[quote]John S. wrote:
Its absolutely amazing to me that anyone would oppose offshore drilling then complain about the price of fuel.
Anyone who opposes offshore drilling should sell their car right away or else they are just a bunch of hypocrite.
I must admit its funny watching the left get all worked up over this and offer no solutions besides a big government gamble. But what they fail to realize is disasters like this will be avoided in the future due to profit incentive, look at how much money BP is losing after all of this. They will find a better way to drill because they want to make money.
When was the last major oil disaster?
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This whole “disaster” angle is mostly histrionics anyway.
Year after year after year more crude oil simply seeps out of the ground than we humans ever will allow to get into the ocean.
Oil leekages are like wildfires, they occur naturally and nature can deal with it.
I know they are. But instead of the cries from the right of “Drill baby drill,” which is just fuckin asinine, they should be supporting that new kind of industry, and vocally.
And a little twerp? Jesus douche, come up with something better than that or shut the fuck up.[/quote]
Lets use that thing in your head called your brain for 5 seconds, I understand that it will hurt for a bit since you haven’t used it in so long but follow along.
I am a big oil company and I have to compete against many other companies. If I find a new renewable energy I can patent the fucker giving me huge profits.
Its in the oil companies best interest to come up with a renewable energy that is why they are all working hard on it, but when you leave liberal fantasy island and visit a place called reality you realize that stuff like that does not appear by magic.
Oil companies spend more money researching renewable energy, if anything you should be praising them.
So in other words, your logical stance should be Drill Baby Drill.
This whole “disaster” angle is mostly histrionics anyway.
Year after year after year more crude oil simply seeps out of the ground than we humans ever will allow to get into the ocean.
Oil leekages are like wildfires, they occur naturally and nature can deal with it.
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That is also very true, hurricanes are mother natures vacuum cleaner. And if I wanted to play bash obama, and I am on PWI so why not, why did it take Obama so long to get people on the job to protect against the spill? Why didn’t he do the controlled burn like he was supposed to? Why does he want the people in louisiana to suffer?
Haha I love the vitriolic replies about Bill Maher. Wonder why all the God botherers hate him so much? I really must watch Religulous if it’s got the God Squads panties in such a twist. Would’ve watched it sooner only I can’t stand Bill Maher.
Push - hardly a very Christian response is it? What happened to all that turn the other cheek malarky?
[quote]GCF wrote:
Haha I love the vitriolic replies about Bill Maher. Wonder why all the God botherers hate him so much? I really must watch Religulous if it’s got the God Squads panties in such a twist. Would’ve watched it sooner only I can’t stand Bill Maher.
Push - hardly a very Christian response is it? What happened to all that turn the other cheek malarky?
God Bless.[/quote]
I actually liek Bill Maher, but I find it hard to watch his show lately.
It is all cheap shots and low blows and an audience that boos anyone with some sort of economic sense.
His stance on religion is immature and superficial too.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The Scripture says turn the other cheek. Doesn’t put a number on how many times nor does it say or imply that it is to be an unlimited number. You really should have known.
(If you had spent much time on this forum you would you would understand the relationship between the author of this thread, vulgarity and my fucking post about Bill Fucking Maher - a subtlety that is not all that fucking subtle for a careful fucking observer)
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Mr Harder, it’s very fair to say that you and I don’t share too much in our political, religious stances. However, I have found that in my time here you to be an excellent and intelligent debater, the above is however the weakest post I’ve seen from you. Really you actually need a number to be specified? Really? Seems pretty counter-intuitive to that whole message of the bible stuff to me, but then again so is the hope that someone you have never met (I assumes) slits his throat because of all the misery he seems to have heaped on your life. But whatever, I guess you read it how it suits you. Don’t want that pesky sanctity of marriage/faithful to your wife stuff to get in the way of your (fucking rad) indiscriminant rooting.
And despite your implication that I am not a careful fucking observer I would disagree, although you are correct in that I don’t know of this relationship you speak of. But then again I don’t spend nearly as much time here as you do. And probably fair to say that as you close in on your 20000th post… I never will.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
With the example of the gazillions of spill-free oil pumped in US waters and from US lands since the Valdez accident in '89 I think it would have to be said that the oil industry has an excellent record of avoiding major spills.[/quote]
There are still places that have not been cleaned up since the Valdez accident, this could be worst, I think any accidents are too many.one of the problems are Americans will pay for that spill. We will pay by higher gas prices
I used to enjoy Bill Maher more, because even though he is way left, he would still bag on the left for good reason. One of my biggest beefs with him is his desire to model how Europe has “free” health care and 6 weeks of paid vacation. But what he doesn’t realize is what the people are taxed to pay for all that.
Hey Bill, you wanna know why those Europeans are so lazy and relaxed? Because there is no point in trying to work hard, you ain’t gonna see any of it in what you take home in your check.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
With the example of the gazillions of spill-free oil pumped in US waters and from US lands since the Valdez accident in '89 I think it would have to be said that the oil industry has an excellent record of avoiding major spills.[/quote]
There are still places that have not been cleaned up since the Valdez accident,[/quote]
I saw a news report yesterday that said differently. Just one report though. Maybe you can cite evidence that supports your claim.[quote]
this could be worst, [/quote]
Looks that way.[quote]
I think any accidents are too many.[/quote]
Too many for what?
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That is an odd question, too many to be happy with
Nobody is going to accuse me of being an environmentalist and rightly so.
That said there is a certain level of ocean spillage that might persuade me to find other ways to get oil. I am no expert in this field, but I really hope if we are going to keep drilling offshore that spills can be kept to an absolute minimum and this ain’t it.
I am nowhere close to calling for the end of offshore drilling at this time, but this an unmitigated disaster by any objective person’s standard. It only matters how it happened if so knowing contributes mightily to preventing repeats. We simply cannot have oil spills measured in geographic terms floating around the oceans with any king of regularity at all.
[quote]John S. wrote:
BP is paying for this to be fixed. Accidents happen and Bill Maher is a retard. did I miss anything?
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Just the obvious fact that this is already the worst oil spill since the exon valdez and could potentially be the most devastating environmental disaster in modern history. You also missed that BP doesn’t have enough money to clean this up as the price to just mitigate the spill is already at around 14 billion…
Oh, you also missed that the coast guard is hopelessly outmatched against a spill that is racing to cover the entire gulf of Mexico.
Next time wait a few days before you casually dismiss an environmental disaster like this.
Ok, but seriously, this explosion happened at the worst possible time. Offshore drilling is perfectly viable way to extract resources, there are many rigs out there that have a perfect safety record. I might get chewed up for this, but I find that the quality standards in the drilling industry down south are a bit questionable.
Where I live, the landscape is dotted with completed wells and there has not been an environmental armaggedon. At least the US is on the right track with drilling on their own soil. It’s a great way to obtain resources, once you get good at it of course.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Saying it’s only the second such accident is misleading. The scale of the accident it what you should be looking at.[/quote]
I’ll probably have to shower after typing this, but there is some truth to what Makavali says here.
If someone were to succeed in using a rogue WMD in a populated area, pointing out that 99.9% of black market ordinance is accounted for will not seem particularly compelling.