Donnie Thompson Totals 3,000!!!

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
Tom, T3h,

I totally see where both of you are coming from, and you both make good points, but here is some facts:

  1. in no other athletic sport, has attire one wears increased performance 20-35%

  2. there are too many feds. you never see these type of arguments/controversy/ “whinning” whatever you want to call it, with other strength sports. I follow OL, strongman, and throwing, this sort of thing never happens there, why? there is consistent standards set by legitimate governing bodies/federations

  3. only in the powerlifting game, can a fan be bashed like this for criticizing an athletes performance or organization. for example, say on a morning talk show covering pro football, if Peyton Manning had a bad game, or got a gift call, and a few people called him out for it, you never see a bunch of “bros” piling on him and saying things like “shut the fuck up, you cant read a defense as good as a pro quarterback can” or something like: “quit whining, you cant throw a football as far or as accurate as Peyton can”

see how ridiculous that attitude is when put into context?
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I honestly don’t find myself caring about your points. I don’t think there are too many feds, nor do I really care what other sports are doing, and I HAVE seen a bunch of bros piling on guys who talk shit about pro players. The term “armchair quarterbacks” springs immediately to mind.

It’s just powerlifting. It’s definitely not a mainstream sport. If you want to follow one of those, pick one. I do this because I like getting stronger. I don’t care if some guy in buttfuck Iowa is wearing a robocop suit and squatting 9000lbs in a fed called UPMYASSPF. Good on him, he’s doing what he loves.[/quote]

I tried to be nice and cede some points and you got all ballsy and went on the attack.

my mistake for trying to be civil on an internet forum. I guess some people see that as a sign of weakness and get all ugly.

is this better?:

I really don’t care what YOUR point is. PL is a fucking joke of a sport now days because of the gear and backyard/garage feds/meets. you are wrong, I am right, I am smart and your a dumbass.

NOW you have something to get all shitty about typing on your keyboard.

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[quote]jakerz96 wrote:
I don’t know why I am doing this, but…

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
I totally see where both of you are coming from, and you both make good points, but here is some facts:
[/quote]
Here we go…

[quote]

  1. in no other athletic sport, has attire one wears increased performance 20-35%[/quote]
    Usually attire is restricted in a lot of sports: certain things must be worn in football, many things are dis-allowed in Oly Lifting, Swimming, etc… and equipment is regulated in rowing (not clothes) at the olympic level. You could go on and on and yes some of these make a fair amount of difference, but that really isn’t the point. THE POINT IS THERE ARE DIFFERENT DIVISION FOR THIS IN POWERLIFTING! So, you don’t compare raw to single ply to multiply.

You can argue too many feds, but saying they aren’t legitimate is a bit over the top. Strongmen sometimes wear briefs and squat suits too you know.

Don’t get out much eh?

It doesn’t seem ridiculous.[/quote]

here I go:

guys today who are hitting monster numbers in multiply monofeds have the records. this is bs as I wish the best in the game all played on a level playing field, as a fan, this is something I would like to see.

I have(nor does anybody else for that matter) have any idea how to quantify Donnies 3000 total when compared to another fed with other gear restrictions, judging standards etc.

If you do not think some of the 23937849847339823 feds are not legitimate, then we will have to agree to disagree. I do not think that is over the top at all.

I dont get out much? just flew out into the mountains in a helicopter and saved somebodies life a few days ago. I get out plenty.

to me it is ridiculous…like I said, we can agree to disagree.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
Tom, T3h,

I totally see where both of you are coming from, and you both make good points, but here is some facts:

  1. in no other athletic sport, has attire one wears increased performance 20-35%

  2. there are too many feds. you never see these type of arguments/controversy/ “whinning” whatever you want to call it, with other strength sports. I follow OL, strongman, and throwing, this sort of thing never happens there, why? there is consistent standards set by legitimate governing bodies/federations

  3. only in the powerlifting game, can a fan be bashed like this for criticizing an athletes performance or organization. for example, say on a morning talk show covering pro football, if Peyton Manning had a bad game, or got a gift call, and a few people called him out for it, you never see a bunch of “bros” piling on him and saying things like “shut the fuck up, you cant read a defense as good as a pro quarterback can” or something like: “quit whining, you cant throw a football as far or as accurate as Peyton can”

see how ridiculous that attitude is when put into context?
[/quote]

You are so spot on, on every post you have put up so far. This is part of the reason why I stopped competing in Powerlifting 1n 1997. Records were actually exciting back then because they didn’t happen every 2 months when the new Leviathan model comes out. I think it is so odd that the guys who still compete seem to care the least about standards and consistency. Perhaps that is why they still compete.

I remember the race to an 800 lb bench between Harris and Clark. That was a big deal and it lasted for a long time, then they came out with the backless shirts and records are falling all the time now. Why has Mendelson’s Raw record stood for so long? Because no one has gotten STRONG enough to beat it yet. Powerlifting should be about strength not technology.

Part of the resaon I care about geared lifting claims is because people don’t specify when the powerlifting “records” are done with an enourmous amount of supportive gear to the general public. They just say That Joe Blow squatted 1400 lbs. That is like saying telling you guys that Billy Bob Just threw a shot put 290 feet but not specifying that he wore a spring loaded elbow brace. It does matter. You should care about the legitimacy of your sport!

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"Olympic lifting ? Nope? Do they even show it on TV during the Olympics. "

i would disagree, in Europe and Asia, stadiums are packed with thousands to watch OL meets.

in this country, yes, i agree, competitive ping pong would draw a bigger crowd than an OL or PL meet.

funny story:

does anybody here know who Mario Martinez is?

he won a silver medal in the Olympics for the USA the year the eastern block countries boycotted the games.

Nobody in the USA had any idea who he was, even back then when he won the medal.

he was interviewed and he was telling a story how when he competed in Europe, kids would come up to him randomly with posters with his picture on it and ask for his autograph. he did not even know there were posters of him out their at all! lol

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I REALLY didn’t want to get into this, but fuck it…

The problem is that how do you compare donnie’s 3000 total with the total’s of coan and other past powerlifters. The point of records is to prove that you’re better than anyone before you in your sport.
Donnie is the best out of anyone in double-ply, he proved that with the 3000 total.

But is he better than Coan?
Is he better than Don Reinhoudt?
Is he stronger than Paul Anderson?

The world will never know
and i’ll probably be up all night in an E-fight now lol

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[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
Tom, T3h,

I totally see where both of you are coming from, and you both make good points, but here is some facts:

  1. in no other athletic sport, has attire one wears increased performance 20-35%

  2. there are too many feds. you never see these type of arguments/controversy/ “whinning” whatever you want to call it, with other strength sports. I follow OL, strongman, and throwing, this sort of thing never happens there, why? there is consistent standards set by legitimate governing bodies/federations

  3. only in the powerlifting game, can a fan be bashed like this for criticizing an athletes performance or organization. for example, say on a morning talk show covering pro football, if Peyton Manning had a bad game, or got a gift call, and a few people called him out for it, you never see a bunch of “bros” piling on him and saying things like “shut the fuck up, you cant read a defense as good as a pro quarterback can” or something like: “quit whining, you cant throw a football as far or as accurate as Peyton can”

see how ridiculous that attitude is when put into context?
[/quote]

You are so spot on, on every post you have put up so far. This is part of the reason why I stopped competing in Powerlifting 1n 1997. Records were actually exciting back then because they didn’t happen every 2 months when the new Leviathan model comes out. I think it is so odd that the guys who still compete seem to care the least about standards and consistency. Perhaps that is why they still compete.

I remember the race to an 800 lb bench between Harris and Clark. That was a big deal and it lasted for a long time, then they came out with the backless shirts and records are falling all the time now. Why has Mendelson’s Raw record stood for so long? Because no one has gotten STRONG enough to beat it yet. Powerlifting should be about strength not technology.

Part of the resaon I care about geared lifting claims is because people don’t specify when the powerlifting “records” are done with an enourmous amount of supportive gear to the general public. They just say That Joe Blow squatted 1400 lbs. That is like saying telling you guys that Billy Bob Just threw a shot put 290 feet but not specifying that he wore a spring loaded elbow brace. It does matter. You should care about the legitimacy of your sport!

[/quote]

i agree with pretty much every thing you said, but as I have learned on boards like these that you have to approach this with kid gloves on as many people who support the geared feds take shit real personally.

but, as my earlier post showed, even if you try to be nice about it and have a civil discussion with an exchange of ideas, some people still get pretty mean.

the only reason this is even wan issue is how gradually the super supportive gear creeped into the sport over a period of a couple of decades.

imagine if John Kucs total of 2350(which I think might be the all time best raw total…) was overnight smashed by nearly 700lbs by a guy wearing a bunch of supportive equipment.

it would be a joke.

nobody would take it seriously.

but the gear gradually creeped in, and somehow these new totals have became legitimate.

lets say some dude from america (a country who has not won a medal in OL for what 30-40 years) show up at the upcoming London Olympics and beats Rezazadeh’s record 262kg cnj by 167lbs while wearing some sort of spring loaded Kevlar body suit.

it would be a fucking joke. nobody would take it seriously, and people would be laughing their asses off in the seats.

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[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
I REALLY didn’t want to get into this, but fuck it…

The problem is that how do you compare donnie’s 3000 total with the total’s of coan and other past powerlifters. The point of records is to prove that you’re better than anyone before you in your sport.
Donnie is the best out of anyone in double-ply, he proved that with the 3000 total.

But is he better than Coan?
Is he better than Don Reinhoudt?
Is he stronger than Paul Anderson?

The world will never know
and i’ll probably be up all night in an E-fight now lol[/quote]

If the sport didn’t turn into a clown show, it would be easy to know.

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I remember him. You are right about how other countries support it more, but wouldn’t soccer draw better than Olympic lifting ?

But in the USA we’re at the bottom of the list. There are other reasons than boring. Hard is one of them. Strain is another .

All the multiply Feds have their origination here. It’s like a club thing almost . So I just judge the lifts I see with my own internal screwed up algorithm . And I like seeing heavy things lifted.

I’d type more but I’m tired for now.

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uote]heavythrower wrote:
"

"Olympic lifting ? Nope? Do they even show it on TV during the Olympics. "

i would disagree, in Europe and Asia, stadiums are packed with thousands to watch OL meets.

in this country, yes, i agree, competitive ping pong would draw a bigger crowd than an OL or PL meet.

funny story:

does anybody here know who Mario Martinez is?

he won a silver medal in the Olympics for the USA the year the eastern block countries boycotted the games.

Nobody in the USA had any idea who he was, even back then when he won the medal.

he was interviewed and he was telling a story how when he competed in Europe, kids would come up to him randomly with posters with his picture on it and ask for his autograph. he did not even know there were posters of him out their at all! lol[/quote]

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[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
I REALLY didn’t want to get into this, but fuck it…

The problem is that how do you compare donnie’s 3000 total with the total’s of coan and other past powerlifters. The point of records is to prove that you’re better than anyone before you in your sport.
Donnie is the best out of anyone in double-ply, he proved that with the 3000 total.

But is he better than Coan?
Is he better than Don Reinhoudt?
Is he stronger than Paul Anderson?

The world will never know
and i’ll probably be up all night in an E-fight now lol[/quote]

lol, you are right…at this point i think the multply geared feds should not even be considered powerlifting anymore, call it something else, make up a new name for it because like it has been pointed out it is a totally different sport now.

instead, the geared feds are mainstream and the RAW meets are the little odd ball every now and then meets who get little attention.

i think it should be the other way around.

just IMO

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No was better than coan, except for bridges.
Kaz was better than reinhoudt . Kaz was better than Thompson.
Anderson did unofficial exhibition lifts so he doesn’t matter.

You see , that wasn’t hard.

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ote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
I REALLY didn’t want to get into this, but fuck it…

The problem is that how do you compare donnie’s 3000 total with the total’s of coan and other past powerlifters. The point of records is to prove that you’re better than anyone before you in your sport.
Donnie is the best out of anyone in double-ply, he proved that with the 3000 total.

But is he better than Coan?
Is he better than Don Reinhoudt?
Is he stronger than Paul Anderson?

The world will never know
and i’ll probably be up all night in an E-fight now lol[/quote]

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
I remember him. You are right about how other countries support it more, but wouldn’t soccer draw better than Olympic lifting ?

But in the USA we’re at the bottom of the list. There are other reasons than boring. Hard is one of them. Strain is another .

All the multiply Feds have their origination here. It’s like a club thing almost . So I just judge the lifts I see with my own internal screwed up algorithm . And I like seeing heavy things lifted.

I’d type more but I’m tired for now.

[q

uote]heavythrower wrote:
"

"Olympic lifting ? Nope? Do they even show it on TV during the Olympics. "

i would disagree, in Europe and Asia, stadiums are packed with thousands to watch OL meets.

in this country, yes, i agree, competitive ping pong would draw a bigger crowd than an OL or PL meet.

funny story:

does anybody here know who Mario Martinez is?

he won a silver medal in the Olympics for the USA the year the eastern block countries boycotted the games.

Nobody in the USA had any idea who he was, even back then when he won the medal.

he was interviewed and he was telling a story how when he competed in Europe, kids would come up to him randomly with posters with his picture on it and ask for his autograph. he did not even know there were posters of him out their at all! lol[/quote]
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k. good night Tom and take care.

BTW, scheduled for my neck surgery in october, cant put it off any longer, have no feeling in my right arm and hand most of the time and right side upper body strength is getting progressively weaker. wish me luck.

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Crazy idea:

appreciate all powerlifting: 100% RAWWWWW, Raw, Single Ply, and Multi Ply.

Support all competitors in their chosen version.

Quit bitching about the others (this goes for everyone).

???

PROFIT

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But how is Kaz better than Thompson if Donnie has the higher total?

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

BTW, scheduled for my neck surgery in october, cant put it off any longer, have no feeling in my right arm and hand most of the time and right side upper body strength is getting progressively weaker. wish me luck.

[/quote]

Will say a prayer for you bud, sorry to hear that.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
I REALLY didn’t want to get into this, but fuck it…

The problem is that how do you compare donnie’s 3000 total with the total’s of coan and other past powerlifters. The point of records is to prove that you’re better than anyone before you in your sport.
Donnie is the best out of anyone in double-ply, he proved that with the 3000 total.

But is he better than Coan?
Is he better than Don Reinhoudt?
Is he stronger than Paul Anderson?

The world will never know
and i’ll probably be up all night in an E-fight now lol[/quote]

lol, you are right…at this point i think the multply geared feds should not even be considered powerlifting anymore, call it something else, make up a new name for it because like it has been pointed out it is a totally different sport now.

instead, the geared feds are mainstream and the RAW meets are the little odd ball every now and then meets who get little attention.

i think it should be the other way around.

just IMO
[/quote]
It seems to be moving in that direction (raw becoming more mainstream).

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
Crazy idea:

appreciate all powerlifting: 100% RAWWWWW, Raw, Single Ply, and Multi Ply.

Support all competitors in their chosen version.

Quit bitching about the others (this goes for everyone).

???

PROFIT[/quote]

haha, point taken. you have a good attitude about this and I should try to be more like you in that respect.

I will still say respectfully, then, geared totals hold little interest to me, for my own personal reasons, I follow the deadlifts(cusz gear helps very little in that lift), and the RAW feds just because it is my preference.

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

BTW, scheduled for my neck surgery in october, cant put it off any longer, have no feeling in my right arm and hand most of the time and right side upper body strength is getting progressively weaker. wish me luck.

[/quote]

Will say a prayer for you bud, sorry to hear that.[/quote]

thanks man. fuck, my right arm and shoulder is starting to atrophy, today in the gym, i did db rows with my left arm with the 160’s, could only do the 70’s with my right arm.

cervical traction for the last month has helped with the pain, but the motor function loss is getting worse.

the scary part for me is being in a c-collar for 4 6 weeks and not being able to train for 3 months after surgery. FML, lol

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
I REALLY didn’t want to get into this, but fuck it…

The problem is that how do you compare donnie’s 3000 total with the total’s of coan and other past powerlifters. The point of records is to prove that you’re better than anyone before you in your sport.
Donnie is the best out of anyone in double-ply, he proved that with the 3000 total.

But is he better than Coan?
Is he better than Don Reinhoudt?
Is he stronger than Paul Anderson?

The world will never know
and i’ll probably be up all night in an E-fight now lol[/quote]

lol, you are right…at this point i think the multply geared feds should not even be considered powerlifting anymore, call it something else, make up a new name for it because like it has been pointed out it is a totally different sport now.

instead, the geared feds are mainstream and the RAW meets are the little odd ball every now and then meets who get little attention.

i think it should be the other way around.

just IMO
[/quote]
It seems to be moving in that direction (raw becoming more mainstream).[/quote]

i hope so…

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Previously I mentioned my fear of injury if there was an equipment malfunction during a lift.

Here’s another question- At what point does anyone think that the gear will surpass what the body can handle?? I’ve seen many times guys in multiply gear squatting these huges weights and before they even begin the lift they are shaking like crazy under all the stress. Throughout the lift it appears to be a very fine line between staying in the groove of the equipment and getting out of it and crashing and burning. Same with bench. As soon as the bar is lifted off, just an inch or so out of the groove and the weight can get dumped.

So, at what point do you think it will just be too much for the body to handle?? I’ve always competed raw and have little experience with gear other than competing along side geared lifters. It appears that gear for the squat and bench have made drastic leaps in a short period of time. I’m sure there will be gear that will allow for a 1500lb squat or a 1200lb bench but can the human body withstand it??

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
Previously I mentioned my fear of injury if there was an equipment malfunction during a lift.

Here’s another question- At what point does anyone think that the gear will surpass what the body can handle?? I’ve seen many times guys in multiply gear squatting these huges weights and before they even begin the lift they are shaking like crazy under all the stress. Throughout the lift it appears to be a very fine line between staying in the groove of the equipment and getting out of it and crashing and burning. Same with bench. As soon as the bar is lifted off, just an inch or so out of the groove and the weight can get dumped.

So, at what point do you think it will just be too much for the body to handle?? I’ve always competed raw and have little experience with gear other than competing along side geared lifters. It appears that gear for the squat and bench have made drastic leaps in a short period of time. I’m sure there will be gear that will allow for a 1500lb squat or a 1200lb bench but can the human body withstand it?? [/quote]

great post. my thoughts exactly, just said better…