Exxon made money on the Valdez spill.
When your private business affects the public, it becomes the public’s business.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
When your private business affects the public, it becomes the public’s business.[/quote]
I don’t know if you’re addressing this to me, but of course I agree. BP, and whatever other companies responsible should absolutely make good for every penny lost and as thorough a cleanup job as possible.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
When your private business affects the public, it becomes the public’s business.[/quote]
I don’t know if you’re addressing this to me, but of course I agree. BP, and whatever other companies responsible should absolutely make good for every penny lost and as thorough a cleanup job as possible.[/quote]
This.
It is BP’s responsibility, If they do not pay take their ass to court.
What exactly did President Bush do to deal with this disaster? He should be fucking impeached for not only allowing this to happen, but you know he actually caused this to drive up the price of oil. That fucker should be impeached and run out of office. Why should that piece of shit be allowed to remain president after not solving this issue?
Uh… What? Oh, uh you mean it is now President Obama in charge?
Uh… yeah, the President is doing a great job. If it wasn’t for his quick action… uh… yeah… uh… the disaster would have been worse. Praise Obama. Isn’t the President doing a great job.
Okay, sorry for the sarcasm. But everybody here knows exactly what would have happened to Bush had he been president when this happened. He would have been raked over the coals for not solving this issue.
And please remember, 11 people died. I know the reporters are focusing on the animals, but 11 people died here. This was an accident, and unfortunately they happen.
I know there is this idea that BP is somehow going to make money off of this, but that is crap. They are hurt by it, the oil being lost is their money just flooding out of the spigot.
But it was their well, and they are responsible for the clean up.
Beyond that, it should be mentioned that over 70% of the oil in the Oceans are there naturally. I believe this was brought up before, but it needs repeating. Everybody gets this idea that oil just didn’t exist before the oil companies somehow created it out of nothing. But there were tons of land that was considered worthless because it was full of oil. The stuff was just oozing out of the ground.
Yes it sucks that this happened. Yet if it is such a disaster, why wasn’t it a disaster 150 yeas ago when the stuff was all over the place, pissing off the farmers? We simply need a little perspective here. This stuff is natural.
Also why can’t we deal with the problem now, and deal with the blame later?
Also to echo what was said earlier, we have been drilling there for over 40 years, and currently there are between 4,000 and 5,000 wells in the area. Until now the safety record has been terrific.
Let’s stop the oil asap, clean up the area, and send the bill to BP. Then figure out what happened, and use the information to make it less likely this will ever happen in the future.
just like every time there is a plane crash, we find out something that will make future flights safer.
[quote]The Mage wrote:
Okay, sorry for the sarcasm. But everybody here knows exactly what would have happened to Bush had he been president when this happened. He would have been raked over the coals for not solving this issue.[/quote]
If Bush was still president it would still be a fuck up of epic proportions… on the part of BP.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]The Mage wrote:
Okay, sorry for the sarcasm. But everybody here knows exactly what would have happened to Bush had he been president when this happened. He would have been raked over the coals for not solving this issue.[/quote]
If Bush was still president it would still be a fuck up of epic proportions… on the part of BP.[/quote]
If Bush were still president he would be blamed, lets not bullshit. However, I do not blame Bush or obama. I blame BP, I simply do not believe after 35 days of absolutely nothing, that they are doing their best to solve the issue. They are doing a lot of talking and bot a lot of doing.
This issue is just big enough to bankrupt them, but I don’t think they understand that. Lawsuits will be in the thousands. The fines will be in the millions and the clean up now and in the years to come.
Methinks “drill, baby, drill” is like the sea life in the way of this. Dead in the water. I’d advise the next Republican presidential candidate to let that one go.
“But now, with crude lapping into the bayou, even Obamaâ??s defenders have turned critical. A White House that prides itself on operational competence and message discipline has been frustrated by an environmental catastrophe it canâ??t predict, canâ??t control and canâ??t out-message â?? and the strain is showing.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20100525/pl_politico/37725
You have to know ole’ George W. Bush is thinking “Welcome to the club” as thoughts of Katrina run through his head.
Absolutely nothing wrong with “Drill, Baby, Drill!” The problem is we have placed our easily accesible oil reserves off limits and so companies do have to resort to deep-ocean drilling which is by far much more risk-inherent than land-based oil wells. In fact, there should be an escalation of land based drilling in response to this accident in deep-sea drilling!
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Absolutely nothing wrong with “Drill, Baby, Drill!” The problem is we have placed our easily accesible oil reserves off limits and so companies do have to resort to deep-ocean drilling which is by far much more risk-inherent than land-based oil wells. In fact, there should be an escalation of land based drilling in response to this accident in deep-sea drilling![/quote]
Indeed. There are many areas of significant reserves that are much more accessible. The main reason the leak hasn’t been stopped is because of the technical challenges involved in working at 5,000 ft depths.
On another subject, people need to drop the whole argument that BP somehow skimped on safety equipment. Safety is a HUGE priority for operators. I’ve written drilling rig bids for major operators, and let me tell you, they skimp on NOTHING. Every single thing on those rigs is specified to be absolutely the top-of-the-line, most expensive item available. Actually, I blame some of that for the accident itself. These high dollar rigs have become so automated and technology driven that the operators onsite don’t need to be as mentally cued in to the details as they once were. They just expect the computers to warn them if something is wrong. That obviously wasn’t enough in this case.
[quote]HG Thrower wrote:
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
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Indeed. There are many areas of significant reserves that are much more accessible. The main reason the leak hasn’t been stopped is because of the technical challenges involved in working at 5,000 ft depths.
On another subject, people need to drop the whole argument that BP somehow skimped on safety equipment. Safety is a HUGE priority for operators. I’ve written drilling rig bids for major operators, and let me tell you, they skimp on NOTHING. Every single thing on those rigs is specified to be absolutely the top-of-the-line, most expensive item available. Actually, I blame some of that for the accident itself. These high dollar rigs have become so automated and technology driven that the operators onsite don’t need to be as mentally cued in to the details as they once were. They just expect the computers to warn them if something is wrong. That obviously wasn’t enough in this case. [/quote]
Although Oil companies do have good offshore safety records and probably pay handsomely for the best parts, BP should have been well prepared for this contingency. They could have designed the rig with underground valves, or designed a working housing for leaking pipes years in advance. I understand that it’s hard to fix a pipe a mile underwater, but if you’re prepared for it it’s no problem. That is were BP fucked up, and that is why we are faced with a huge problem.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]The Mage wrote:
…just like every time there is a plane crash, we find out something that will make future flights safer.[/quote]
Good comparison.
Many of those who are screaming, “See! No more offshore drilling,” would never want all airline flights shut down indefinitely because of one airplane crash.[/quote]
I don’t really want to get into an argument over this because on this website I agree with 99% of what you write. But I don’t think this is a fair argument.
Grantit that it is only 1 well that is leaking but you can’t compare 1 well to 1 airplane.
It’s more like comparing that 1 well to 1 company…say delta…if every plane in delta airlines crashed then that would shut down airlines for a period until they can be fixed and we were assured that that situation would never happen again.
I understand that it’s one well…but Push its a big f’n deal
This article is def worth a read considering the short-sightedness of some of the posters in this thread.
Edit: Main takeaway - There is plenty of blame to go around.
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FWIW
We parked our car months ago. I have around a 25 mile commute everyday, the wife similar. She uses an electric scooter and I a regular bike with an electric assist motor. Both vehicles have a 30-35mph top speed range of about 50miles. The emergence of LiFePO4 batteries have really made these things affordable and practical. We spend maybe, 5-8 cents a day to charge and require zero upkeep. With about $2000 spent we have essentially free transportation. The only caveat is roughly an extra 30min and rain, but really with a good jacket and gloves its just water. I enjoy the fresh air and can always pedal some if I want some cardio.
I suggest anyone curious look into such options especially dumping tradional lead acids batteries and switching to lithium. On the scooter we went from 95 lbs lead with a poor power curve to 25 lbs lithium and a lot better performance and probably 5x the life span.
[quote]John S. wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
Right, who can trust the greedy scientists these days, it’s so much smarter to completely dismiss all their theories because of a few minor inconsistencies… Come on dude, you’re ignoring better judgement and you should know it. Theirs enough data on GW to make any reasonable person a little bit cautious at this point.
You do know that the government gives grants and funding to people whose research has the potential to give back to the community right? That’s uhh, pretty much how most scientific work gets funded. So the majority of the nations scientists “are on the government payroll” as you say. I’m so sick of hearing this inane anti GW bullshit.
And who the hell put you in charge of deciding what “actually matters” in this world anyway? I enjoy and protect the environment I live in and I’m proud of it. Your arguments are either from ignorance or arrogance, it’s basically 50-50. I’m going to leave you with that, you need to pull your head out of your ass and use it for once.[/quote]
A few inconsitancies? the entire hocky stick graph was a fraud.
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methodology was called into question which is the point of the scientific community but it was not fraud. From what I understand independent reconstructions using better data still yield basically the same conclusion.