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I wanna know what are good numbers to hit drug free at 198-220 weight class. I see these 800 lb deadlifts 700lb squats and the people are claiming they are drug free. While i believe some may be drug free i just want to know what are decent numbers for a drug free lifter 198-220 class.

My current stats.
Squat-495
Deadlift-545
Sumo-475 working on it again.
Bench-355 touch nd go
335-paused.

I wanna know if these are good numbers for a drug free lifter. Not based of meets that say they test or anything. Just in general the average 198-220 lb lifter

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I have two friends. 21 and 22 years old. Both drug free. Both college students. Both have been lifting for years, but not entirely dedicated to powerlifting until recently.

Friend number 1 just competed at 165. Squatted 470, benched 350, deadlifted 505.

Friend number 2 just competed at 181. Squatted 500, benched 320, pulled 555.

I can’t tell you what “good” is, but those are two examples of young, drug free guys who have a lot of room to grow, are quite a bit smaller than you, and as strong/stronger than you in a number of lifts. So I would say, set your sights higher than “good,” because you have quite a lot of room to grow if you push yourself.

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This is generally my response to the “is this good” question

You will never know if someone is drug free or not. At best, you’ll know if they are drug tested, but even that is pretty meaningless. In my opinion, it’s better to simply ignore them and focus on my own goals.

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Wow some really strong guys. Thanks for sharing that. It means i gotta push my self harder.

And also good point pwnisher

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[quote]N.K. wrote:
I have two friends. 21 and 22 years old. Both drug free. Both college students. Both have been lifting for years, but not entirely dedicated to powerlifting until recently.

Friend number 1 just competed at 165. Squatted 470, benched 350, deadlifted 505.

Friend number 2 just competed at 181. Squatted 500, benched 320, pulled 555.

I can’t tell you what “good” is, but those are two examples of young, drug free guys who have a lot of room to grow, are quite a bit smaller than you, and as strong/stronger than you in a number of lifts. So I would say, set your sights higher than “good,” because you have quite a lot of room to grow if you push yourself. [/quote]
Equipped or I equipped?

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In single-ply ‘tested’ my best lifts as a 198 were 622/331/606 aa a 220 they were 652/341/606.

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Ecchastang - both unequipped. Friend 1 lifted in raw modern, wore knee sleeves for his squat, not wraps. Friend 2 was in raw classic, no sleeves or wraps.

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[quote]N.K. wrote:
Ecchastang - both unequipped. Friend 1 lifted in raw modern, wore knee sleeves for his squat, not wraps. Friend 2 was in raw classic, no sleeves or wraps. [/quote]
Thanks for clarification. Solid lifting!

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[quote]N.K. wrote:
I have two friends. 21 and 22 years old. Both drug free. Both college students. Both have been lifting for years, but not entirely dedicated to powerlifting until recently.

Friend number 1 just competed at 165. Squatted 470, benched 350, deadlifted 505.

Friend number 2 just competed at 181. Squatted 500, benched 320, pulled 555.

I can’t tell you what “good” is, but those are two examples of young, drug free guys who have a lot of room to grow, are quite a bit smaller than you, and as strong/stronger than you in a number of lifts. So I would say, set your sights higher than “good,” because you have quite a lot of room to grow if you push yourself. [/quote]

Friend 1’s total puts him in the top 15 in the country on PW at 165, which doesn’t distinguish between tested and untested.

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Wow DBasier, thanks for the info that’s pretty cool. I know a goal of his is to crack top 10 in the nation at his next meet, but I didn’t realize, and I don’t think he realized how close he already is. That is good to know, some good motivation haha.

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I’ve never competed but my gym bests at 200 lbs (chubby) are 610 back squat, 550 pull, and a 365 lb paused bench.

Plan to compete at 181 in the next 3 months.

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You need to compete if you hit them numbers at 181 it would be great.

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Raw Elite at 220 is 1551. 198 is 1471. You are pretty close to that so I would say you have good numbers under the conditions you have posed.

[quote]jkondash89 wrote:
I wanna know what are good numbers to hit drug free at 198-220 weight class. I see these 800 lb deadlifts 700lb squats and the people are claiming they are drug free. While i believe some may be drug free i just want to know what are decent numbers for a drug free lifter 198-220 class.

My current stats.
Squat-495
Deadlift-545
Sumo-475 working on it again.
Bench-355 touch nd go
335-paused.

I wanna know if these are good numbers for a drug free lifter. Not based of meets that say they test or anything. Just in general the average 198-220 lb lifter[/quote]

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[quote]jkondash89 wrote:
I wanna know what are good numbers to hit drug free at 198-220 weight class. I see these 800 lb deadlifts 700lb squats and the people are claiming they are drug free. While i believe some may be drug free i just want to know what are decent numbers for a drug free lifter 198-220 class.

My current stats.
Squat-495
Deadlift-545
Sumo-475 working on it again.
Bench-355 touch nd go
335-paused.

I wanna know if these are good numbers for a drug free lifter. Not based of meets that say they test or anything. Just in general the average 198-220 lb lifter[/quote]

My friend, those are very good numbers you have. Given your age, you have time to improve and really do well without the use of AAS. If you intend on totaling 2,000 lbs in the 198’s that would be a different story, in my humble opinion.

My best days came when I was 35 y.o. By that time, you have learned to train yourself and put the time in to climb the poundage ladder. I will caution you on this, the gains came slow in the final years to my best.

Stay focused and health; you’ll get there!

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powerliftingwatch.com/node/1793

you can see from those that a 300lbs bench, 400lbs squat, and 500lbs deadlift will win most local meets at most weight classes. i know some people get number numb in powerlifting and begin to think they are not that good unless they hit 500+/400+/600+ but those numbers are not common to the world. they may be common to powerlifters at a national level but that is like saying hard ons are common to porn stars, they better damn well be!

i know i am still working on a 1100lbs total and i have won my weight class at 3 of my 5 powerlifting meets. i turn 40 next month which just means i will do even better at most meets as i will be the only old guy there in my class.

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[quote]DBasler wrote:

[quote]N.K. wrote:
I have two friends. 21 and 22 years old. Both drug free. Both college students. Both have been lifting for years, but not entirely dedicated to powerlifting until recently.

Friend number 1 just competed at 165. Squatted 470, benched 350, deadlifted 505.

Friend number 2 just competed at 181. Squatted 500, benched 320, pulled 555.

I can’t tell you what “good” is, but those are two examples of young, drug free guys who have a lot of room to grow, are quite a bit smaller than you, and as strong/stronger than you in a number of lifts. So I would say, set your sights higher than “good,” because you have quite a lot of room to grow if you push yourself. [/quote]

Friend 1’s total puts him in the top 15 in the country on PW at 165, which doesn’t distinguish between tested and untested. [/quote]

What would make top 10 in the 148.8 lb 67.5 kg bench press? Just curious?

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148 top 10 bench is 325+ with 375 as the #1, remember, the PLwatch top 50 lifts are for the year, not overall. They have an overall list but its on pdf and i dont feel like looking it up

OP, those are decent numbers, competitive at the local level im sure. Unfortunately they would not land you top 50 for the year in either weight class on any lift. That is not the standard necessary to work to but it is one I personally like to go for and follow.

Just keep doing you. PL is a personal sport, you battle personal demons, you hit PRs PERSONAL RECORDS. Winning is awesome but this sport is more for yourself and building yourself. Just keep killing it.

C4G

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[quote]Curls4Girls wrote:
148 top 10 bench is 325+ with 375 as the #1, remember, the PLwatch top 50 lifts are for the year, not overall. They have an overall list but its on pdf and i dont feel like looking it up

C4G[/quote]
Thanks. My meet best is 297, but making progress.

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[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
Raw Elite at 220 is 1551. 198 is 1471. You are pretty close to that so I would say you have good numbers under the conditions you have posed.

[quote]jkondash89 wrote:
I wanna know what are good numbers to hit drug free at 198-220 weight class. I see these 800 lb deadlifts 700lb squats and the people are claiming they are drug free. While i believe some may be drug free i just want to know what are decent numbers for a drug free lifter 198-220 class.

My current stats.
Squat-495
Deadlift-545
Sumo-475 working on it again.
Bench-355 touch nd go
335-paused.

I wanna know if these are good numbers for a drug free lifter. Not based of meets that say they test or anything. Just in general the average 198-220 lb lifter[/quote]
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Are you sure those numbers are for Elite Totals… Not arguing I just didn’t realize I was that close to totaling Elite. I’d hit those numbers at 198 and 220 is even pretty possible.

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[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
Raw Elite at 220 is 1551. 198 is 1471. You are pretty close to that so I would say you have good numbers under the conditions you have posed.

[quote]jkondash89 wrote:
I wanna know what are good numbers to hit drug free at 198-220 weight class. I see these 800 lb deadlifts 700lb squats and the people are claiming they are drug free. While i believe some may be drug free i just want to know what are decent numbers for a drug free lifter 198-220 class.

My current stats.
Squat-495
Deadlift-545
Sumo-475 working on it again.
Bench-355 touch nd go
335-paused.

I wanna know if these are good numbers for a drug free lifter. Not based of meets that say they test or anything. Just in general the average 198-220 lb lifter[/quote]
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Are you sure those numbers are for Elite Totals… Not arguing I just didn’t realize I was that close to totaling Elite. I’d hit those numbers at 198 and 220 is even pretty possible.[/quote]

Elite totals are not exactly what they once were. It’s pretty interesting how they arrived at them actually, where the criteria used to be much higher before the introduction of gear (both types). As the gear usage increased, the elite numbers stayed the same but people who didn’t want to strap on 8 layers of canvas complained, so they created different standards. Instead of increasing the elite totals for the geared guys, they just lowered the standards for the raw guys. In essence, the numbers that once constituted raw(ish) elite came to represent the multi-ply levels, while the raw guys’ numbers were lowered.

Truthfully, I find most of the federations’ definitions of elite laughable. SPF’s for the 275 raw weight class is 1654 I believe. A solid total for sure, but once you consider that knee wraps are allowed, you squat out of a mono, you can squat high, and there is no drug testing, I find it VERY difficult to believe a majority of lifters would fail to meet those numbers with 7-10 years of solid effort.

Fascinatingly, the most stringent standards I have seen (other than RAW Unity, which are beast mode) is for 100% RAW, which is a drug tested fed. THe 275 criteria there is 1710, a much more respectable level to hit IMO given the drug testing and lack of knee wraps and strict judging.