I just started doing the Sheiko program below:
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/Sheiko37.htm
and found that, as in the past, dumbell flyes are real tough on my shoulders, even with a pair of tens it felt bad. Any suggestions for exercises I should sub in instead? Cable crossovers? Maybe dumbbell pressing, or would that be too much pressing?
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
I just started doing the Sheiko program below:
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/Sheiko37.htm
and found that, as in the past, dumbell flyes are real tough on my shoulders, even with a pair of tens it felt bad. Any suggestions for exercises I should sub in instead? Cable crossovers? Maybe dumbbell pressing, or would that be too much pressing?[/quote]
Pec deck, just do 3/4 reps in the stretched position.
Just miss them out?
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
I just started doing the Sheiko program below:
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/Sheiko37.htm
and found that, as in the past, dumbell flyes are real tough on my shoulders, even with a pair of tens it felt bad. Any suggestions for exercises I should sub in instead? Cable crossovers? Maybe dumbbell pressing, or would that be too much pressing?
Pec deck, just do 3/4 reps in the stretched position.
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agreed, pec deck with limited range of motion…set the locks on it and u should b good to go…throw in some rotator cuff exercises just in case…
[quote]wheels wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
I just started doing the Sheiko program below:
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/Sheiko37.htm
and found that, as in the past, dumbell flyes are real tough on my shoulders, even with a pair of tens it felt bad. Any suggestions for exercises I should sub in instead? Cable crossovers? Maybe dumbbell pressing, or would that be too much pressing?
Pec deck, just do 3/4 reps in the stretched position.
agreed, pec deck with limited range of motion…set the locks on it and u should b good to go…throw in some rotator cuff exercises just in case…[/quote]
Pec deck is basically a machine bench press right, where you’re lying flat and the handles are fixed in place?
They’re talking about this: exrx.net/WeightExercises/PectoralSternal/LVPecDeckFly.html
I am actually have a similar problem. I am follow Arnold’s beginners program and doing dumbbell pullovers is extremely hard on my shoulders, I have been trying to find something to substitute them with and I hate dumbbell flies, or pretty much an isolation movement for that matter. Sorry to hijack the thread but i looks like your got your question answered, 
[quote]DanErickson wrote:
I am actually have a similar problem. I am follow Arnold’s beginners program and doing dumbbell pullovers is extremely hard on my shoulders, I have been trying to find something to substitute them with and I hate dumbbell flies, or pretty much an isolation movement for that matter. Sorry to hijack the thread but i looks like your got your question answered, :P[/quote]
I prefer machine pullovers - I use them as finishing exercise, but to be honest I don’t think pullovers are a particularly good exercise.
[quote]gdbear65 wrote:
DanErickson wrote:
I am actually have a similar problem. I am follow Arnold’s beginners program and doing dumbbell pullovers is extremely hard on my shoulders, I have been trying to find something to substitute them with and I hate dumbbell flies, or pretty much an isolation movement for that matter. Sorry to hijack the thread but i looks like your got your question answered,
I prefer machine pullovers - I use them as finishing exercise, but to be honest I don’t think pullovers are a particularly good exercise.
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Thanks for your reply. I think I will try barbell pullover instead of just ditching them all togeather. I tried the machine pullover the other day as per your advice and I can definetly see why you don’t think pullovers are worth anything after trying that piece of shit. I have noticed that there are bodybuilders who use barbell pullovers and have quality mass.
Pullovers, while still a pec move, are more of a Pectoralis Minor/Lat move than a Pec Major Move(which the dumbbell fly is). I can’t say that either move is very effective but I do Pullover Variations because I like them more. But whenever I think about how effective an exercise is in my routine, I usually ditch the Pullover in favor of a Pec-Deck Fly or a Machine Chest Press. Hammer Strength Machine Presses are a good Press/Fly hybrid. At least I think they are because I don’t feel anything but chest on the Hammer Strength Wide Press.
So Pec-Deck or Chest Press Machine (Preferably Hammer-Strength or Magnum Brand)