i hope he gets a 1000lb bench thatd be insane, love donnie thompson.
completely off donnie thompson topic but does anyone know if chuck vogelophl still competes?
[quote]jacob-1310 wrote:
i hope he gets a 1000lb bench thatd be insane, love donnie thompson.
completely off donnie thompson topic but does anyone know if chuck vogelophl still competes? [/quote]
yup. far as I know he hasnt retired.
My 2 cents (as a USAPL raw lifter and a guy training for his first SPF multiply meet)
I wish the sport would focus more on specific competitions than actual records, because obviously you can’t compare records. You can’t compare the best golfers from current day to yesteryear due to advances in equipment, and you don’t see anyone saying they should go back to wooden clubs to see how they score compare to Arnold Palmer. Its also hard to compare who is the best hitter ever in baseball, or how Kareem compares to Wilt. However, every athlete would take any advantage he can get in his specific competition. Why can’t we just focus on the competition.
In multiply powerlifting, arguably the biggest meet was held this past weekend. Donnie had a great day and hit a PR! That is awesome. Dave Hoff won the meet, and now is top dog in multiply. Tuscherer just rocked a raw drug tested national meet. He is probably the top raw powerlifter at 275. However, its impossible to compare these two 275ers in my mind due to them competing with different equipment. Maybe someday Hoff will do a raw meet, or Mike will do a multiply meet, and then we could compare a little. But right now I think we should just focus on the competition and who wins meets.
Why is Michael Jordan regarded as the greatest basketball player ever? He won 6 championships. Wilt had more total points.
Side note: I do not mean for this post to undermine going for PRs and competing against yourself in powerlifting. This is personally my favorite part of the sport, but since we are all about comparisons, I thought I would give my two cents.
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]jacob-1310 wrote:
i hope he gets a 1000lb bench thatd be insane, love donnie thompson.
completely off donnie thompson topic but does anyone know if chuck vogelophl still competes? [/quote]
yup. far as I know he hasnt retired.[/quote]
Chuck is alive and well and trains at Lexen Xtreme in Grove City. Brandon Lilly updates the Lexen training logs with all of their training.
[quote]ajweins wrote:
My 2 cents (as a USAPL raw lifter and a guy training for his first SPF multiply meet)
I wish the sport would focus more on specific competitions than actual records, because obviously you can’t compare records. You can’t compare the best golfers from current day to yesteryear due to advances in equipment, and you don’t see anyone saying they should go back to wooden clubs to see how they score compare to Arnold Palmer. Its also hard to compare who is the best hitter ever in baseball, or how Kareem compares to Wilt. However, every athlete would take any advantage he can get in his specific competition. Why can’t we just focus on the competition.
In multiply powerlifting, arguably the biggest meet was held this past weekend. Donnie had a great day and hit a PR! That is awesome. Dave Hoff won the meet, and now is top dog in multiply. Tuscherer just rocked a raw drug tested national meet. He is probably the top raw powerlifter at 275. However, its impossible to compare these two 275ers in my mind due to them competing with different equipment. Maybe someday Hoff will do a raw meet, or Mike will do a multiply meet, and then we could compare a little. But right now I think we should just focus on the competition and who wins meets.
Why is Michael Jordan regarded as the greatest basketball player ever? He won 6 championships. Wilt had more total points.
Side note: I do not mean for this post to undermine going for PRs and competing against yourself in powerlifting. This is personally my favorite part of the sport, but since we are all about comparisons, I thought I would give my two cents.[/quote]
Beautiful Post.
alright thanks for the link. Hes my fav powerlifter lol
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
You think AJ was pissed in that first lift? He’s happy, pretty obvious to me. I didn’t make the video so I will not comment but I think alot of those lifts were passed and many of them record lifts.
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Exactly…the fact that anyone could interpret his body language as anything but “enthusiastic” is laughable to me…how would someone with such a poor ability to read people’s body language get by in their day to day lives?
Here is where I will say my piece:
How do you people saying that you can’t judge a squat from the front justify the need for a front judge? Just to give the squat command?
There is a reason you never see a video of a squat from the side in an SPF meet–they say explicitly going into the meet that anyone who attempts to videotape a side squat will be escorted off premises–this goes for lifters and spectators alike…they are very secretive…
Exact quote from the MC at an SPF meet:
“There are only 3 reasons to want to videotape from the side: to beat the lifter down, to beat the judges down, and to beat the federation down”
Take what you want from that…
Obviously AJ’s squat at the start and the last squat in the video were passed judging by their reaction, but none of the other clips have any indication as to whether they were passed or not…posting it in this thread seems pretty fuckin irrelevant, it doesn’t prove any point whatsoever. If people think it does, then they’ve gone full on retard.
[quote]Ty Carlson wrote:
Obviously AJ’s squat at the start and the last squat in the video were passed judging by their reaction, but none of the other clips have any indication as to whether they were passed or not…posting it in this thread seems pretty fuckin irrelevant, it doesn’t prove any point whatsoever. If people think it does, then they’ve gone full on retard.[/quote]
Man I completely missed the point of the video and clearly can’t read body language. I guess it’s a good thing I work with numbers for a living and not people. I just can’t that bent out of shape over raw, single, multi-ply and have to echo AJweins excellent post above.
Kaz wasn’t lifting raw. He used superstore and wraps. They weren’t as effective as gear now but they did help.
[quote]RUHLFAN wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
But how is Kaz better than Thompson if Donnie has the higher total?[/quote]
Because Kaz walked out his squats and was RAW. Nothing against geared lifting, but comparing the two is like asking who is a better team, the Knicks, or the Yankees? I like RAW lifting better, just my opinion. Now, it takes total guts to get under a loaded barbell of 1200+lbs, dont get me wrong, but, there is no comparison to yesteryear. Look at the physiques between now and then. For the most part, we were looking at larger, more developed shoulders, a thicker/deeper chest, bigger quads and fuller upper back. This was due to all the hypertrophy work they did to get stronger and lay a huge foundation for the huge numbers lifted without assistance. We dont see that as much these days.
I was at the NERB back in like 2006 and seen Donnie squat 870 RAW (didnt get passed for some dumbass reason-was plenty deep though) bench 565 RAW and pull 800 RAW totaling arond 2200 RAW.
[quote]Ty Carlson wrote:
Obviously AJ’s squat at the start and the last squat in the video were passed judging by their reaction, but none of the other clips have any indication as to whether they were passed or not…posting it in this thread seems pretty fuckin irrelevant, it doesn’t prove any point whatsoever. If people think it does, then they’ve gone full on retard.[/quote]
You never go full retard.
[quote]ajweins wrote:
My 2 cents (as a USAPL raw lifter and a guy training for his first SPF multiply meet)
I wish the sport would focus more on specific competitions than actual records, because obviously you can’t compare records. You can’t compare the best golfers from current day to yesteryear due to advances in equipment, and you don’t see anyone saying they should go back to wooden clubs to see how they score compare to Arnold Palmer. Its also hard to compare who is the best hitter ever in baseball, or how Kareem compares to Wilt. However, every athlete would take any advantage he can get in his specific competition. Why can’t we just focus on the competition.
In multiply powerlifting, arguably the biggest meet was held this past weekend. Donnie had a great day and hit a PR! That is awesome. Dave Hoff won the meet, and now is top dog in multiply. Tuscherer just rocked a raw drug tested national meet. He is probably the top raw powerlifter at 275. However, its impossible to compare these two 275ers in my mind due to them competing with different equipment. Maybe someday Hoff will do a raw meet, or Mike will do a multiply meet, and then we could compare a little. But right now I think we should just focus on the competition and who wins meets.
Why is Michael Jordan regarded as the greatest basketball player ever? He won 6 championships. Wilt had more total points.
Side note: I do not mean for this post to undermine going for PRs and competing against yourself in powerlifting. This is personally my favorite part of the sport, but since we are all about comparisons, I thought I would give my two cents.[/quote]
Good post with a lot of good points, but the golf comparison doesn’t really work. As clubs have gotten better and driving distance has increased, the length of the courses has increased in direct proportion. This is why you see a lot of US Opens being won with scores like -5. It’s not like you can make 1000 pounds anything other than 1000 pounds in powerlifting.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Im a PL noooooob over here but I had a question (sorry if its been discussed already)
But have there been any talks of creating a sensor system to check depth? Like a small stick on sensor that goes on the top of your knee and right on your hip crease. When those two drop down and are parallel it would beep or take note? something like that?
We most definitely have the technology for this to happen… If they made re usable stick on sensors (like the size of a quarter) it would be so easy and there would be no argument. Whoever created that system and marketed it to a PL federation would be rich lol
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I think that particular scenario would not be cost effective, but I believe some computer software exists that does this; so all you would need is a video from the side, and it would be a lot cheaper than the sensors and not “invasive.” One judge would remain I guess, but you could drop the other two. This would be a good sport to introduce something like that, too, since you wouldn’t have a huge number of traditionalist fans arguing against the technology (like in the major spectator sports…think the “human element” of officiating).
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There’s something called the “Squat Precision” which is basically a level that straps to your leg and beeps. Works well. Dunno why people are against it.
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
Crazy idea:
appreciate all powerlifting: 100% RAWWWWW, Raw, Single Ply, and Multi Ply.
Support all competitors in their chosen version.
Quit bitching about the others (this goes for everyone).
???
PROFIT[/quote]
This is wisdom.
[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Im a PL noooooob over here but I had a question (sorry if its been discussed already)
But have there been any talks of creating a sensor system to check depth? Like a small stick on sensor that goes on the top of your knee and right on your hip crease. When those two drop down and are parallel it would beep or take note? something like that?
We most definitely have the technology for this to happen… If they made re usable stick on sensors (like the size of a quarter) it would be so easy and there would be no argument. Whoever created that system and marketed it to a PL federation would be rich lol
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I think that particular scenario would not be cost effective, but I believe some computer software exists that does this; so all you would need is a video from the side, and it would be a lot cheaper than the sensors and not “invasive.” One judge would remain I guess, but you could drop the other two. This would be a good sport to introduce something like that, too, since you wouldn’t have a huge number of traditionalist fans arguing against the technology (like in the major spectator sports…think the “human element” of officiating).
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There’s something called the “Squat Precision” which is basically a level that straps to your leg and beeps. Works well. Dunno why people are against it.
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Most likely because it would mean lots and lots of squats would no longer get passed. Other than that, I don’t see what the objection could be.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Most likely because it would mean lots and lots of squats would no longer get passed. Other than that, I don’t see what the objection could be.[/quote]
It represents a logistical nightmare for a meet director. It would have to be set up on every lifter, every attempt, and would likely add significant time to the squats. In a fed like IPF where you have a minute after bar’s loaded and the pace of the meets is often very fast, in particular at National and World level, it would require almost a prohibitive amount of additional resources (people and time) to pull off effectively.
Not to mention, I’m not sure it would solve anything because you would put yourself in a position where you were basically solely relying on that to determine depth and error could be encountered in how it was set-up, etc.
I think having 3 judges will always be the way to go.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Not a powerlifter so this is coming from an outside eye, but his depth looked pretty good to me. Maybe not exactly parallel, but pretty damn close. To think that he had an over 2 grand total with deads still on the table is insane. [/quote]
There is ‘not exactly parallel’ which I would place his squat depth in…
then there is ‘parallel’ which is still not legal depth…
then there is ‘breaking parallel’ which is what PL depth is supposed to be.
Regardless of what a video looked like, it’s a passed lift and an amazing feat. I can’t even comprehend how that much weight must feel.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Most likely because it would mean lots and lots of squats would no longer get passed. Other than that, I don’t see what the objection could be.[/quote]
It represents a logistical nightmare for a meet director. It would have to be set up on every lifter, every attempt, and would likely add significant time to the squats. In a fed like IPF where you have a minute after bar’s loaded and the pace of the meets is often very fast, in particular at National and World level, it would require almost a prohibitive amount of additional resources (people and time) to pull off effectively.
Not to mention, I’m not sure it would solve anything because you would put yourself in a position where you were basically solely relying on that to determine depth and error could be encountered in how it was set-up, etc.
I think having 3 judges will always be the way to go.
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I thought about that, and you certainly can’t rely on technology without any sort of backup, so there would still have to be side judges…so yea, wouldn’t be practical at all.
Thoughts on the computer software? I’d like to think a camera at every rack would be doable, and it wouldn’t be too time-consuming, in theory. But it’s been years since I did a full meet, so I can’t speak to that sort of thing at the moment.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Most likely because it would mean lots and lots of squats would no longer get passed. Other than that, I don’t see what the objection could be.[/quote]
It represents a logistical nightmare for a meet director. It would have to be set up on every lifter, every attempt, and would likely add significant time to the squats. In a fed like IPF where you have a minute after bar’s loaded and the pace of the meets is often very fast, in particular at National and World level, it would require almost a prohibitive amount of additional resources (people and time) to pull off effectively.
Not to mention, I’m not sure it would solve anything because you would put yourself in a position where you were basically solely relying on that to determine depth and error could be encountered in how it was set-up, etc.
I think having 3 judges will always be the way to go.
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I thought about that, and you certainly can’t rely on technology without any sort of backup, so there would still have to be side judges…so yea, wouldn’t be practical at all.
Thoughts on the computer software? I’d like to think a camera at every rack would be doable, and it wouldn’t be too time-consuming, in theory. But it’s been years since I did a full meet, so I can’t speak to that sort of thing at the moment.[/quote]
Who is fronting the cost of the camera? The lifters, the fed holding the meet, or the spectators? I’m simply not going to pay more dues for a camera just so folks on youtube can call my squats good.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
I thought about that, and you certainly can’t rely on technology without any sort of backup, so there would still have to be side judges…so yea, wouldn’t be practical at all.
Thoughts on the computer software? I’d like to think a camera at every rack would be doable, and it wouldn’t be too time-consuming, in theory. But it’s been years since I did a full meet, so I can’t speak to that sort of thing at the moment.[/quote]
Ya know man, I think that would be trying to take a systems based approach to a people based problem. I say this without regard for the current debate that is going on and choose to stay out of it.
Having said that, I watched the APF here in MN go from meets where I basically sat there and said WTF the whole time, to a state now where, having gotten the right people involved, is a very respectable organization and is doing a lot of good for the sport.
To me, the biggest issue is consistency. The problem is how high is too high, or how deep is too deep. IMO, a federation lives and dies by their overall ability to hold people to the same standards (keeping in mind calls will be blown and judges tend to either start every attempt with their finger on the red, or on the white. Some judges think the lifter needs to prove something, some give the benefit of the doubt to the lifter. I prefer the latter approach within the set standards of the fed.)
The reality of things is the only people truly affected by Donnie’s records are those whom aspire to beat them and this is an elite group of people, for sure.
IMO, the rest of us should just keep on keeping on and focus on ourselves. There is way too much emotional energy spent on issues like this one.
OK, done pontificating.
Bottom line, this isn’t an issue that has a solution in enhanced technology. It’s kind of like a Joe Rogan comedic bit where he talks about an indicator for stupid people that you lick and it gives you a result.
People would then spend all their energy searching for a reason to invalidate the test. The same thing would occur if we went to a technology based approach, IMO.