Donnie Thompson Totals 3,000!!!

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
the gear vs raw debate is tired and retarded at this point. but it is still legitimate.

here is an example…

recently, I was moving stuff around in my garage and found an old pair of single ply briefs and some pl knee wraps.

for shit and giggles, i decided to put them on for front squats that day.

I have not used gear in over 5 years.

with belt, wraps and briefs, i hit a 220kg front squat.

at the time, the most I could do with NO gear, was about 150kg.

so, how much can I front squat?

220(very good for my age and weight)

or 150(mediocre at best)???

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wish my single ply briefs gave me approx 140lbs

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Excellent points. You put it much better than I did.

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quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Rudy2401 wrote:
@ Dixie,

It was a joke, calm yourself tough guy. Its the internet, don’t take it so seriously…

Also,

I understand what the rules of the SPF are, I read the book. I posted it here… However, from a front view which really is not the clearest he looks about 2 inches high from PARALLEL. Now, Donnie is a big man so I could honestly just be misjudging the squat all together.

Like I said earlier, still an impressive feat never the less…[/quote]

2 things:

  1. Calling a squat from the front is like calling balls and strikes from the first base line. Not a chance it should ever happen. So, while I’ll readily agree that some high squats do get passed in the SPF, and I have an issue with some of the soft handouts, etc., I can’t talk depth on a squat from the front. Having seen a number of meet squats appearing on youtube in person, they were clearly parallel from my side angle, but appeared asininely high from the video. No, not a judge, just a lover of the sport. :slight_smile:

  2. Big guys are retardedly hard to judge due to the extra cushion they carry. This is why I am not a judge. And I don’t doubt that more high squats get passed at superheavy than at lower weight classes simply because of the difficulty in judging a guy with that much pudge. This would be like trying to call balls and strikes for a midget. No matter how good the judge, the difficulties are increased. Now for the others in this thread, I am NOT discounting Donnie’s lift and I’m not calling it high. This is a milestone that I wasn’t sure would be hit…and definitely not this soon. Plus I am looking forward to even more from the big man. However, if anything, this should be an argument for limiting the weight in classes as opposed to calling depth from the front in a youtube video.

Personally i don’t care that much. I couldn’t even support 1200 lbs on my back let alone move with it. [/quote]

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
the gear vs raw debate is tired and retarded at this point. but it is still legitimate.

here is an example…

recently, I was moving stuff around in my garage and found an old pair of single ply briefs and some pl knee wraps.

for shit and giggles, i decided to put them on for front squats that day.

I have not used gear in over 5 years.

with belt, wraps and briefs, i hit a 220kg front squat.

at the time, the most I could do with NO gear, was about 150kg.

so, how much can I front squat?

220(very good for my age and weight)

or 150(mediocre at best)???

[/quote]

wish my single ply briefs gave me approx 140lbs[/quote]

well, add the belt and wraps too, but I am not sure I am communicating my point well…

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
the gear vs raw debate is tired and retarded at this point. but it is still legitimate.

here is an example…

recently, I was moving stuff around in my garage and found an old pair of single ply briefs and some pl knee wraps.

for shit and giggles, i decided to put them on for front squats that day.

I have not used gear in over 5 years.

with belt, wraps and briefs, i hit a 220kg front squat.

at the time, the most I could do with NO gear, was about 150kg.

so, how much can I front squat?

220(very good for my age and weight)

or 150(mediocre at best)???

[/quote]

wish my single ply briefs gave me approx 140lbs[/quote]

well, add the belt and wraps too, but I am not sure I am communicating my point well…
[/quote]

haha I got your point, loud and clear, I am just jealous of what you got out of your gear.

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cool,

see what I mean…do I go around and brag about my 220kg front squat, or do I rrealize that i really only can fs a meager 150kg?

when i was competing in pl, there was only single ply suits and no shirts, and only 3 feds. usapl, adfpa and apf.

there was little to no controversy/debate on who the strongest guys were. whoever lifted the most was the man.

same thing as when i competed in OL and throwing, you never saw a bunch of arguing/qualifying lifts due to judging standards and gear.

i think all the feds and gear has hurt the sport. just my opinion.

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
I have no issue with gear. I just can’t help but cringe when i’m watching huge lifts like that. I’m always afraid a seam is going to break and then they are going to get crushed… especially on bench. I’ve watched and done more meets than i can remember and haven’t seen it happen yet. has anyone ever seen a disaster like that happen in person?[/quote]

training partner’s quads blew out last meet. his suit was still intact:) seen forearms snap on bench.

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[quote]PeteS wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
I have no issue with gear. I just can’t help but cringe when i’m watching huge lifts like that. I’m always afraid a seam is going to break and then they are going to get crushed… especially on bench. I’ve watched and done more meets than i can remember and haven’t seen it happen yet. has anyone ever seen a disaster like that happen in person?[/quote]

training partner’s quads blew out last meet. his suit was still intact:) seen forearms snap on bench. [/quote]

what meat said.

when training at Diablo Barbell back in 2004-2005, they held a meet there and it was the first monolift multiply meet I had ever been to.

I stopped competing in PL in the early 1992 and competed only in Highland Games until 2000.

I was shocked at what I saw.

I saw guys barely be able to unrack a squat (with a freaking monolift) shaking, looks like they are going to be crushed just standing there with the weight on their back, but they go down, and the suit does its job, and somehow they come back up.
it to me was scarey to watch.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]PeteS wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
I have no issue with gear. I just can’t help but cringe when i’m watching huge lifts like that. I’m always afraid a seam is going to break and then they are going to get crushed… especially on bench. I’ve watched and done more meets than i can remember and haven’t seen it happen yet. has anyone ever seen a disaster like that happen in person?[/quote]

training partner’s quads blew out last meet. his suit was still intact:) seen forearms snap on bench. [/quote]

what meat said.

when training at Diablo Barbell back in 2004-2005, they held a meet there and it was the first monolift multiply meet I had ever been to.

I stopped competing in PL in the early 1992 and competed only in Highland Games until 2000.

I was shocked at what I saw.

I saw guys barely be able to unrack a squat (with a freaking monolift) shaking, looks like they are going to be crushed just standing there with the weight on their back, but they go down, and the suit does its job, and somehow they come back up.
it to me was scarey to watch.[/quote]

yeah, I understand that, but somehow I am still compelled…

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
the gear vs raw debate is tired and retarded at this point. but it is still legitimate.

here is an example…

recently, I was moving stuff around in my garage and found an old pair of single ply briefs and some pl knee wraps.

for shit and giggles, i decided to put them on for front squats that day.

I have not used gear in over 5 years.

with belt, wraps and briefs, i hit a 220kg front squat.

at the time, the most I could do with NO gear, was about 150kg.

so, how much can I front squat?

220(very good for my age and weight)

or 150(mediocre at best)???

[/quote]

I don’t know of any group that competes in the front squat, so I don’t see the point here. You front squat as much as you want to put down in your training log in order to continue progressing. Tell people whatever you want to tell them, they’re just gym lifts.

If you wanted to talk about a squat in a meet, I would say whatever you hit, you hit. You can qualify “TOTALLY RAW” if you want for a lack of gear, but really, who cares what people say they lift?

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i think i see what you are trying to say…I still do not think I am making my point clear.

don reindhought squated 934 back in the 70’s, deep, and with NO wraps, and not even what would be considered a PL belt these days.

has anybody topped this?

it is hard to say.

the top guys dont compete totally raw, so it is just hard to quantify.

I am a fan of the SPORT of powerlifting…I just cannot wrap my head around the insane numbers being put up these days, cuz of different judging standards and gear.

I would just like to be able to see how the sport is progressing, but it is difficult to do that when there are so many qualifiers and variables you have to factor in when dealing with the alphabet soup multiply monolift feds.

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Ignoring the gear versus raw debate, what I can’t understand is why the SPF continues to take videos of record breaking squats only from the front!

The way I see it there is just two criteria that need to be fulfilled in the squat, that the weight on the bar is right and that the lifter goes from a straight legged position to the required depth (according to that fed) and back up again. Seems ridiculous that they can’t even manage to catch BOTH on a video.

Couldn’t they just take them from the side so people could see for themselves? Or do they not want people to see?

Or do they just like all the controversy? as in there’s no such thing as bad publicity.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
i think i see what you are trying to say…I still do not think I am making my point clear.

don reindhought squated 934 back in the 70’s, deep, and with NO wraps, and not even what would be considered a PL belt these days.

has anybody topped this?

it is hard to say.

the top guys dont compete totally raw, so it is just hard to quantify.

I am a fan of the SPORT of powerlifting…I just cannot wrap my head around the insane numbers being put up these days, cuz of different judging standards and gear.

I would just like to be able to see how the sport is progressing, but it is difficult to do that when there are so many qualifiers and variables you have to factor in when dealing with the alphabet soup multiply monolift feds.

[/quote]

Why not just pick the fed with the rules that you like the most and follow that one?

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
cool,

see what I mean…do I go around and brag about my 220kg front squat, or do I rrealize that i really only can fs a meager 150kg?

when i was competing in pl, there was only single ply suits and no shirts, and only 3 feds. usapl, adfpa and apf.

there was little to no controversy/debate on who the strongest guys were. whoever lifted the most was the man.

same thing as when i competed in OL and throwing, you never saw a bunch of arguing/qualifying lifts due to judging standards and gear.

i think all the feds and gear has hurt the sport. just my opinion. [/quote]

Here is what I do: when people ask, I say “I compete in single ply powerlifting, and my best competition lifts are 700 squat, 390 bench, and 625 deadlift. Single ply means that the gear I wear has as single layer sewed in to provide support.”

If pressed, I will give my best gym lifts, raw lifts, etc.

Geared powerlifting is a personal preference. The sport of powerlifting is not something the general public follows, and it never will be.

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[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
Ignoring the gear versus raw debate, what I can’t understand is why the SPF continues to take videos of record breaking squats only from the front!

The way I see it there is just two criteria that need to be fulfilled in the squat, that the weight on the bar is right and that the lifter goes from a straight legged position to the required depth (according to that fed) and back up again. Seems ridiculous that they can’t even manage to catch BOTH on a video.

Couldn’t they just take them from the side so people could see for themselves? Or do they not want people to see?

Or do they just like all the controversy? as in there’s no such thing as bad publicity.[/quote]

There was already a post in this thread about how difficult it is for even a JUDGE to get a good angle from the side on a SHW squat due to the number of spotters that will be required to handle the weight, and how trying to film from this angle would be impossible.

I more just wonder why folks on the net think they make better powerlifting judges than actual judges. Especially based on youtube vids from the front.

If it got whites, it got whites.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
Ignoring the gear versus raw debate, what I can’t understand is why the SPF continues to take videos of record breaking squats only from the front!

The way I see it there is just two criteria that need to be fulfilled in the squat, that the weight on the bar is right and that the lifter goes from a straight legged position to the required depth (according to that fed) and back up again. Seems ridiculous that they can’t even manage to catch BOTH on a video.

Couldn’t they just take them from the side so people could see for themselves? Or do they not want people to see?

Or do they just like all the controversy? as in there’s no such thing as bad publicity.[/quote]

There was already a post in this thread about how difficult it is for even a JUDGE to get a good angle from the side on a SHW squat due to the number of spotters that will be required to handle the weight, and how trying to film from this angle would be impossible.

I more just wonder why folks on the net think they make better powerlifting judges than actual judges. Especially based on youtube vids from the front.

If it got whites, it got whites.[/quote]

Come on man this is 2011. We’re not talking about a film camera from the 1950’s the size of refridgerator. We can put cameras in pens now. The judge could wear a head cam set at his line of sight so we could see exactly what he sees. If they really wanted to do it, it could be done quite easily and cheaply. They do it in formula 1, bike racing, tour de france etc

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Cameras on the plates go we can get a close up of the lifter!

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[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
Ignoring the gear versus raw debate, what I can’t understand is why the SPF continues to take videos of record breaking squats only from the front!

The way I see it there is just two criteria that need to be fulfilled in the squat, that the weight on the bar is right and that the lifter goes from a straight legged position to the required depth (according to that fed) and back up again. Seems ridiculous that they can’t even manage to catch BOTH on a video.

Couldn’t they just take them from the side so people could see for themselves? Or do they not want people to see?

Or do they just like all the controversy? as in there’s no such thing as bad publicity.[/quote]

There was already a post in this thread about how difficult it is for even a JUDGE to get a good angle from the side on a SHW squat due to the number of spotters that will be required to handle the weight, and how trying to film from this angle would be impossible.

I more just wonder why folks on the net think they make better powerlifting judges than actual judges. Especially based on youtube vids from the front.

If it got whites, it got whites.[/quote]

Come on man this is 2011. We’re not talking about a film camera from the 1950’s the size of refridgerator. We can put cameras in pens now. The judge could wear a head cam set at his line of sight so we could see exactly what he sees. If they really wanted to do it, it could be done quite easily and cheaply. They do it in formula 1, bike racing, tour de france etc[/quote]

So now, along with ensuring that the lift is good, the judge becomes a cameraman?

Why do you think you need to be the one that judges the lift? I mean, if you feel this strongly about it, become a certified judge for the SPF and go call for their meets. You will get the best seat in the house!

I really just don’t see the big deal.

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[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
Ignoring the gear versus raw debate, what I can’t understand is why the SPF continues to take videos of record breaking squats only from the front!

The way I see it there is just two criteria that need to be fulfilled in the squat, that the weight on the bar is right and that the lifter goes from a straight legged position to the required depth (according to that fed) and back up again. Seems ridiculous that they can’t even manage to catch BOTH on a video.

Couldn’t they just take them from the side so people could see for themselves? Or do they not want people to see?

Or do they just like all the controversy? as in there’s no such thing as bad publicity.[/quote]

It’s a bad idea due to costs . This isn’t the super bowl. Lifters are already paying 50$-125$ for a meet fee, plus travel costs , federation fees.

All to make some guy on the Internet happy ? Don’t think so.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
Ignoring the gear versus raw debate, what I can’t understand is why the SPF continues to take videos of record breaking squats only from the front!

The way I see it there is just two criteria that need to be fulfilled in the squat, that the weight on the bar is right and that the lifter goes from a straight legged position to the required depth (according to that fed) and back up again. Seems ridiculous that they can’t even manage to catch BOTH on a video.

Couldn’t they just take them from the side so people could see for themselves? Or do they not want people to see?

Or do they just like all the controversy? as in there’s no such thing as bad publicity.[/quote]

There was already a post in this thread about how difficult it is for even a JUDGE to get a good angle from the side on a SHW squat due to the number of spotters that will be required to handle the weight, and how trying to film from this angle would be impossible.

I more just wonder why folks on the net think they make better powerlifting judges than actual judges. Especially based on youtube vids from the front.

If it got whites, it got whites.[/quote]

Come on man this is 2011. We’re not talking about a film camera from the 1950’s the size of refridgerator. We can put cameras in pens now. The judge could wear a head cam set at his line of sight so we could see exactly what he sees. If they really wanted to do it, it could be done quite easily and cheaply. They do it in formula 1, bike racing, tour de france etc[/quote]

So now, along with ensuring that the lift is good, the judge becomes a cameraman?

Why do you think you need to be the one that judges the lift? I mean, if you feel this strongly about it, become a certified judge for the SPF and go call for their meets. You will get the best seat in the house!

I really just don’t see the big deal.[/quote]

At no point did I query the validity of the lift. Frankly I don’t give a shit either way.

I was just suggesting ways that these arguements could be settled by showing on a screen exactly what the judge sees. Then there would be no doubt.

That way we could avoid the whole “it was 2 inches above parallel” versus “if the judge passed it, it must have been good” debacle and the inevitable descent into a geared v raw debate EVERY SINGLE time a squat video is posted.

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My edit apparently didn’t go through, but basically, what is the point of the camera? Just to settle internet arguments? You bring up forumla 1 and tour de france, but those are spectator sports with great sponsers, so it makes sense to have a head cam. Where is the money going to come from in powerlifting, your entry fee? And all so that kids on the net will call a lift legit? It’s not even a televised sport.

I mean, I think the easiest way to avoid the geared versus raw debate is to not take place in it, which is why I keep posting “what does it matter”