[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Baseball players shouldn’t use bats. It is gear that adds like 9000% performance to their sport. And glove, please. Bare hand or nothing. And don’t get me started on cleats.[/quote]
football too. Dont tell me how many tackles you can make with all that equipment, I only want to know what you can do RAWWWWWWWWWW. And golf, quit using a club, thats cheating.
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
Awesome! Awesome! Awesome!
How can anyone argue with this? This is all you need to settle any “debate”.
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
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Awesome! Awesome! Awesome!
How can anyone argue with this? This is all you need to settle any “debate”.[/quote]
Easily.
Video contains a mere handful of all squats performed in SPF meets.
Producer of video went and chose videos already pegged as high squats.
Producer ignores SPF squats that are legit.
???
100% RAWWWWWW PROFIT!
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
[/quote]
Awesome! Awesome! Awesome!
How can anyone argue with this? This is all you need to settle any “debate”.[/quote]
Easily.
Video contains a mere handful of all squats performed in SPF meets.
Producer of video went and chose videos already pegged as high squats.
Producer ignores SPF squats that are legit.
???
100% RAWWWWWW PROFIT![/quote]
Are you telling me that after seeing any ONE of those squats you could take a fed like that seriously? That is all anyone needs to see. Those were all super slow (which makes them very easy to judge,even from the front)and very easily 3+ inches above parallel. Not too hard for anyone to see that passing lifts like that and calling them world records is going to make you loose the credibility game.
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
[/quote]
Awesome! Awesome! Awesome!
How can anyone argue with this? This is all you need to settle any “debate”.[/quote]
Easily.
Video contains a mere handful of all squats performed in SPF meets.
Producer of video went and chose videos already pegged as high squats.
Producer ignores SPF squats that are legit.
???
100% RAWWWWWW PROFIT![/quote]
Are you telling me that after seeing any ONE of those squats you could take a fed like that seriously? That is all anyone needs to see. Those were all super slow (which makes them very easy to judge,even from the front)and very easily 3+ inches above parallel. Not too hard for anyone to see that passing lifts like that and calling them world records is going to make you loose the credibility game. [/quote]
LOL
thousands of squats…hundreds of judges…a mere selected handful of alleged youtube videos of high squats…and you want me to declare, “I SAY, IT SEEMS THE SPF IS NOT CREDIBLE AT ALL, HARK, LEAVE IT LIFTERS, DO NOT LIFT IN IT?”
on that note…HOLY HELL THE USAPL DIDNT PASS A SQUAT CLEARLY TO DEPTH! THEY REDLIGHTED A BENCH FOR RIDICULOUS REASONS! EVERYONE, THE USAPL HAS LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
[/quote]
Awesome! Awesome! Awesome!
How can anyone argue with this? This is all you need to settle any “debate”.[/quote]
Easily.
Video contains a mere handful of all squats performed in SPF meets.
Producer of video went and chose videos already pegged as high squats.
Producer ignores SPF squats that are legit.
???
100% RAWWWWWW PROFIT![/quote]
Are you telling me that after seeing any ONE of those squats you could take a fed like that seriously? That is all anyone needs to see. Those were all super slow (which makes them very easy to judge,even from the front)and very easily 3+ inches above parallel. Not too hard for anyone to see that passing lifts like that and calling them world records is going to make you loose the credibility game. [/quote]
The hasty generalization is one of the classical formal logical fallacies, and it appears you have fallen for it. I have seen bad calls in every sport on the planet. By your logic, I should take no sports seriously.
my word, the UPA passed a bench press without making the lifter pause on his chest…scratch the UPA from the credible list.
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
[/quote]
Awesome! Awesome! Awesome!
How can anyone argue with this? This is all you need to settle any “debate”.[/quote]
Easily.
Video contains a mere handful of all squats performed in SPF meets.
Producer of video went and chose videos already pegged as high squats.
Producer ignores SPF squats that are legit.
???
100% RAWWWWWW PROFIT![/quote]
Are you telling me that after seeing any ONE of those squats you could take a fed like that seriously? That is all anyone needs to see. Those were all super slow (which makes them very easy to judge,even from the front)and very easily 3+ inches above parallel. Not too hard for anyone to see that passing lifts like that and calling them world records is going to make you loose the credibility game. [/quote]
Who says these lifts were passed??? Nowhere in any of these clips does it show lights…
[quote]Ty Carlson wrote:
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
[/quote]
Awesome! Awesome! Awesome!
How can anyone argue with this? This is all you need to settle any “debate”.[/quote]
Easily.
Video contains a mere handful of all squats performed in SPF meets.
Producer of video went and chose videos already pegged as high squats.
Producer ignores SPF squats that are legit.
???
100% RAWWWWWW PROFIT![/quote]
Are you telling me that after seeing any ONE of those squats you could take a fed like that seriously? That is all anyone needs to see. Those were all super slow (which makes them very easy to judge,even from the front)and very easily 3+ inches above parallel. Not too hard for anyone to see that passing lifts like that and calling them world records is going to make you loose the credibility game. [/quote]
Who says these lifts were passed??? Nowhere in any of these clips does it show lights…
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In fact, given the first lifters less than happy reaction, I’d guess they were reds.
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
[quote]Ty Carlson wrote:
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
[/quote]
Awesome! Awesome! Awesome!
How can anyone argue with this? This is all you need to settle any “debate”.[/quote]
Easily.
Video contains a mere handful of all squats performed in SPF meets.
Producer of video went and chose videos already pegged as high squats.
Producer ignores SPF squats that are legit.
???
100% RAWWWWWW PROFIT![/quote]
Are you telling me that after seeing any ONE of those squats you could take a fed like that seriously? That is all anyone needs to see. Those were all super slow (which makes them very easy to judge,even from the front)and very easily 3+ inches above parallel. Not too hard for anyone to see that passing lifts like that and calling them world records is going to make you loose the credibility game. [/quote]
Who says these lifts were passed??? Nowhere in any of these clips does it show lights…
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In fact, given the first lifters less than happy reaction, I’d guess they were reds.[/quote]
Every fed has bad calls.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
[quote]Ty Carlson wrote:
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
[/quote]
Awesome! Awesome! Awesome!
How can anyone argue with this? This is all you need to settle any “debate”.[/quote]
Easily.
Video contains a mere handful of all squats performed in SPF meets.
Producer of video went and chose videos already pegged as high squats.
Producer ignores SPF squats that are legit.
???
100% RAWWWWWW PROFIT![/quote]
Are you telling me that after seeing any ONE of those squats you could take a fed like that seriously? That is all anyone needs to see. Those were all super slow (which makes them very easy to judge,even from the front)and very easily 3+ inches above parallel. Not too hard for anyone to see that passing lifts like that and calling them world records is going to make you loose the credibility game. [/quote]
Who says these lifts were passed??? Nowhere in any of these clips does it show lights…
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In fact, given the first lifters less than happy reaction, I’d guess they were reds.[/quote]
Every fed has bad calls.[/quote]
I could make a Country and Western song out of that 
I understand that every fed/sport has bad calls. I just didn’t understand the point of the video. If it was to discredit the SPF by showing a bunch of high squats, they failed because based on observation of the lifters’ reactions, they were red lighted so how does that discredit them?
It’s like showing baseball videos of swings and misses and the ump calling a strike.
that compilation video was ridiculous… but that touch n go bench was worse IMO. I mean, Come on Son!
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
I could make a Country and Western song out of that
I understand that every fed/sport has bad calls. I just didn’t understand the point of the video. If it was to discredit the SPF by showing a bunch of high squats, they failed because based on observation of the lifters’ reactions, they were red lighted so how does that discredit them?
It’s like showing baseball videos of swings and misses and the ump calling a strike.[/quote]
Most of these were passed – I remember when a lot of these happened. I can’t speak for all of them.
As I mentioned in the other thread, bad calls are a part of the sport. But when they happen every single meet and it starts to become a trend, I can see people getting upset about it. Some feds consistently seem to “miss” calls.
Lots of feds miss calls, but I don’t think any federation gets as much scrutiny as the SPF. Why do you think that is?
Im a PL noooooob over here but I had a question (sorry if its been discussed already)
But have there been any talks of creating a sensor system to check depth? Like a small stick on sensor that goes on the top of your knee and right on your hip crease. When those two drop down and are parallel it would beep or take note? something like that?
We most definitely have the technology for this to happen… If they made re usable stick on sensors (like the size of a quarter) it would be so easy and there would be no argument. Whoever created that system and marketed it to a PL federation would be rich lol
[quote]frankjl wrote:
Lots of feds miss calls, but I don’t think any federation gets as much scrutiny as the SPF. Why do you think that is?[/quote]
SPF consistently has the most big name multi ply lifters, so more people pay attention, and more people look for problems.
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]frankjl wrote:
Lots of feds miss calls, but I don’t think any federation gets as much scrutiny as the SPF. Why do you think that is?[/quote]
SPF consistently has the most big name multi ply lifters, so more people pay attention, and more people look for problems. [/quote]
I will respectfully disagree with your opinion on this.
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
But how is Kaz better than Thompson if Donnie has the higher total?[/quote]
Because Kaz walked out his squats and was RAW. Nothing against geared lifting, but comparing the two is like asking who is a better team, the Knicks, or the Yankees? I like RAW lifting better, just my opinion. Now, it takes total guts to get under a loaded barbell of 1200+lbs, dont get me wrong, but, there is no comparison to yesteryear. Look at the physiques between now and then. For the most part, we were looking at larger, more developed shoulders, a thicker/deeper chest, bigger quads and fuller upper back. This was due to all the hypertrophy work they did to get stronger and lay a huge foundation for the huge numbers lifted without assistance. We dont see that as much these days.
I was at the NERB back in like 2006 and seen Donnie squat 870 RAW (didnt get passed for some dumbass reason-was plenty deep though) bench 565 RAW and pull 800 RAW totaling arond 2200 RAW.
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
I could make a Country and Western song out of that
I understand that every fed/sport has bad calls. I just didn’t understand the point of the video. If it was to discredit the SPF by showing a bunch of high squats, they failed because based on observation of the lifters’ reactions, they were red lighted so how does that discredit them?
It’s like showing baseball videos of swings and misses and the ump calling a strike.[/quote]
You think AJ was pissed in that first lift? He’s happy, pretty obvious to me. I didn’t make the video so I will not comment but I think alot of those lifts were passed and many of them record lifts.
I’m a fan of all strength sports. In powerlifting, I’ll take a big raw lift over a geared lift any day. I respect the geared lifting and with the little bit I’ve used it have to agree, it’s really hard. Donnie’s total is amazing and the guy has my respect, not that he needs it.
I think the gear is a bit out of hand. His biggest raw squat is in the middle 800’s I think. I know he was red lighted on a higher number than that at a nerb meet that also was a bad call and should have been passed. Still, we are talking about a 400+lb difference in his raw vs geared squat.
My point is this. Are guys getting stronger, or are they getting better at using the gear? I think it’s both but one much more than another. Think about how little the raw records have moved vs the geared records.
[quote]frankjl wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]frankjl wrote:
Lots of feds miss calls, but I don’t think any federation gets as much scrutiny as the SPF. Why do you think that is?[/quote]
SPF consistently has the most big name multi ply lifters, so more people pay attention, and more people look for problems. [/quote]
I will respectfully disagree with your opinion on this.[/quote]
Fair enough. What do you think?
[quote]gregron wrote:
Im a PL noooooob over here but I had a question (sorry if its been discussed already)
But have there been any talks of creating a sensor system to check depth? Like a small stick on sensor that goes on the top of your knee and right on your hip crease. When those two drop down and are parallel it would beep or take note? something like that?
We most definitely have the technology for this to happen… If they made re usable stick on sensors (like the size of a quarter) it would be so easy and there would be no argument. Whoever created that system and marketed it to a PL federation would be rich lol
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I think that particular scenario would not be cost effective, but I believe some computer software exists that does this; so all you would need is a video from the side, and it would be a lot cheaper than the sensors and not “invasive.” One judge would remain I guess, but you could drop the other two. This would be a good sport to introduce something like that, too, since you wouldn’t have a huge number of traditionalist fans arguing against the technology (like in the major spectator sports…think the “human element” of officiating).
On this whole debate, I’ll say what I always say: I hate gear and I’ll never go that route…probably because I have a little baby frame and wouldn’t tolerate the ridiculous weights involved. However, and this is a big however, the existence of gear doesn’t bother me at all. If that’s what a person chooses to do, that’s perfectly OK, and that’s why there is a distinction. Props to Donnie for this absurd feat.