Donnie Thompson Totals 3,000!!!

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
Previously I mentioned my fear of injury if there was an equipment malfunction during a lift.

Here’s another question- At what point does anyone think that the gear will surpass what the body can handle?? I’ve seen many times guys in multiply gear squatting these huges weights and before they even begin the lift they are shaking like crazy under all the stress. Throughout the lift it appears to be a very fine line between staying in the groove of the equipment and getting out of it and crashing and burning. Same with bench. As soon as the bar is lifted off, just an inch or so out of the groove and the weight can get dumped.

So, at what point do you think it will just be too much for the body to handle?? I’ve always competed raw and have little experience with gear other than competing along side geared lifters. It appears that gear for the squat and bench have made drastic leaps in a short period of time. I’m sure there will be gear that will allow for a 1500lb squat or a 1200lb bench but can the human body withstand it?? [/quote]

Only one way to find out…

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
Previously I mentioned my fear of injury if there was an equipment malfunction during a lift.

Here’s another question- At what point does anyone think that the gear will surpass what the body can handle?? I’ve seen many times guys in multiply gear squatting these huges weights and before they even begin the lift they are shaking like crazy under all the stress. Throughout the lift it appears to be a very fine line between staying in the groove of the equipment and getting out of it and crashing and burning. Same with bench. As soon as the bar is lifted off, just an inch or so out of the groove and the weight can get dumped.

So, at what point do you think it will just be too much for the body to handle?? I’ve always competed raw and have little experience with gear other than competing along side geared lifters. It appears that gear for the squat and bench have made drastic leaps in a short period of time. I’m sure there will be gear that will allow for a 1500lb squat or a 1200lb bench but can the human body withstand it?? [/quote]

Only one way to find out…

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yes… but i was hoping for more discussion on the matter. especially from you geared guys. I’m asking because i have no clue.

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:
you too dixie hand it over[/quote]

wait…wrong gif…thread saved!!![/quote]

Why does every single powerlifting thread turn into a RAW vs gear clusterfuck? Not really even a debate, just a mess. EVERY. SINGLE. THREAD.

Assholes.

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
Previously I mentioned my fear of injury if there was an equipment malfunction during a lift.

Here’s another question- At what point does anyone think that the gear will surpass what the body can handle?? I’ve seen many times guys in multiply gear squatting these huges weights and before they even begin the lift they are shaking like crazy under all the stress. Throughout the lift it appears to be a very fine line between staying in the groove of the equipment and getting out of it and crashing and burning. Same with bench. As soon as the bar is lifted off, just an inch or so out of the groove and the weight can get dumped.

So, at what point do you think it will just be too much for the body to handle?? I’ve always competed raw and have little experience with gear other than competing along side geared lifters. It appears that gear for the squat and bench have made drastic leaps in a short period of time. I’m sure there will be gear that will allow for a 1500lb squat or a 1200lb bench but can the human body withstand it?? [/quote]

Only one way to find out…

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yes… but i was hoping for more discussion on the matter. especially from you geared guys. I’m asking because i have no clue.
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Honestly, I dont really have an answer. I have only lifted and competed (in all of my one meet lol) in single ply. I dont see the problem you describe happening with single ply unless one just chooses a weight that is absolutely too much.

The upper half of my squat, I dont get much extra help from my suit, so if I couldnt merely stand upright without violent shaking, its cause I cant support it, the gear wont magically fix that when I begin my squat.

I may have misunderstood what you were getting at though…

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I can certainly see that while squat suits and knee wraps, help one extend ones hips and knees, it does nothing in regard to axial lumbar support. I question the longterm axial loads effects on the intervertebral discs or vertebral bodies in that case.

In discussion with a fellow physician, who has treated 2 powerlifters who had given themselves a cauda equina injury, I wondered if this was enhanced by gear use. Unfortunately, he does not know enough specifics about the sport to answer my question.

In my own person experience (10+years of singly ply), I would wear my gear so tight that I would have hemorhages in my face and torso from my suit and bench shirt after using them. I wondered about the types of pressures that were building up in my brain or any other areas internally, that I did not need to have elevated vascular pressure.

Gear helps. With single ply, I could get 150 pounds from my suit and knee wraps. I could also get 80 - 100 pounds out of my shirt. On deadlift, I could get 50 lbs from my suit. My contest bests were in the 165 lb wt class where I squatted 524, bench 364, and pulled 512.

My best raw performance at 165 was just this past April where I squatted 369, benched 270, and pulled 474. While my numbers are much more modest as a raw lifter, I have found training and competing much simpler. I no longer have to spend the last 8 to 12 weeks of contest, learning how to use a piece of fabric. I no longer have to depend on someone else to help me into my gear. Meets are much more stress free.

beef

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[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
But how is Kaz better than Thompson if Donnie has the higher total?[/quote]

Because I said so.

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It’s getting close . I would compete mixed if my right shoulder was ok to do . Maybe raw with wraps, possible multiply shirt for the shirt but not jacked to much and a multiply deadlift suit. I have a metal king deadlifter that I don’t put on to tight. I guess it’s consisted multiply because of the Velcro straps

I don’t get s tight one because I like my balls. Back in my day there were no raw meets . You had to wear gear to be competitive. Now you have a choice and I think that’s a good thing.

But even our single ply stuff is much better with tremendous carryover . I’ve heard 150 lbs for single ply shirts? I got 10 lbs from my inzer blast . Single ply Feds are as bad compared to the good ole days. I got maybe 50-60lbs on my total from all my gear fwiw.

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ote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
Previously I mentioned my fear of injury if there was an equipment malfunction during a lift.

Here’s another question- At what point does anyone think that the gear will surpass what the body can handle?? I’ve seen many times guys in multiply gear squatting these huges weights and before they even begin the lift they are shaking like crazy under all the stress. Throughout the lift it appears to be a very fine line between staying in the groove of the equipment and getting out of it and crashing and burning. Same with bench. As soon as the bar is lifted off, just an inch or so out of the groove and the weight can get dumped.

So, at what point do you think it will just be too much for the body to handle?? I’ve always competed raw and have little experience with gear other than competing along side geared lifters. It appears that gear for the squat and bench have made drastic leaps in a short period of time. I’m sure there will be gear that will allow for a 1500lb squat or a 1200lb bench but can the human body withstand it?? [/quote]

Only one way to find out…

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yes… but i was hoping for more discussion on the matter. especially from you geared guys. I’m asking because i have no clue.
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[quote]grettiron wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:
you too dixie hand it over[/quote]

wait…wrong gif…thread saved!!![/quote]

Why does every single powerlifting thread turn into a RAW vs gear clusterfuck? Not really even a debate, just a mess. EVERY. SINGLE. THREAD.

Assholes.[/quote]

Because no one cares outside of the lifters. It’s a bunch of gangbangers fighting over turf. Turf no one wants but it’s mine/yours/theirs. When there’s actually big money in the sport everyone gets a nice piece of pie.

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
Previously I mentioned my fear of injury if there was an equipment malfunction during a lift.

Here’s another question- At what point does anyone think that the gear will surpass what the body can handle?? I’ve seen many times guys in multiply gear squatting these huges weights and before they even begin the lift they are shaking like crazy under all the stress. Throughout the lift it appears to be a very fine line between staying in the groove of the equipment and getting out of it and crashing and burning. Same with bench. As soon as the bar is lifted off, just an inch or so out of the groove and the weight can get dumped.

So, at what point do you think it will just be too much for the body to handle?? I’ve always competed raw and have little experience with gear other than competing along side geared lifters. It appears that gear for the squat and bench have made drastic leaps in a short period of time. I’m sure there will be gear that will allow for a 1500lb squat or a 1200lb bench but can the human body withstand it?? [/quote]

Only one way to find out…

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yes… but i was hoping for more discussion on the matter. especially from you geared guys. I’m asking because i have no clue.
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Honestly, I dont really have an answer. I have only lifted and competed (in all of my one meet lol) in single ply. I dont see the problem you describe happening with single ply unless one just chooses a weight that is absolutely too much.

The upper half of my squat, I dont get much extra help from my suit, so if I couldnt merely stand upright without violent shaking, its cause I cant support it, the gear wont magically fix that when I begin my squat.

I may have misunderstood what you were getting at though…[/quote]

I have just begun collecting some multiply gear. I have been pretty profricient in raw and single ply lifting in the past. The skill involved in using more ply’s is absolutely ridiculous. Form and technique need to be spot on because there is no “muscle-ing” that kind of weight up. I got about 100lbs just out of the breifs the first time I put them on. Once I get the suit in and have time to do some training in it, I am expecting a 1,000lb squat in my first meet.

That being said, I don’t think there is going to be a limit in what people can do in this shit. You are going to be restricted by 2 things in more gear, your skill (including strength) and how much pressure you can mentally and physically withstand. I’ve met a lot of crazy ass, non drug tested, multiply guys that have the skill and the mental fortitude to keep putting weight on the bar but, damn. I agree. Something has to give. Whether it is structural or some kind of pressure induced organ failure or whatever the hell else could possibly go wrong. Someone will eventually die with a bar on their back. And I bet they do it and still get three white lights.

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Multi-ply lifting is what it is. I don’t like it, so I don’t do it. It’s a different sport, why should I complain about a different sport that I don’t compete in? I’m not competing against him, why should I care?

The only thing I like more about geared lifting is that they don’t spend half their time worry and complaining about other forms of lifting.

The fact that all his ligaments and disks are still in the right places is more amazing than anything I’ll ever accomplish in lifting.

And to meat who mentioned worrying when you see lifts like that, I will bet you that if I took that weight you wouldn’t have to worry about injury, because I’d never get it out of the rack.

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[quote]grettiron wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:
you too dixie hand it over[/quote]

wait…wrong gif…thread saved!!![/quote]

Why does every single powerlifting thread turn into a RAW vs gear clusterfuck? Not really even a debate, just a mess. EVERY. SINGLE. THREAD.

Assholes.[/quote]

Because no one cares outside of the lifters. It’s a bunch of gangbangers fighting over turf. Turf no one wants but it’s mine/yours/theirs. When there’s actually big money in the sport everyone gets a nice piece of pie.

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[quote]jakerz96 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I don’t care if some guy in buttfuck Iowa is wearing a robocop suit and squatting 9000lbs in a fed called UPMYASSPF. Good on him, he’s doing what he loves.[/quote]

Buttfuck Iowa! Says the guy from North Dakota…[/quote]

I will have you know I am simply stationed here good sir! Although part of the reason I’m a big fan of the large number of feds is the fact that I was still able to find a fed to compete in up here without having to to travel a thousand miles.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
Tom, T3h,

I totally see where both of you are coming from, and you both make good points, but here is some facts:

  1. in no other athletic sport, has attire one wears increased performance 20-35%

  2. there are too many feds. you never see these type of arguments/controversy/ “whinning” whatever you want to call it, with other strength sports. I follow OL, strongman, and throwing, this sort of thing never happens there, why? there is consistent standards set by legitimate governing bodies/federations

  3. only in the powerlifting game, can a fan be bashed like this for criticizing an athletes performance or organization. for example, say on a morning talk show covering pro football, if Peyton Manning had a bad game, or got a gift call, and a few people called him out for it, you never see a bunch of “bros” piling on him and saying things like “shut the fuck up, you cant read a defense as good as a pro quarterback can” or something like: “quit whining, you cant throw a football as far or as accurate as Peyton can”

see how ridiculous that attitude is when put into context?
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I honestly don’t find myself caring about your points. I don’t think there are too many feds, nor do I really care what other sports are doing, and I HAVE seen a bunch of bros piling on guys who talk shit about pro players. The term “armchair quarterbacks” springs immediately to mind.

It’s just powerlifting. It’s definitely not a mainstream sport. If you want to follow one of those, pick one. I do this because I like getting stronger. I don’t care if some guy in buttfuck Iowa is wearing a robocop suit and squatting 9000lbs in a fed called UPMYASSPF. Good on him, he’s doing what he loves.[/quote]

I tried to be nice and cede some points and you got all ballsy and went on the attack.

my mistake for trying to be civil on an internet forum. I guess some people see that as a sign of weakness and get all ugly.

is this better?:

I really don’t care what YOUR point is. PL is a fucking joke of a sport now days because of the gear and backyard/garage feds/meets. you are wrong, I am right, I am smart and your a dumbass.

NOW you have something to get all shitty about typing on your keyboard. [/quote]

I was not being ballsy, nor was I being on the attack. I am being honest with you dude, I honestly don’t care about the points you’re making. I felt I was being civil as well, because rather than just say you’re wrong and call you a tard, I explained my reasoning to you.

I never said I didn’t care what your point was, I said I didn’t care about your points.

Please don’t be overly sensitive about interweb stuff. This is a discussion. One person presents their points, and the other side responds. You presented your points which you felt very strong about, and I informed you that they didn’t matter to me. That would be called a difference of opinion. It happens, and when it happens between two adults, they don’t get pissy over it.

Goddamn, this is getting silly. We’re arguing over the clothes other men are wearing FFS.

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If you’re strong you should be strong both raw and in gear.

If you get stronger in whatever class you lift in, in whatever gear, in whatever federation with whatever judging, you have improved as a lifter in technique or strength or whatever other quality, a good lifter should be improving and deserves respect for their dedication to that improvement regardless of what they’re wearing. I lift raw but I train with an equal mix of geared and raw lifters and there’s never been any disrespect.

My issue is when people point to Donnie Thompson or another multiply guy and say “but he’s way weaker than X or Y because he’s in gear and gear gives him X lbs.” I respect strong people. You know who’s a really fucking strong dude? Donnie Thompson, and he just hit a milestone in the gear and with the judging in federation in which he lifts, awesome for him.

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T3h has a great point. I lifted where it was close .

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[quote]BEAR BORN wrote:
If you’re strong you should be strong both raw and in gear.

If you get stronger in whatever class you lift in, in whatever gear, in whatever federation with whatever judging, you have improved as a lifter in technique or strength or whatever other quality, a good lifter should be improving and deserves respect for their dedication to that improvement regardless of what they’re wearing. I lift raw but I train with an equal mix of geared and raw lifters and there’s never been any disrespect.

My issue is when people point to Donnie Thompson or another multiply guy and say “but he’s way weaker than X or Y because he’s in gear and gear gives him X lbs.” I respect strong people. You know who’s a really fucking strong dude? Donnie Thompson, and he just hit a milestone in the gear and with the judging in federation in which he lifts, awesome for him. [/quote]

I’m not a powerlifter nor do I read much into federations, gear, or juice. I could care less if this guy had a needle stuck in his arm as he did this. Fucking heavy ass weight.

I’ve been showing the video to everyone at work, I’ll stop by their desk and just play it. I don’t say anything, I just play it. Strong bastard.

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Bearborn is correct . I can sort of gyesstimate what a guy can do raw. Hell, the new single ply gear gives much more carryover than the 82-88 stuff so even ipf comparisons are invalid.

But strong is strong. It sorts itself out.

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[quote]BEAR BORN wrote:
If you’re strong you should be strong both raw and in gear.

If you get stronger in whatever class you lift in, in whatever gear, in whatever federation with whatever judging, you have improved as a lifter in technique or strength or whatever other quality, a good lifter should be improving and deserves respect for their dedication to that improvement regardless of what they’re wearing. I lift raw but I train with an equal mix of geared and raw lifters and there’s never been any disrespect.

My issue is when people point to Donnie Thompson or another multiply guy and say “but he’s way weaker than X or Y because he’s in gear and gear gives him X lbs.” I respect strong people. You know who’s a really fucking strong dude? Donnie Thompson, and he just hit a milestone in the gear and with the judging in federation in which he lifts, awesome for him. [/quote]

This so hard. People are overcomplicating this shit, and it’s a total case of the “fun police”.

Get stronger, however you do it.

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Baseball players shouldn’t use bats. It is gear that adds like 9000% performance to their sport. And glove, please. Bare hand or nothing. And don’t get me started on cleats.