Hey,
anyone heard of Dr. Buteyko and his findings about breathing? In a nutshell, most people are supposed to breathe less in order to get more oxygen into the cells, which would have tons of health benefits. I read a lot about it and still, I don’t exactly know what to think about it. Any thoughts?
I’m all for some people Breathing Less.
Yes.
The idea is to increase oxygenation of the blood by manipulating breathing patterns. The idea being that the increased oxygen improves all sorts of illnesses and such. I studied some stuff, and made a homemade version of the Frolov breathing device last year sometime.
I don’t know about all of the health benefits, but it did improve my vasovagal response, i.e., increased respiratory sinus arrhythmia and improved parasympathetic nervous system. From a “how to meditate and relax” standpoint, it worked well.
But I haven’t touched it for a long long time.
Less oxygen intake now means more oxygen intake?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Less oxygen intake now means more oxygen intake?[/quote]
It’s a Hipster thing.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Less oxygen intake now means more oxygen intake?[/quote]
Dont think about it too much PX its the internet.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Less oxygen intake now means more oxygen intake?[/quote]
Dont think about it too much PX its the internet. [/quote]
Oh…cool.
Because this was about to do some damage to that “she said no” thang.
Just had a patient claim she couldn’t breath…so we told her to stop.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Less oxygen intake now means more oxygen intake?[/quote]
Nah, I can’t remember the details.
It was more like manipulating breathing patterns to increase the CO2/O2 ratio you’re breathing out.
One approach was a quick in breath, and a deliberately slow out breath. Like 5 seconds in, 15 seconds out, and then working on increasing the time spent on the out breath.
Something like… hypoventilation causes vasodilation, and a thing called the Bohr effect, which says increased CO2 causes increased tissue oxygenation.
It was Soviet research, so make of that what you will. There was a lot of innovation, and there was a lot of quack research too.
What they did find is that people with chronic diseases tend to breathe a much higher volume of air per unit of time (minute volume) than healthy people. And basically working backwards as far as understanding why this is, and then seeing what happens if you deliberately decrease your minute volume.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Less oxygen intake now means more oxygen intake?[/quote]
Nah, I can’t remember the details.
It was more like manipulating breathing patterns to increase the CO2/O2 ratio you’re breathing out.
One approach was a quick in breath, and a deliberately slow out breath. Like 5 seconds in, 15 seconds out, and then working on increasing the time spent on the out breath.
Something like… hypoventilation causes vasodilation, and a thing called the Bohr effect, which says increased CO2 causes increased tissue oxygenation.
It was Soviet research, so make of that what you will. There was a lot of innovation, and there was a lot of quack research too.[/quote]
Heavy on the quack. You respiratory rate is largely unconscious reaction. It is the result of your life’s development and even habits. You activity levels and even how you carry yourself are all affected by it.
I would see more benefit from someone working on fitness and posture when it comes to overall health and respiration…as opposed to fat asses trying to “breath different” on the couch.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Heavy on the quack. You respiratory rate is largely unconscious reaction. It is the result of your life’s development and even habits. You activity levels and even how you carry yourself are all affected by it.[/quote]
Yeah, Buteyko himself developed some pretty intense training you had to do to basically develop the habits to breathe differently. I never did anything more than a cursory glance at his actual training systems.
They see similar benefits with long-time meditators too, so, it is a trainable thing.
But I definitely agree with this.
It’s all contextual I think. There weren’t a whole lot of Soviet fatasses, since there simply wasn’t enough food for that to happen.
Getting more oxygen by breathing less sounds strange, I agree. Hyperventilating (breathing too much) causes Hypocapnia, meaning you lower the CO2 partial pressure in your body. The Bohr-effect and CO2 acting as a strong vasodilator (similar effect as NO) are important for the uptake of oxygen from haemoglobin into the cell( Hypocapnia - Wikipedia )
If you still don’t believe that, you should take very deep and very fast breaths. You will black out in under a minute, supposedly because of lack of oxygen in the brain.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You respiratory rate is largely unconscious reaction.
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That is true, but that doesn’t mean you can’t manipulate it.
[quote]mr.sauerkraut wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You respiratory rate is largely unconscious reaction.
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That is true, but that doesn’t mean you can’t manipulate it.
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Like, HEY CO2 GET YOUR ASS OUT OF MY LUNGS!!! HEY OXYGEN GET IN MY LUNGS!!!
That type of manipulation, or
What’s up Oxygen, you wana go hang out. I just broke up with CO2 and need a rebound…
I’ve heard of using carbon dioxide to treat people suffering from carbon monoxide poisoning for this effect(maybe, I could be wrong), but does it carry over significantly to a healthy person?
Why not just hook yourself up with some straight oxygen for periods of time? I’ve done that a few times while dehydrated and overheated to perk back up a little quicker.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Why not just hook yourself up with some straight oxygen for periods of time? I’ve done that a few times while dehydrated and overheated to perk back up a little quicker.
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Maybe it’s just me, but I would prefer to get more oxygen by breathing more efficiently.
[quote]mr.sauerkraut wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Why not just hook yourself up with some straight oxygen for periods of time? I’ve done that a few times while dehydrated and overheated to perk back up a little quicker.
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Maybe it’s just me, but I would prefer to get more oxygen by breathing more efficiently.
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Is that really how it works though? What I get from it is that the blood cells have a higher affinity for oxygen due to an elevated presence of co2. Doesn’t mean you’re actually absorbing more, just that they have a higher affinity for o2.
Seems like that response wouldn’t even occur if near-optimal levels of oxygen were present.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]mr.sauerkraut wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Why not just hook yourself up with some straight oxygen for periods of time? I’ve done that a few times while dehydrated and overheated to perk back up a little quicker.
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Maybe it’s just me, but I would prefer to get more oxygen by breathing more efficiently.
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Is that really how it works though? What I get from it is that the blood cells have a higher affinity for oxygen due to an elevated presence of co2. Doesn’t mean you’re actually absorbing more, just that they have a higher affinity for o2.
Seems like that response wouldn’t even occur if near-optimal levels of oxygen were present.
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No, the other way around: the blood cells are delivering more oxygen to cells because of higher CO2 concentrations. The affinity for oxygen in the blood cells is regulated allosteric, that means they are able to take up a lot O2 from the lungs and give a lot O2 to the tissue. For this shift in affinity the blood cells have to change their structure and therefore CO2 is needed, amongst other things.