and for some reason my lats actually grew a bit from them, too)… Cheating is an integral part here but you can progress fairly fast on those and plateaus are few and far in-between.
If I could only do one upper-back exercise and had straps available along with a costum DB handle going up to well over 200 lbs, then Kroc rows would be my choice… Unfortunately you’re often limited by DB’s in the gym going up to 150-200 at most… And one can reach 200 surprisingly fast on this exercise.
Edit: Ok, you’re right about rack pulls of course. But hey, Kroc’s fry your midback and your lats to quite some extent… And you can just do deficit pulls, rev. hypers and SLDL’s/GM’s to get the low back and hamstrings.
Lots of people have trouble getting the weight off the floor/keeping their arch and rack-pulls don’t really help you much in that regard (at least from my experience).
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
I was kidding about the Pull-ups and Dumbbell Rows. I should have made the numbers more outrageous. I remember Wendler saying something in one post that if you didn’t have
A raw 1000X4 1-Board Press
A 900 Good-Morning
A 405X20 Walking Lunge
And some other absurd numbers, you were still weak.
I don’t need to tell you that I don’t know what a good row and chin number would be for a big guy. I know Andy Bolton does 225 dumbbell rows strapless, and he misses at the top of his deads.
But I think people sell themselves short a lot on upper back work. My, admittedly poorly executed, point was that you should have both chinning and rowing numbers that you can be proud of. If you’re Benedict Magnusson, maybe doing 5 chin-ups is something to be proud of.
I guess I should have stressed more that bringing up your hamstring strength will help your Deadlift more than Upper Back Work. It’ll probably help more than anything. [/quote]
You get rack pulls for lockout and upper back strength… If you pull with a rounded upper back and never bring your shoulders back and chest out after lockout then your rear delts and midback may become a problem zone (strength wise) though…
Btw, just browsing Kroc’s log… He did DB rows with 290*7.
So I guess I underestimated him before
Ive never tried Kroc rows to be honest. I might give them a bash when I go back to uni because the DB’s are heavier.
Its interesting to see how your deadlift sticking point changes. Im fine off the floor, I just stick at the knees at the moment. More of a lower back issue than anything else I think.
[quote]Dave284 wrote:
Ive never tried Kroc rows to be honest. I might give them a bash when I go back to uni because the DB’s are heavier.
Its interesting to see how your deadlift sticking point changes. Im fine off the floor, I just stick at the knees at the moment. More of a lower back issue than anything else I think.[/quote]
Well, you can’t rack pull all the time, so if want a break from those do kroc’s instead and really focus on the low-back/posterior chain movements at the same time…
If you have trouble getting the bar past the knees… How about lowering the pins on rack pulls (unless you already did) ?
Im in season for rugby at the moment so Im not pulling much at all. Any pulling I do is from 2 inches below the knee to try and sort this out! There are only a couple of games left so after that I ll be focusing on my deadlift a lot, I wanna hit 600lb during 2009.
[quote]Dave284 wrote:
Im in season for rugby at the moment so Im not pulling much at all. Any pulling I do is from 2 inches below the knee to try and sort this out! There are only a couple of games left so after that I ll be focusing on my deadlift a lot, I wanna hit 600lb during 2009.[/quote]
I see that you were kidding here. I was going to say… that would be a strength feat unto itself…
This is the heaviest chin I’ve ever seen, and I’ve witness a 130lb rock climber chin 155lbs though.
Impressive stuff. I would say that a 300 pound (total weight) pull up is very impressive. 400 pounds is just crazy.
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Most people can do a heavier chin-up than bench press (for me its 240 vs 205bw +110lbs) Why is it that many people (relatively) have benched 500 lbs, but a 500 lbs chin-up is unheard of? Is because of different physical limitations, or the fact that weighted chinning contests don’t exist?
