Yeah, you are right!
“Slip, sliding away”
reminds me of HiT!
Mrs. Robinson?
Blame it on Big Cardio. They have infiltrated the medical and fitness communities.
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Is ATP in bed with big cardio? You bring up a great point. I’ll be watching this situation closely. If this has all just been an ad, I’ll be reaching out to my contact at the FTC!
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Small HIT and Drew Baye doesn’t stand a chance against Big Cardio and ATP. Even HIIT is on their side. We need more Nautilus machines!
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He claims to have gotten to single digit bf% with just a little trt, slightly reducing calories, and a 15-20 walk daily. 
He’s a frigging joke
He worked with a prep coach on his diet to get dialed in for the show. I believe he says he didn’t do any cardio, that may be the case if his coach is really good with Calorie manipulation. He definitely got shredded and has stayed pretty darn lean ever since. I’m guessing that coach helped overhaul his nutrition game.
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There is no medical and fitness community! Likewise, there is no “Big Cardio!”
Conspiracy theories are for juveniles or people interested in politics!
AA … you are better than this!
Do I really need to explain that it was meant as a joke?
How is anyone to know you were commenting in jest?
Erm…
I’m not the most clued up person in the world, but even I know that it was written in jest.
Maybe someone not so emotionally invested in a topic, and therefore not so easily triggered would spot it? 
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Coo Coo Catchoo
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Nitro is everywhere. What you mean is, we need the big blue Nautilus that had your cardiovascular system pounding when a properly trained trainer put you through a workout. I get your point.
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One machine to tame them all!
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Has anyone managed to get their heart rate in the 120-140 range - the classic zone 2-zone 3 aerobic range, using HIT or any other form of strength training ? And keep it there for 20-30 mins.
Without taking any particular position on this I can only get into this range with traditional cardio.
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, which makes you ideal for HiT
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Has anyone managed to get their heart rate in the 120-140 range - the classic zone 2-zone 3 aerobic range, using HIT or any other form of strength training ? And keep it there for 20-30 mins.
Without taking any particular position on this I
Weight training, even lifting as fast as possible causes muscle contractions which occlude blood flow until the muscles relax. A contracted muscle with limited blood flow has consequences on the cardio-vascular system, resulting in acidosis and decreased oxygen delivery to tissues, causing the heart to pump harder leading to ventricular hypertrophy. This is a vicious circle and is not ideal for cardiovascular conditioning as a different kind of stimulus is needed. What is needed for a HiT neophyte to understand about cardiovascular conditioning is there must be at least 50 % of the musculature involved in a rapid rhythmical contraction-relaxation of agonist and antagonist muscles so as not to impede blood flow and delivery of oxygenated blood to the muscles, or hinder venous blood flow back to the right atrium of the heart.
As you can surmise, circuit weight training would increase the heart rate, but is certainly not ideal for the delivery and drainage of blood from the tissues. Also, less than 50% of muscular structures is involved in each circuit weight station which limits cardiovascular conditioning stimulus.
This does not even touch the energy cycles such as the aerobic system which houses the Kreb’s cycle which provides the majority of ATP.
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Clearly you didn’t read my post properly from earlier in this thread, or your comprehension skills are a bit on the weak side…
I stated that my views on cardio are the same as yours. I do more cardio than strength work. However I ( and maybe you can call this experience…as I’m in my mid 50’s) do not feel the need to constantly bash others over the head with my point of view. There is no benefit from beating that dead horse.
Why constantly bang that drum here? Those that agree with you are already doing it…and those that aren’t…are you really going to change their minds? Honestly? If anything they are just going to dig further down into their “approach”, especially in the onslaught of the manner in which you present your case.
I’ve learnt this through experience. Let it go…
Heck…if “we” are right, and cardio is SO important…then what has happened? A handful of people, who you have never met, and never will, simply aren’t getting the benefit of an important training modality. You aren’t changing the world on here my friend.
In fact any benefits you gain from cardio, are probably lost from the stress you incur from ranting about it on here and the social connections you have missed in the real world, from spending too much time on here, preaching the gospel of cardio…
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Well said SGG
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@atp_4_me Read my question. I am looking for a strength based modality that provides aerobic benefits in a trackable (HR) way.
I was hoping for a reply along the lines of HIT, or HIT with long eccentrics, or super slow, or olympic weightlifting, or its not possible with weights so do body weight circuit training… etc etc
A reply from anyone explaining persononal experience pointing to any of these would be useful.
So let me explain the reason for my question. I sometimes get an IT band niggle. This requires a notable reduction in steady state running, bike, xtrainer. So I am looking for an alternative.
@sgg and @fitafter40 any recommendations you can make for strength based cardio. BTW I am 60+.