^^^ Sorry, my mistake. I thought that all competitive sports should have credible, transparent and consistent judging standards.
I didn’t realise it was only necessary if they had lots of spectators.
Why do people on the internet post that they don’t give a shit, when them posting, in fact, indicates that they give a shit?
[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
^^^ Sorry, my mistake. I thought that all competitive sports should have credible, transparent and consistent judging standards.
I didn’t realise it was only necessary if they had lots of spectators.[/quote]
It does have credible, transparent and consistent judging. The only thing it seems to be missing is a headcam to placate the whinners.
We were having a nice conversation, and then you had to go and pull the internet sarcasm card. Really dude?
[quote]ajweins wrote:
Serious question to Rudy and the others whining about depth: Have you ever been to an SPF meet and seen the lifts in person? I don’t think you can honestly whine about depth until that happens. All the videos are always from the front and you cannot properly make a call from that angle. I have never been to one either, so that is why I am asking. I don’t hear very many people who are actually attending these meets whining about the judging. Its always random internet dudes.
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First let me say this is an incredibaly impressive feat of strength.
Second, while I make no judgements about the depth in question, I really want to know where the idea that you can’t judge depth from the front comes from? Every head ref I’ve seen will give a red light for depth.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
Why do people on the internet post that they don’t give a shit, when them posting, in fact, indicates that they give a shit?[/quote]
Lol, true. Now I need to go get another bowl of popcorn because this thread looks like it is going to live on for a while longer.
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]ajweins wrote:
Serious question to Rudy and the others whining about depth: Have you ever been to an SPF meet and seen the lifts in person? I don’t think you can honestly whine about depth until that happens. All the videos are always from the front and you cannot properly make a call from that angle. I have never been to one either, so that is why I am asking. I don’t hear very many people who are actually attending these meets whining about the judging. Its always random internet dudes.
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First let me say this is an incredibaly impressive feat of strength.
Second, while I make no judgements about the depth in question, I really want to know where the idea that you can’t judge depth from the front comes from? Every head ref I’ve seen will give a red light for depth.[/quote]
You get a different look from the front and video has to many questions depending on the angle of the videographer relative to the lifter.
I’ve stated multiple times I have watched lifts from the side and saw legal depth and the same lift appeared 4" high from a video shot from the front . I was at five consecutive Wpo finals and watched the lifts from the side and I’ve seen this multiple times.
IMO the distortion is due to multiply gear . And yes I was a national referee in the adfpa, which is the usapl now.
[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
^^^ Sorry, my mistake. I thought that all competitive sports should have credible, transparent and consistent judging standards.
I didn’t realise it was only necessary if they had lots of spectators.[/quote]
And baseball, football and basketball do? Holding? Traveling? The strike zone? Last time I checked it was knees to the letters not mid shin to waist .
And everyone forgot about traveling when Michael Jordan and so many others drive the lane. Try that in a girl’s cyo league.
Wrong calls are also made in sports where millions care, not just niche sports held in local high schools and armories .
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]ajweins wrote:
Serious question to Rudy and the others whining about depth: Have you ever been to an SPF meet and seen the lifts in person? I don’t think you can honestly whine about depth until that happens. All the videos are always from the front and you cannot properly make a call from that angle. I have never been to one either, so that is why I am asking. I don’t hear very many people who are actually attending these meets whining about the judging. Its always random internet dudes.
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First let me say this is an incredibaly impressive feat of strength.
Second, while I make no judgements about the depth in question, I really want to know where the idea that you can’t judge depth from the front comes from? Every head ref I’ve seen will give a red light for depth.[/quote]
You get a different look from the front and video has to many questions depending on the angle of the videographer relative to the lifter.
I’ve stated multiple times I have watched lifts from the side and saw legal depth and the same lift appeared 4" high from a video shot from the front . I was at five consecutive Wpo finals and watched the lifts from the side and I’ve seen this multiple times.
IMO the distortion is due to multiply gear . And yes I was a national referee in the adfpa, which is the usapl now.[/quote]
I’ve only been to watch one multi-ply meet and I missed the squats. If this is a multi-ply/wide stance kind of thing, then okay I buy that.
Tom, T3h,
I totally see where both of you are coming from, and you both make good points, but here is some facts:
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in no other athletic sport, has attire one wears increased performance 20-35%
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there are too many feds. you never see these type of arguments/controversy/ “whinning” whatever you want to call it, with other strength sports. I follow OL, strongman, and throwing, this sort of thing never happens there, why? there is consistent standards set by legitimate governing bodies/federations
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only in the powerlifting game, can a fan be bashed like this for criticizing an athletes performance or organization. for example, say on a morning talk show covering pro football, if Peyton Manning had a bad game, or got a gift call, and a few people called him out for it, you never see a bunch of “bros” piling on him and saying things like “shut the fuck up, you cant read a defense as good as a pro quarterback can” or something like: “quit whining, you cant throw a football as far or as accurate as Peyton can”
see how ridiculous that attitude is when put into context?
EVERYONE talking about cameras. There is a simple cheap way to record from the side even with all the spotters. Look up “Go Pro” cameras. you can by a spider tripod and put it on the mono lift and point that tiny camera where u need it. Brian Shwab made a video with it I think awhile back. It works!!! check it out
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
Tom, T3h,
I totally see where both of you are coming from, and you both make good points, but here is some facts:
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in no other athletic sport, has attire one wears increased performance 20-35%
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there are too many feds. you never see these type of arguments/controversy/ “whinning” whatever you want to call it, with other strength sports. I follow OL, strongman, and throwing, this sort of thing never happens there, why? there is consistent standards set by legitimate governing bodies/federations
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only in the powerlifting game, can a fan be bashed like this for criticizing an athletes performance or organization. for example, say on a morning talk show covering pro football, if Peyton Manning had a bad game, or got a gift call, and a few people called him out for it, you never see a bunch of “bros” piling on him and saying things like “shut the fuck up, you cant read a defense as good as a pro quarterback can” or something like: “quit whining, you cant throw a football as far or as accurate as Peyton can”
see how ridiculous that attitude is when put into context?
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I honestly don’t find myself caring about your points. I don’t think there are too many feds, nor do I really care what other sports are doing, and I HAVE seen a bunch of bros piling on guys who talk shit about pro players. The term “armchair quarterbacks” springs immediately to mind.
It’s just powerlifting. It’s definitely not a mainstream sport. If you want to follow one of those, pick one. I do this because I like getting stronger. I don’t care if some guy in buttfuck Iowa is wearing a robocop suit and squatting 9000lbs in a fed called UPMYASSPF. Good on him, he’s doing what he loves.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I don’t care if some guy in buttfuck Iowa is wearing a robocop suit and squatting 9000lbs in a fed called UPMYASSPF. Good on him, he’s doing what he loves.[/quote]
Buttfuck Iowa! Says the guy from North Dakota…
[quote]novaeer wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
Why do people on the internet post that they don’t give a shit, when them posting, in fact, indicates that they give a shit?[/quote]
Lol, true. Now I need to go get another bowl of popcorn because this thread looks like it is going to live on for a while longer.
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I’d say it is. It seems to me that the thickness of the material does it. Angelo Bernadelli, sp, hit a big squat about one inch deep from the side got example. I was looking at his hip joint kneeling with a straight on view from fifteen feet.
The darn thing looked 4-5" high from video from the front . I watched several then and had my friend tape them and it looked similar . Some squats of course were high from the side but it taught me to refrain from to harsh of judgment from a front view . There are some obviously high lifts that you can tell even on video. But they’re going to be pretty high,like maybe appearing 5+" high. But this is only my guesstimation .
I just look at both kinds if lifting as different but similar animals . Like formula one - NASCAR - Indy style racing .
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ote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]ajweins wrote:
Serious question to Rudy and the others whining about depth: Have you ever been to an SPF meet and seen the lifts in person? I don’t think you can honestly whine about depth until that happens. All the videos are always from the front and you cannot properly make a call from that angle. I have never been to one either, so that is why I am asking. I don’t hear very many people who are actually attending these meets whining about the judging. Its always random internet dudes.
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First let me say this is an incredibaly impressive feat of strength.
Second, while I make no judgements about the depth in question, I really want to know where the idea that you can’t judge depth from the front comes from? Every head ref I’ve seen will give a red light for depth.[/quote]
You get a different look from the front and video has to many questions depending on the angle of the videographer relative to the lifter.
I’ve stated multiple times I have watched lifts from the side and saw legal depth and the same lift appeared 4" high from a video shot from the front . I was at five consecutive Wpo finals and watched the lifts from the side and I’ve seen this multiple times.
IMO the distortion is due to multiply gear . And yes I was a national referee in the adfpa, which is the usapl now.[/quote]
I’ve only been to watch one multi-ply meet and I missed the squats. If this is a multi-ply/wide stance kind of thing, then okay I buy that.[/quote]
novaeer pass me some of that popcorn
you too dixie hand it over
I don’t know why I am doing this, but…
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
I totally see where both of you are coming from, and you both make good points, but here is some facts:
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Here we go…
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- in no other athletic sport, has attire one wears increased performance 20-35%[/quote]
Usually attire is restricted in a lot of sports: certain things must be worn in football, many things are dis-allowed in Oly Lifting, Swimming, etc… and equipment is regulated in rowing (not clothes) at the olympic level. You could go on and on and yes some of these make a fair amount of difference, but that really isn’t the point. THE POINT IS THERE ARE DIFFERENT DIVISION FOR THIS IN POWERLIFTING! So, you don’t compare raw to single ply to multiply.
You can argue too many feds, but saying they aren’t legitimate is a bit over the top. Strongmen sometimes wear briefs and squat suits too you know.
Don’t get out much eh?
It doesn’t seem ridiculous.
That’s because people actually care about those sports in one reason . No one cares about individual sports. Most people are go team and just don’t watch strength sports. Strongman, not outside of the wsm on espn and I doubt they’re drug free.
Olympic lifting ? Nope? Do they even show it on tv during the Olympics.
As for Internet trash talking it’s about a bazillion and a half more in team sports between fan bases in volume and intensity . There’s been more arguing about which qb PSU should start this year IMO than all these gear , high squats threads combined in the history of the interwebzz.
Now that’s my own made up hyperbolic fact thing. But consider this, 60-70 thousand people show for psu’s football spring game.
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]ajweins wrote:
Serious question to Rudy and the others whining about depth: Have you ever been to an SPF meet and seen the lifts in person? I don’t think you can honestly whine about depth until that happens. All the videos are always from the front and you cannot properly make a call from that angle. I have never been to one either, so that is why I am asking. I don’t hear very many people who are actually attending these meets whining about the judging. Its always random internet dudes.
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First let me say this is an incredibaly impressive feat of strength.
Second, while I make no judgements about the depth in question, I really want to know where the idea that you can’t judge depth from the front comes from? Every head ref I’ve seen will give a red light for depth.[/quote]
You get a different look from the front and video has to many questions depending on the angle of the videographer relative to the lifter.
I’ve stated multiple times I have watched lifts from the side and saw legal depth and the same lift appeared 4" high from a video shot from the front . I was at five consecutive Wpo finals and watched the lifts from the side and I’ve seen this multiple times.
IMO the distortion is due to multiply gear . And yes I was a national referee in the adfpa, which is the usapl now.[/quote]
I’ve only been to watch one multi-ply meet and I missed the squats. If this is a multi-ply/wide stance kind of thing, then okay I buy that.[/quote]
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
you too dixie hand it over[/quote]
wait…wrong gif…thread saved!!!
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
you too dixie hand it over[/quote]
wait…wrong gif…thread saved!!![/quote]
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