Dorian Yates Experience

Hi guys, this is an article I wrote and subsequently posted on another website forum. It was warmly received at the time so I thought some of you may be interested. I discovered the T-mag site only a few months ago and since then I am definitely more into the strength/power side of training than the pure ?bodybuilding? (aesthetic) element. Anyway this is the (true) story:

On the afternoon of Saturday 24th April 2004 my good friend and training partner, Steve and I (both Londoners living approx. 5 minutes apart from each other) set off for an extended weekend trip to Birmingham to take a look around the city, whose University we are both contemplating going to in September to start our degrees. Whilst up there, we managed to take in the delights of this often (albeit unfairly) mocked city of Midland England, both in the form of its nightlife as well as its bodybuilding amenities in the shape of Temple Gym. In the following series of posts I shall tell the story of our eventful 72 hours there, which culminated in a chance meeting with the legendary bodybuilding champion himself, the ?Shadow?, Dorian Yates.

DAY 1- ARRIVAL

Having slept for the duration of the two hour train journey from London to Birmingham?s New Street Station, both Steve and myself felt somewhat refreshed upon arrival. We made forth top our residence for the weekend, the house of my very own grandmother, who was conveniently abroad on holiday. Thus, we had free reign of the house. Having dropped our bags off at the house we made the short trip to Birmingham?s main night-spot- Broad Street, a veritable haven of clubs, pubs, bars and restaurants. Confronted by hoards of young ladies aged between about 17-25, we found ourselves in a state of sheer awe, trapped somewhere between excitement and delirium.

After a moderate drinking session consisting solely of pints of Guinness, fully ?carb-loaded? we staggered home in the early hours; with an incredible sense of expectation of what awaits us in our university days in this fair city of scantily clad young women.

Day 2- Seni 2004 Martial Arts Exhibition

The next morning, after shaking off sore heads, our first foray into the lifestyle of a Bodybuilder began at the breakfast table. Removed from the kitchen-hovering of family members, we were able to gorge on our 10-egg white pancakes in peace.

Soon after, we headed for the NEC (National Exhibition Centre) on the outskirts of Birmingham to visit the Seni 2004 Martial Arts Convention. The highlight of which was the Arm Wrestling Contest, in which technique was seen to triumph over sheer size, as a slim man from the midlands overcame all, including a former bodybuilding champion from Slough, the proud owner of a set of 18? ripped to the bone arms. Other memorable events included gruelling bouts of Thai Kick Boxing and some outstanding oriental gymnastics.

Having been drained by the sheer heat inside the NEC, and somewhat worse for wear from the previous nights? excess, we struggled back; to the house and immediately feasted on tins of tuna and turkey slices & by way of re-grouping in preparation for our visit to Temple Gym the very next day.

DAY 3- GETTING DOWN TO BUSINESS

After a good nights sleep, followed by yet another 10 egg-white pancake and an MRP we both felt ready for the day ahead of us. At noon we set of for Temple Gym, with the address and a map of the city centre in hand. As I sat on the train, listening to my mini-disc, feelings of anxiety reminiscent to those I have felt previously on the journeys to important rugby matches ran through my blood. Having been directed by other pedestrians, we finally reached the alleyway that marks the route towards Temple Gym.

With unforgiving surroundings, it was as if we (Steve and I) were suddenly struck by some terrible trepidation, a fear of failure perhaps? Whatever it was, we had come this close to it and were not about to let our nerves get the better of us. We were resolutely determined to get a glimpse of this slice of hardcore, no-nonsense bodybuilding establishment. All the years of sweat, agony, pain, hurt, blood, guts, clanging steel that had proceeded our visit, what scars they had had left on this place? Winners and losers created, some fallen by the way-side, others who chose to fight, to march on, who chose to succeed , to battle with themselves, overcome their struggles and ask for more, what had their ventures left on this place?

Walking down the steep stairs, I reached the young man behind the counter if it was possible to pay for a one-off workout.- eagerly, both Steve and myself handed over our five pound notes. It was soon after that IT happened. Turning towards the changing room, after a brief glance around the new surroundings I found myself in?.there he was, there was Yates, the legend himself. We had come to his gym, but we never really expected to actually see the man, let alone see him train.

Surely he would chose to train in his own private hours, with no-one around, free from peering eyes? - None of it. There he was, striding away on the cross trainer, woolly hat and all. This man mountain, gargantuan warrior, striding, pounding, bounding away on the cross trainer. Unbelievable, a sight to behold, in all his muscular enormity. Let me stress this, looked at from the side, the man appears about two foot thick. Steve and I had immediately dashed into the changing room, powered by pure adrenalin, bubbling with excitement, we wanted to get at out there and hit the weights, inspired by such a sight.

Hitting the bench press straight away I can truly say that for those first few sets my legs were literally quaking. They were no longer composites of bone, muscle tissue, nerve endings, tendons, ligaments etc but were now reduced to mere jelly. There we stood in this tiny basement in a Birmingham back street with no more than half a dozen other people around. Yet one of these people was Dorian Yates, a colossus of a man. I have seen competitive bodybuilders before, I have seen retired bodybuilders. This guy looked as though he was in the stage of his life where his immediate attention should be focused in rehearsing his pre-amble rhetoric for an up and coming major IFBB Pro Bodybuilding contest rather than sending in forms to the tax office regarding early retirement benefits, pensions plans or ?SpecSaver? optician discounts.

With my camera tucked away in the changing room having taken to frenetic snapping of Birmingham?s city centre and its young ladies, I immediately realised the opportunity ahead of me. Not wanting to irritate the great one with any unauthorised photographs, I promptly asked the young man at reception if it was ok to get a picture with Dorian. If it was not on, I added, I completely understood. However, I need not have worried. The young man informed me that all was fine just so long as I waited till Dorian had completed his training session.

So, at this point my attention turned away from ?Diesel? pressing 100kg on each arm on the ?Hammer? Chest Press Machine, and rather, shifted towards concentrating on my own session?.not for long though as you will soon find out. Meanwhile, as Steve and I progressed with our session, it was now evident to both of us that Temple Gym must possess some kind f contagious, infectious ?electric? energy and I witnessed at first hand the intensity of our workout grow rapidly.

A TRULY HUMBLE MAN

As I lowered to the floor the 75lb dumbbells at the end of my final set of seated shoulder presses, whilst turning round I saw Steve scrambling around the swamp of dumbbells on the floor in search of a couple of 105lb monsters.

It was at this point that Dorian exposed his astounding selflessness in assisting my friend. Noticing Steve?s unfamiliarity with the dumbbell system at Temple (I.e pre-historic looking dumbbells with barely legible, worn off weight markings) Dorian came across, and inquired with a genuinely caring manner as to what was troubling my friend. He then, after looking around for a short time removed the two dumbbells in question from the rack and laid them out in front of our bench for POWERBUILDER to use. The phrase ?service with a smile? sprung to mind. It did not end there.

Minutes later, Dorian asked to borrow Steve?s 105?s to which PB obviously obliged. Having completed a warm up set of incline flyes with them, ?Diesel? immediately, without hesitation, returned them all the way back to in front of the bench we were using. There we stood, stunned at how friendly and hugely considerate and helpful this hulking figure who we had only previously seen on magazine covers really was.

As quality tune after quality tune rolled out of the sound system, amidst a vocal from Naz, I could scarcely contain my excitement about the prospect of being a full member of this gym when my university course begins later this year.

When it was evident the great man was done, we approached with a greater feeling of easiness that we would not have expected top have felt in the presence of one so legendary.

Having showered and changed, we then made our way to the bar area where we ordered Dorian?s own range of MRPs whilst basking in the hardcore yet appealing atmosphere of Temple Gym. The young man behind the counter, we soon ascertained was Dorian?s son; confirming what we had initially suspected when we entered the Gym.

A thoroughly friendly, down-to-earth bloke, much like his father, we chatted to him as we sipped our MRPs which he had just whipped up for us. Pumped, happy, bursting with endorphins, we left Temple, our satisfaction of a great afternoon scarcely hidden by the expressions on our faces.

We made our way back home to London that evening, via a pit-stop for a couple of Subs and spent the journey home reflecting on a day of immense satisfaction. This chance meeting with ?The Shadow? having not really sunk in, even at this time. A professional, assuming no air of superiority whatsoever. A legend, a bodybuilding champion many times over, but above all a thoroughly humble, good bloke, Dorian Yates.

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Great stuff. Dorian has no peer. Not Ronnie Coleman either. Coleman looks bloated big and the Shadow was a piece of granite. I was awe struck by the old B&W’s of him. Neary 300lbs at 5’10" and it looked like he was carved. He had no weak bodyparts, and was a real credit to BB. Now we got Coleman who can barely spell his name and was a freakin’ cop while injecting trucks full of juice. That’s ironic.

DH

Great story. It’s good to see something positive about pro bodybuilding on this site. I agree that pro bodybuilding is largely a circus full of freaks, but some of the men involved clearly have honor and dignity. I don’t go for the slamming of Ronnie Coleman- he was incredible before he even started roiding, perhaps the strongest bodybuilder ever.

Yes his gut is too big but compared to some of his contemporaries, he’s doing okay. He doesn’t get involved in ridiculous controversies and petty rivalries- he just eats his chicken, lifts his gargantuan weights, and shows up at the Olympia in shape.

[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
Great stuff. Dorian has no peer. Not Ronnie Coleman either. Coleman looks bloated big and the Shadow was a piece of granite. I was awe struck by the old B&W’s of him. Neary 300lbs at 5’10" and it looked like he was carved. He had no weak bodyparts, and was a real credit to BB. Now we got Coleman who can barely spell his name and was a freakin’ cop while injecting trucks full of juice. That’s ironic.

DH[/quote]

Wow. Dorian Yates personified “blocky” and started the mass instead of esthetics craze. He won the Olympia without a biceps or a triceps, notable deformaties that were ignored by those who voted for him. To claim he had no weak body parts in spite of those blatant muscle tears is just blind.

A credit to bodybuilding? Before him, bodybuilders were still being judged by how their symmetry flowed. That ended with Yates…and now you act as if he was perfection?

[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
Now we got Coleman who can barely spell his name

DH[/quote]

Just to respond to this seperately, I am from the south. I grew up in Texas and to make this claim that he can’t spell his name despite being a college graduate yells out hatred that I just don’t understand. A southern accent doesn’t make you ignorant…especially when that “stupidty” has made you rich.

[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
Great stuff. Dorian has no peer. Not Ronnie Coleman either. Coleman looks bloated big and the Shadow was a piece of granite. I was awe struck by the old B&W’s of him. Neary 300lbs at 5’10" and it looked like he was carved. He had no weak bodyparts, and was a real credit to BB. Now we got Coleman who can barely spell his name and was a freakin’ cop while injecting trucks full of juice. That’s ironic.

DH[/quote]

So…How do you really feel about Coleman?

[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
Great stuff. Dorian has no peer. Not Ronnie Coleman either. Coleman looks bloated big and the Shadow was a piece of granite. I was awe struck by the old B&W’s of him. Neary 300lbs at 5’10" and it looked like he was carved. He had no weak bodyparts, and was a real credit to BB. Now we got Coleman who can barely spell his name and was a freakin’ cop while injecting trucks full of juice. That’s ironic.

DH[/quote]

You are exactly right with that analysis.

Coleman has taken Bodybuilding to yet a new low!

Great story.

Coleman didn’t start the freaky mass craze. He’s also the strongest bodybuilder ever. Apart from his GH gut he is the man. Dorian had the same freaky mass and yet you go on about his perfection? I don’t see the difference.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

You are exactly right with that analysis.

Coleman has taken Bodybuilding to yet a new low!

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Because Dorian took us to a new high? Get serious. Since Lee Haney’s time on stage, bodybuilding has been in a decline. To blame Coleman for this and not the ones that came before him that led bodybuilding to this level would be retarded. When Dorian first started competing again, he still looked half way human. Due to what I can only assume was Gh use, he helped bring in a fascination with mass for the sake of being bigger than everyone else. If your goal is to place blame, at least do it right and take it back to who started this…Dorian.

Good Story - i went to a Dorian Seminar about 7 years ago, the man was a beast, although it surprised me how short he was when he strolled past us after the show in baggy trousers and a jumper. But he certainly inspired me all those years ago.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Disc Hoss wrote:
Great stuff. Dorian has no peer. Not Ronnie Coleman either. Coleman looks bloated big and the Shadow was a piece of granite. I was awe struck by the old B&W’s of him. Neary 300lbs at 5’10" and it looked like he was carved. He had no weak bodyparts, and was a real credit to BB. Now we got Coleman who can barely spell his name and was a freakin’ cop while injecting trucks full of juice. That’s ironic.

DH

Wow. Dorian Yates personified “blocky” and started the mass instead of esthetics craze. He won the Olympia without a biceps or a triceps, notable deformaties that were ignored by those who voted for him. To claim he had no weak body parts in spite of those blatant muscle tears is just blind.

A credit to bodybuilding? Before him, bodybuilders were still being judged by how their symmetry flowed. That ended with Yates…and now you act as if he was perfection?[/quote]

I agree that Dorian was blocky, but he had a freakish density and graininess that others of his era couldn’t match. Personally I think guys like Sean Ray had the most aesthetic physiques at that time. But I guess that mass, dense grainy look was what the judges were after, probably to the detriment of bodybuilding to follow. But that’s not something we can blame Yates himself for. Whether he became Mr O, with the inevitable dynasty of wins to follow, or not, was always in the hands of the Weiders, who pulled the strings behind the scenes, for whatever agenda they had in mind.

Bodybuilding today could take another direction, by letting a Dexter Jackson, Mark Dugdale,or Darrem Charles type bodybuilder win, establishing a new aesthetic. But whether it happens or not is up to whoever is pulling the strings.

I will repeat again that I don’t understand the dissing of Ronnie Coleman. He is incredible and seems a decent human being, as were Dorian, Haney and Arnold, the other dynasts.

Nice story dude. I heard that Dorian was very friendly. Not stuck-up like some other guys in the busniess.

Perhaps I should clarify my remarks. I wasn’t comparing prior eras of BB with the current state, per se. I consider DY and RC to be more contemporaneous overall. The difference with Yates was the hardness. I’d probably attribute this to the lower rep training he performed causing a greater increase in myogenic tone and actual contractile protein growth vs. the sarcoplasmic look of many today (Coleman included).

I don’t know RC, obviously, but have you ever heard the man talk?? He sounds rather “challenged” to say the least. Not a blast on his character. ALL the big boys use AAS. Moot point.

Yates is a block of granite that took it to a new level (better? NO.) I’m trying to compare apples to apples overall. Yates B&W photos just blew my mind.

Also the IQ pointage is probably a bit skewed between the two. At least a grasp of grammar is. And this too is not important in the big picture. But, man it’s hard to be interested in pro BB at all when the current champ is eating gravel when he talks.

As I’ve mentioned on another post, I think Bill Pearl, Arnie, and Sergio all had the “best” physiques that BB has created. This is with due consideration as to cursory AAS use vs. the 24 hour IV drip of today’s pro.

Other favorites of mine:
Larry Scott, Mohammed Makawy, Robby Robinson, and Dave Draper.

DH.

Again, I don’t consider the uber mass of the early 90s forward as “perfection”. But Yates looks significantly different from today’s guys in density. A new/amazing look is all I’m saying.

I think Dillet started some of the bloat look of today. In addition to mass, you should try to look a bit harder. At least Yates did this.

Last (still too many AAS) guys to look symmetrical in the classical sense were Flex Wheeler and Dennis Newman.

Sorry to crush heroes, here. I don’t idolize DY. Just noting a difference in his “massness” and championship demeanor.

DH

[quote]ConorM wrote:
Great story.

Coleman didn’t start the freaky mass craze. He’s also the strongest bodybuilder ever. Apart from his GH gut he is the man. Dorian had the same freaky mass and yet you go on about his perfection? I don’t see the difference.[/quote]

#3: :wink:

Yates’ intelligence, humility, professinalism, commonality, and demeanor were the credit to BB. Not the new Mass at all costs phase. But if we are going to compare this “era”, Yates is unmatched for real quality muscle. Mod guys spend too much time in the higher rep ranges.

DH

PX. That proves it you ignorant hillbilly. ;-). I am the first generation of my family to cross the Mason-Dixon line, so THAT has nothing to do with my opinion.

And if being rich has anything to do with intelligence in any real 1:1 correlation then we’d better rethink pro sports. Idiots and intelligensia alike.

You’re a smart cookie so I think you’ll see my points from the other stuff I just posted. Be sure not to read too far into my comments (such as one’s own assumptions)

I certain don’t dislike RC. How can I, I don’t know him. But what I’ve seen makes me cringe. Mass at all costs is a wrong direction.

Give me a few decades ago.

DH
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quote]Professor X wrote:
Disc Hoss wrote:
Now we got Coleman who can barely spell his name

DH

Just to respond to this seperately, I am from the south. I grew up in Texas and to make this claim that he can’t spell his name despite being a college graduate yells out hatred that I just don’t understand. A southern accent doesn’t make you ignorant…especially when that “stupidty” has made you rich. [/quote]

[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
I certain don’t dislike RC. How can I, I don’t know him. But what I’ve seen makes me cringe. Mass at all costs is a wrong direction.

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I have spoken to him before and he doesn’t come across like an idiot. I thought his video was funny as hell simply because he was screaming like that. Obviously, he enjoys his damn workouts. You referred to Dorian as humble and intelligent…uh, the dude didn’t speak much…period. He avoided most open conversation and rarely even gave interviews.

How you assumed that this made him “intelligent” is beyond me. He was simply QUIET, and that means he was NOT a good ambassador for the sport because he DIDN’T SPEAK! I suppose Ronnie should have finished each workout with a few Cal II equations and a run down of all natural elements on planet Earth. The man isn’t stupid, regardless of what you think from the way he speaks.

If you asked a random person on the street who a Mr. Olympia was past Arnold, I guarantee more would know Ronnie simply because of the exposure. He has been on Jay Leno. The cover he did calling him the “largest man on Earth” was even passed around my hospital…and that place is almost devoid of weight trainers. Bottom line, if the question is who is the better ambassador, you can’t help but give that credit to Ronnie out of the two. I mean, shit, that act requires meeting people and speaking to the public…something Dorian NEVER did.

If Ronnie Coleman was just another BBer then I wouldn’t respect him as much as I do when I know he call pull 700 pounds etc. They guy could turn his hand to powerlifting very easily. I don’t think it would take him long to be very competitive.

Ronie Coleman is not the sharpest tool in the shed, or maybe the light is on but noone’s home kinda thing. He’s got crazy retard strenght though.

I don’t believe for a second that he never juiced in the past. He was roided to the gills like EVERYONE ELSE, but insulted our intelligence by saying he was natural. If he got to that level naturally then why bother juicing? What for? Or he could certainly use less with his great genetics so he did not have to get his GH gut, but he did get a GH gut, why? Because of ultra high dose abuse for long periods of time. Need i remind anyone of the older pictures of him in mags with raging gyno? But knowing Professor Coleman he’ll insist that was natural also.

Arnold was the best thing for the sport in the 70’s. Shawn Ray could have been the best for the sport in recent years. But someone who can formulate sentences well and presented interesting questions was not wanted, instead we got nimrod Coleman. Besides this is not even a sport, it’s a friggin pagent.

PX.

Cool your jets and watch the assumptions and associations. You’re smarter than that.

Obviously you have a leg up, having met RC. I don’t doubt that he is a personable/likeable guy.

Yates, when he did speak as I must concede that the Shadow lived up to his name, showed a keen grasp of training principles and had a quick subtle wit. Very polite and unassuming. And yes…sometimes quiet is a good thing as it shows a sense of humility and respect.

I don’t demand a PhD from the Olympia stud of the month. But it does wonders when one can dispell the myth of all brawn and no brains with the general public. You can talk too much, especially when you can’t generate an intelligible sentence that actually edifies the conversation.

And (joke here PX) Ronnie might need to stay after to school just to work on his flash cards. Cal II and Organic chem might have to wait.

And, being closely tied with a Big 10 academic institution in my area, a college degree does not a scholar make. In fact, some are practically stealing them. Many pro athletes go to college with double digit IQ’s and the grammar of a Chinese immigrant living here for all of 10 minutes.
College is a “workable” system to get through.

Best and Peace,
DH

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Disc Hoss wrote:
I certain don’t dislike RC. How can I, I don’t know him. But what I’ve seen makes me cringe. Mass at all costs is a wrong direction.

I have spoken to him before and he doesn’t come across like an idiot. I thought his video was funny as hell simply because he was screaming like that. Obviously, he enjoys his damn workouts. You referred to Dorian as humble and intelligent…uh, the dude didn’t speak much…period. He avoided most open conversation and rarely even gave interviews.

How you assumed that this made him “intelligent” is beyond me. He was simply QUIET, and that means he was NOT a good ambassador for the sport because he DIDN’T SPEAK! I suppose Ronnie should have finished each workout with a few Cal II equations and a run down of all natural elements on planet Earth. The man isn’t stupid, regardless of what you think from the way he speaks.

If you asked a random person on the street who a Mr. Olympia was past Arnold, I guarantee more would know Ronnie simply because of the exposure. He has been on Jay Leno. The cover he did calling him the “largest man on Earth” was even passed around my hospital…and that place is almost devoid of weight trainers. Bottom line, if the question is who is the better ambassador, you can’t help but give that credit to Ronnie out of the two. I mean, shit, that act requires meeting people and speaking to the public…something Dorian NEVER did.[/quote]