You are right about the state of affairs in the military. As a general rule, mental indoctrination is a necessity for well-trained and well-disciplined fighting forces.
I’m glad you pointed out that such commentary about the military is not implicitly intended to disrespect or disparage. It is a mere statement of fact, or percieved fact, at any rate.
Too often on this forum (in fact, constantly), I find my value-neutral statements and observations being interpretted through a moralistic lens, and thus treated as if they were deliberate insults.
I have explained countless times that I consider myself nothing more than a scientist, my purpose being to examine what “is” and what scientifically “could be”, not what “ought” or “ought not” to be. I leave the shalls and shalt nots entirely to the priests, as that is their domain.
I study events and their causalities. I do not attempt to judge reality like a God.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
etaco wrote:
You mean slutty? To encourage procreation of the morally superior race?
Actually, I was thinking of the ever-increasing popularity of “athletic” (i.e. masculine) clothing lines for women and men, such as Under Armour. It’s a thorny issue; I can elaborate more if necessary.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Good points, LIFTICVSMAXIMVS, all of them.
You are right about the state of affairs in the military. As a general rule, mental indoctrination is a necessity for well-trained and well-disciplined fighting forces.
I’m glad you pointed out that such commentary about the military is not implicitly intended to disrespect or disparage. It is a mere statement of fact, or percieved fact, at any rate.
Too often on this forum (in fact, constantly), I find my value-neutral statements and observations being interpretted through a moralistic lens, and thus treated as if they were deliberate insults.
I have explained countless times that I consider myself nothing more than a scientist, my purpose being to examine what “is” and what scientifically “could be”, not what “ought” or “ought not” to be. I leave the shalls and shalt nots entirely to the priests, as that is their domain.
I study events and their causalities. I do not attempt to judge reality like a God.[/quote]
I’ve got an idea, go off and create a nice comfortable little utopia for yourself and your vermin ilk. You and the idiots like you seem so eager to criticize a war or any military engagement from the comfort of your clean warm homes in front of your shiny little keyboards.
Well guess what fuck-nuts, life 'aint perfect. Life isn’t always fair. The REAL problem with you is that you’ve grown up in a world where you see no percieved threats from ANYONE. You’ve grown up soft and weak, too afraid to make tough decisions. Decisions that may get people killed.
You don’t know real sacrifice. You only know that you hate those who HAVE sacrificed. You don’t suffer, you only despise those that suffer for you.
You live in a world where your myopic point of view is protected, where your weak mind is protected, where your very life is nothing more than an endless string of uneventful days strung together until you die of natural causes.
People like me (and most everyone else I know) realize that at times life-and-death decisions must be made. We understand that thousands of people have died for yours and my chance at greatness. You and I owe a debt of gratitude towards the men and women of this nation and this very nation itself.
I don’t know how old you are and don’t care enough to find out but I ask, no PLEAD with you to take your asinine rhetoric down to the nearest VFW and buy a round for all the members. Just once. Then find a place where you can get everyones attention and give those “brainwashed robots” a piece of your mind. Don’t hold back either. Tell them what you’ve told us. Tell the 85 year-old WWII vet that “We were attacked by Japan. Germany never attacked us, we started the war with Germany.” or whatever other bullshit you can think up. I dare you.
If you do not feel comfortable with that scenario I don’t blame you. But if you refuse to do it, you are forever branded a fucking coward. A coward whose world doesn’t extend beyond his keyboard.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
This forum is becoming overrun with neo-nazis, communists and flaming idiots. It is embarrassing.[/quote]
Maybe so. To help you better classify my dysfunction(s) I typed the following as it came to me:
I’m fully racist, sexist, moral relativist and atheist. I deny the existence of any absolutes outside the human mind(moral, philosophical, linguistic). The latter position makes an empirical nominalist, or a radical empiricist. I’m a big proponent of the scientific method and I think that faith is basically another word for stupidity, combined with fear.
I study information as a bio-linguistic, sociological concept.
As a psychological egoist, I take the view that all organisms, at all times and without exception, are motivated entirely by self-interest and self-preservation. I see any doctrine of human action which falls short of these assumptions to be grossly inimicable to bio-evolutionary reality.
“Absolute truth” does not exist, everything and I do mean EVERYTHING is 100% subjective to the individual human mind. Ideas and absolutes are organic matter - they are memetic viruses which require human carriers. The existence of the human brain precedes all thought, all concepts. There is no “a priori” knowledge in existence.
I think that race and sex disparity are self-evident facts of nature. I do NOT think that “all humans are born equal”.
Among philosophers, I respect Max Stirner, Friedrich Nietzsche, Darwin, Harry Browne, and several proponents of the Austrian school of economics. Few others.
I’m an elitist and a social darwinist. I think that egalitarianism (i.e. socialism) and pure, laissez-faire capitalism are both equally unworkable and never have or will come to pass. I see fascism as the only workable political system in the 20th-century, and I happen to think that America does a fairly good job of it. I define fascism on economic terms, as being any form of mixed economy. It replaced feudalism after the industrial revolution, but they are basically the same thing.
There has never been a true “socialist” country in existence. Socialism is impossible. It is impossible to eliminate the power hierarchy among humans. All of the so-called “communist” regimes were fascist, differing from the west only in terms of economic regulation. Britain and the USA both went fascist prior to WWII to combat the more-overtly fascist state in Germany.
I study power in all of it’s forms. From the power that molecules exert over atomic matter to the power dynamics of human affairs. I see power as the driving force of nature, the most basic essence of the universe.
The only absolute morality to which I subscribe is that change is good, stagnation is bad. If there is a golden rule, it is that change is always worth the cost. The cost is irrelevant. Compromise does not exist in the real world. I am an extremist and anybody who isn’t is brain dead.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
First, THANK YOU for defending me and my family. We WILL NOT forget you and all the wonderful guys there.
Secondly, you are an excellent writer; I could almost see it happening as I read. Wow!
Third, please put as many bullets as possible into each one of these sons-of-bitches.
God Bless You, and our country.
[/quote]
Great, so neither the OP or any of the vacuous idiots who think it was AWESOME, DUDE!, like HeadDouchebag, have ever served in the military, let alone in or anywhere remotely near combat.
How about we expect our soldiers to have enough respect for themselves and their country to simply obey the rules of engagement as they’ve been handed down from command?
And, FWIW, I completely agree with not leaving an unsecured enemy behind you. And if the only way to secure that enemy at the moment is to make sure he’s down for good, then he gets two in the head. But then so does any news camera man who’s tagging along. And that goes for any team member with his finger on a digital camera or cell phone as well. What the hell, if you’re going to murder the wounded, why the fuck would you let someone film it?
The only absolute morality to which I subscribe is that change is good, stagnation is bad. If there is a golden rule, it is that change is always worth the cost. The cost is irrelevant. Compromise does not exist in the real world. I am an extremist and anybody who isn’t is brain dead.[/quote]
Do you realize that “stagnation” and steadfast, dedicated, dependable, enduring, established, faithful, firm, never-failing, persevering, relentless, reliable, resolute, stable, steady, sure, true, unfaltering, unflinching, unswerving, unyielding, wholehearted are different things?
By the way, you say there are “no absolutes”, then you go on to say that change is good and that change is always worth the cost…
Well, which is it? You contradict yourself.
I’ve never seen someone so smart and so fucking stupid at the same time.
Big words, bigger ideas. Even bigger waste of a post and our time reading it.
Great, so neither the OP or any of the vacuous idiots who think it was AWESOME, DUDE!, like HeadDouchebag, have ever served in the military, let alone in or anywhere remotely near combat.
How about we expect our soldiers to have enough respect for themselves and their country to simply obey the rules of engagement as they’ve been handed down from command?
And, FWIW, I completely agree with not leaving an unsecured enemy behind you. And if the only way to secure that enemy at the moment is to make sure he’s down for good, then he gets two in the head. But then so does any news camera man who’s tagging along. And that goes for any team member with his finger on a digital camera or cell phone as well. What the hell, if you’re going to murder the wounded, why the fuck would you let someone film it?
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Yeah, imagine THAT? A few guys here actually have opinions about our fighting men and women and thier ability to thier job with as few friendly casualties as possible.
And tell us. What would YOU do if faced with a possibly wounded enemy who routinely feign death only to rise up and shoot a member(s) of your squad?
Oh, you haven’t been faced with that prospect? Well the original post was written by a Marine who HAS. Show some respect douchebag.
EDIT: Now that I re-read your idiotic post, I see you AGREE with the idea I posted (from a real-live Marine) then you give permission to murder a team member or imbedded reporter if they happen to film you protecting yourself and your tems from almost certain death?
[quote]derek wrote:
Oh, you haven’t been faced with that prospect? Well the original post was written by a Marine who HAS. Show some respect douchebag.[/quote]
Then show some fucking ATTRIBUTION, douchebag.
You didn’t write that shit, you don’t have the fucking balls or the background. Did you get it in an email? Or pluck if off some fucking website somewhere?
I answered that in my post. And trust me, if I did what needed to be done and turned around and saw your dumb ass holding a camera phone, I’d very gladly double-tab you too.
Sometimes in combat, in the name of self-preservation, some of the things you do might not be completely “legal”. But for god’s sake don’t be fucking stupid enough to let someone film you doing it.
EDIT: [quote]derek wrote:
You are truly a piece of shit.[/quote]
Oh gee, I’m hurt. Some fucking cunt wannabe Marine just disparaged me on the internets. Hey, maybe you can hook up with HeadDouchebag, you guys can come out here and take turns kicking me in the head with your skinhead boots!
I would like to say, while the thought is in my head, that I am grateful to the mods of this forum for letting such discussions as this one go on unfettered.
Ideological censorship is very common in today’s world. Regrettably, I see it all the time.
The internet is littered with discussion forums where post deletions and bannings occur on a daily basis. I find such practices to be distasteful and harmful to the quality of debate found therein.
I frequent many forums, but invariably return here due to the laissez-faire atmosphere enjoyed by T-Nation members.
Thankfully, this forum has not yet turned into a huge circle-jerking session, like so many others I’ve seen. We’re still at each others’ throats, and more fervently than ever. Praise be for that, and may the current state of affairs never change. (aha - stagnation!)
It’s easy to forget how great of a luxury freedom is until one is deprived of it.
I thank the other members of this forum for expressing their views without reservation and the mods for letting us to do it!
[quote]derek wrote:
I don’t know how old you are and don’t care enough to find out but I ask, no PLEAD with you to take your asinine rhetoric down to the nearest VFW and buy a round for all the members. [/quote]
[quote]tme wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
First, THANK YOU for defending me and my family. We WILL NOT forget you and all the wonderful guys there.
Secondly, you are an excellent writer; I could almost see it happening as I read. Wow!
Third, please put as many bullets as possible into each one of these sons-of-bitches.
God Bless You, and our country.
Great, so neither the OP or any of the vacuous idiots who think it was AWESOME, DUDE!, like HeadDouchebag, have ever served in the military, let alone in or anywhere remotely near combat.
How about we expect our soldiers to have enough respect for themselves and their country to simply obey the rules of engagement as they’ve been handed down from command?
And, FWIW, I completely agree with not leaving an unsecured enemy behind you. And if the only way to secure that enemy at the moment is to make sure he’s down for good, then he gets two in the head. But then so does any news camera man who’s tagging along. And that goes for any team member with his finger on a digital camera or cell phone as well. What the hell, if you’re going to murder the wounded, why the fuck would you let someone film it?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
This forum is becoming overrun with neo-nazis, communists and flaming idiots. It is embarrassing.[/quote]
Agreed. I quit posting in the political forums because it was useless. But then I got sucked back in with the current rash of military bashing. I have a hard time staying away from that.
I like the idea that one person had about all these haters establishing their own little utopia somewhere. I like that idea. Go find some land and make your own country, make your own laws, elect your own leaders, and defend it however you like.
Eventually, a Saddam, a Hitler, or a Stalin will invade. The first thing they will do is beg for help from America.
Great, so neither the OP or any of the vacuous idiots who think it was AWESOME, DUDE!, like HeadDouchebag, have ever served in the military, let alone in or anywhere remotely near combat.
How about we expect our soldiers to have enough respect for themselves and their country to simply obey the rules of engagement as they’ve been handed down from command?
And, FWIW, I completely agree with not leaving an unsecured enemy behind you. And if the only way to secure that enemy at the moment is to make sure he’s down for good, then he gets two in the head. But then so does any news camera man who’s tagging along. And that goes for any team member with his finger on a digital camera or cell phone as well. What the hell, if you’re going to murder the wounded, why the fuck would you let someone film it?
Yeah, imagine THAT? A few guys here actually have opinions about our fighting men and women and thier ability to thier job with as few friendly casualties as possible.
And tell us. What would YOU do if faced with a possibly wounded enemy who routinely feign death only to rise up and shoot a member(s) of your squad?
Oh, you haven’t been faced with that prospect? Well the original post was written by a Marine who HAS. Show some respect douchebag.
EDIT: Now that I re-read your idiotic post, I see you AGREE with the idea I posted (from a real-live Marine) then you give permission to murder a team member or imbedded reporter if they happen to film you protecting yourself and your tems from almost certain death?
I’m fully racist, sexist, moral relativist and atheist. I deny the existence of any absolutes outside the human mind(moral, philosophical, linguistic). [/quote]
I would consider the bullet that is fired from a terrorist’s weapon and that enters your body to be an ABSOLUTE. If it mortally wounds you, then you are absolutely dead. But wait…absolutes have no existence outside the mind.
You do realize that being a racist (absolute), a sexist (there’s another), on and on…, required you to use absolutes to make those definitions? You had to have some sort of defining terms, some axioms?
You deny the existence of concepts by using concepts. You are anti-man and anti-life. You are indeed a fool.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
This forum is becoming overrun with neo-nazis, communists and flaming idiots. It is embarrassing.[/quote]
Agreed. And it’s unfortunate. Some of these trolls post so much they take over a forum and drive the reasonable posters away. It’s T Nation for God’s sake…some of them would be better suited to the “View”.
The veteran posters used to drive them away…now we’re getting outnumbered.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I dare you to spout this crock of shit near anyone you just grossly insulted…
Right, so that I can be viciously assaulted.
And this will surely refute my claim that the military is a bunch of fascist goons.[/quote]
You say your a scientist…consider it field testing. Plus getting some common sense beat into you would be a big plus.
You don’t have any trigger time but you lecture those that do. Mix it up with a couple of Soldiers or Marines then you can report back on how charitable you were to your opponents.
You didn’t write that shit, you don’t have the fucking balls or the background. Did you get it in an email? Or pluck if off some fucking website somewhere?
Oh gee, I’m hurt. Some fucking cunt wannabe Marine just disparaged me on the internets. Hey, maybe you can hook up with HeadDouchebag, you guys can come out here and take turns kicking me in the head with your skinhead boots!
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If you had the brains to read this entire thread you’d see (on post #18) that I told you all that I was NOT a Marine as soon as I saw that people thought I was.
Yes I should’ve attributed it to an e-mail in the original post that I recieved and I take the blame for the confusuion although I posted TWICE that I was NOT in the Armed Forces. I don’t know what else to do if you are too lazy to read.
And tell me, how the fuck am I a wannabe Marine when I twice wrote that I was not?
And now I’m skinhead? I wear skinhead boots? You are a nutjob. Are you GoHeavyFool with a new name or what?