[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
She’s probably gonna kick your ass for getting uppity.[/quote]
Only because in this world of gender equality, men can’t hit back. She’s got nothing though.
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Blue balls is preferable to emasculation.
“Modern” women like the one described seek complete control over their mates to avoid being hurt. If they don’t give anything of themselves, they have nothing invested and nothing to lose. It’s a defense mechanism. Some men do the same thing, but they’re just called assholes.[/quote]
In my defense I only fucked her. Or she fucked herself with me I guess.
I think dating her would be emasculating, and to that end I mentioned knowing I could never actually be with her.
The situation I found myself in was either fuck her, and she is hot, but she calls the shots or go home and jack off. I think common sense says get your dick wet. While her “leadership” in the sack was irritating, sex for me isn’t a power trip. Sure I like to be in charge but if I can get in a vagina I’ll be ok.[/quote]
She might be used to someone a little more dominating then you, or really in search of a rebel. Someone who just does what they want to do. She probably feels the same way about you that you feel about her
[/quote]Maybe.
I guess next time I’ll just break her jaw and fuck her with an ice pick.
[/quote]
That’s how a non-dominant person would react, like one of those mass shooters who got bullied. If you really wanted to dominate you would just come in the house grab her head and stick your dick in a mouth everytime she talks until she gets the message. It’s not rape because you already smashed, and you just don’t give her time to say no before you do it again. Other options get her and a friend drunk break off the friend and make her watch while she’s tipsy. She’ll remember the next day, and won’t act so bold anymore. Of course doing all this will f with her head and you will eventually leave her but why not get some good sex while your at it.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Blue balls is preferable to emasculation.
“Modern” women like the one described seek complete control over their mates to avoid being hurt. If they don’t give anything of themselves, they have nothing invested and nothing to lose. It’s a defense mechanism. Some men do the same thing, but they’re just called assholes.[/quote]
In my defense I only fucked her. Or she fucked herself with me I guess.
I think dating her would be emasculating, and to that end I mentioned knowing I could never actually be with her.
The situation I found myself in was either fuck her, and she is hot, but she calls the shots or go home and jack off. I think common sense says get your dick wet. While her “leadership” in the sack was irritating, sex for me isn’t a power trip. Sure I like to be in charge but if I can get in a vagina I’ll be ok.[/quote]
She might be used to someone a little more dominating then you, or really in search of a rebel. Someone who just does what they want to do. She probably feels the same way about you that you feel about her
[/quote]Maybe.
I guess next time I’ll just break her jaw and fuck her with an ice pick.
[/quote]
That’s how a non-dominant person would react, like one of those mass shooters who got bullied. If you really wanted to dominate you would just come in the house grab her head and stick your dick in a mouth everytime she talks until she gets the message. It’s not rape because you already smashed, and you just don’t give her time to say no before you do it again. Other options get her and a friend drunk break off the friend and make her watch while she’s tipsy. She’ll remember the next day, and won’t act so bold anymore. Of course doing all this will f with her head and you will eventually leave her but why not get some good sex while your at it. [/quote]
I was going to mention sarcasm until I read in to yours. Very nice.
Well I called her on the phone today (she is surprisingly conversational) to ask why she is the way she is.
It went ok until she said “fuck you asshole” and hung up.
So basically for anyone interested, I asked why she believes women should be dominant partners initially and then why so absolutely controlling at the end, which is when she got upset.
She feels that women are smarter, harder working, more organized and blah blah and deserve to be in charge. She couldn’t really answer why it took men deciding to concede societal power and legal legislation to insure female success for women to carve out a relatively small niche in business and government though, instead of naturally on their own accord. This agitated her but she said “well, it is just how I feel”.
My next question was “what about sexually?” To which she replied women are in total control of sexual situations as men become drooling animals when horny and women can simply say no, which gives the power to women. We were just on the phone so it wasn’t threatening for me to ask, but I wanted to know what she thought about the fact that if I wanted to impose my will on her and decided to use her any way I saw fit regardless of her consent she absolutely could not stop me even if she wanted to. She said,“um, are you talking about rape!?” I said “yes”. At this point she told me rape was morally wrong, I could go to jail and other obvious shit. I told her I knew that but how could she really say she has any power over me if I decide not to let her? She wasn’t sure but gave me some irrelevant bullshit to think about.
Next I asked her, “Hypothetically, even if you did have any power over a mate, why do you feel the need to control his every thought and move?” She said it is because dominant members of society should arrange those below them to be subservient in every way, and that being so controlling conditions the mind for that. I said well clearly you don’t actually have such power, you couldn’t physically contain a 14 year old boy. I know your topical reasoning, but I want to know the real reason you feel the need to be so controlling, what is it a few layers under that makes you this way? And, if I can prove my superior physicality over you, does that make you my inferior bitch to use as I see fit?
She said “fuck you asshole” and hung up. I guess I’ll never know.
True story.
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
Well I called her on the phone today (she is surprisingly conversational) to ask why she is the way she is.
It went ok until she said “fuck you asshole” and hung up.[/quote]
For whatever reason, this brought to mind Tyler Durden and Marla Sanger. Sounds like a budding relationship to me.
I mean, no offense, CC, but she DID dominate you, so she DOES in fact have that capability.
Beyond that, all I have to say is that I hate black and white thinkers.
Thinking more about it, I think you should call back and ask her out, but on more equal terms. See what she says. Because I’m curious.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I mean, no offense, CC, but she DID dominate you, so she DOES in fact have that capability.
Beyond that, all I have to say is that I hate black and white thinkers. [/quote]
I disagree. I allowed her set the pace so I could get laid. Perhaps domination will need to be defined? Had I wanted to jump the shark and take her at any moment, I certainly could have. I wouldn’t call willing participation in her imaginary world domination, especially if it was ultimately a manipulative means to a masturbatory end.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Thinking more about it, I think you should call back and ask her out, but on more equal terms. See what she says. Because I’m curious.
[/quote]
Haha, ok.
The terms will be
- I drive. Typical gender role but I’m in control.
- I pick the date activity
- At dinner, we select our own menu items and take separate bills.
I should note we have never been on an official date so I haven’t fully experienced her “dominant” aspects, only her ability to say “no” and rely on general good will and the strength of a legal system to back her up in the bedroom.
If we make it to bed she will suck me hard and then turn around and take it from behind while I pull her hair. Right before she cums I will make her bark like a dog if she wants to finish.
I know this isn’t really equal per say, but I am curious to see how advice from previous posters with alleged experience will play out.
I will, of course, manipulate the situation as a the night progresses, in a “smelly” manner.
I have a feeling what’s going to happen, if she even answers or agrees, is:
- I will not let her order for me and she will say some stupid shit I disagree with.
- When the check comes I will ask the server to split it and she will squawk
- She will say, from a submissive position, “please just take me home” after dinner. I will probably comply but might suggest she call a cab, we will have to see.
That will be the end of it. The thing is, she can’t really dominate most men, only choose to be with men who willingly allow her to make their decisions, et cetera. And while I’m sure there are probably scary numbers of fetishists, it is all a silly game when you get down to compatibility nuts and bolts.
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
Submitting to anothers ideology is not “dominant”.[/quote]
That’s what I’m pointing out, you just submit to the contemporary cultures attitude and ideology without even thinking to see if it is the truth. Or, at least it seems this is the case since all you have done attack me because I merely disagreed with actions and beliefs.
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
Well I called her on the phone today (she is surprisingly conversational) to ask why she is the way she is.
It went ok until she said “fuck you asshole” and hung up.
So basically for anyone interested, I asked why she believes women should be dominant partners initially and then why so absolutely controlling at the end, which is when she got upset.
She feels that women are smarter, harder working, more organized and blah blah and deserve to be in charge. She couldn’t really answer why it took men deciding to concede societal power and legal legislation to insure female success for women to carve out a relatively small niche in business and government though, instead of naturally on their own accord. This agitated her but she said “well, it is just how I feel”.
My next question was “what about sexually?” To which she replied women are in total control of sexual situations as men become drooling animals when horny and women can simply say no, which gives the power to women. We were just on the phone so it wasn’t threatening for me to ask, but I wanted to know what she thought about the fact that if I wanted to impose my will on her and decided to use her any way I saw fit regardless of her consent she absolutely could not stop me even if she wanted to. She said,“um, are you talking about rape!?” I said “yes”. At this point she told me rape was morally wrong, I could go to jail and other obvious shit. I told her I knew that but how could she really say she has any power over me if I decide not to let her? She wasn’t sure but gave me some irrelevant bullshit to think about.
Next I asked her, “Hypothetically, even if you did have any power over a mate, why do you feel the need to control his every thought and move?” She said it is because dominant members of society should arrange those below them to be subservient in every way, and that being so controlling conditions the mind for that. I said well clearly you don’t actually have such power, you couldn’t physically contain a 14 year old boy. I know your topical reasoning, but I want to know the real reason you feel the need to be so controlling, what is it a few layers under that makes you this way? And, if I can prove my superior physicality over you, does that make you my inferior bitch to use as I see fit?
She said “fuck you asshole” and hung up. I guess I’ll never know.
True story.[/quote]
Domineering women like this seem to fall into two camps, generally. Either they are genuinely dominant, confident narcissists or very insecure. It sounds like she showed signs of agitation and unease throughout your conversation (as opposed to simply dismissing your points casually), indicating she is probably the latter type. If I were to take a wild stab in the dark, I would say that she probably has a negative perception of men based on her experiences in life. As she is insecure, instead of realizing she had a shit run of luck, she’s doing some mental gymnastics and creating this belief system to justify her experiences.
Over time, she will react like many forum users do: they accept what fits their beliefs, but discard all evidence to the contrary. So she set herself up to continue this negative schema, and is now so set in her ways that she has become this whackjob (very technical psychological term there) who cannot accept any criticism of her rigid belief system.
On the positive side, insecure women are generally the easiest to control if you’re good at that and like that sort of thing.
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
I have a feeling what’s going to happen, if she even answers or agrees, is:
- I will not let her order for me and she will say some stupid shit I disagree with.
- When the check comes I will ask the server to split it and she will squawk
- She will say, from a submissive position, “please just take me home” after dinner. I will probably comply but might suggest she call a cab, we will have to see.
That will be the end of it. The thing is, she can’t really dominate most men, only choose to be with men who willingly allow her to make their decisions, et cetera. And while I’m sure there are probably scary numbers of fetishists, it is all a silly game when you get down to compatibility nuts and bolts.[/quote]
Or, you could seek to show her a different, better, side of men. Offer to take her out for enchiladas and a beer, run the show respectfully. Neither allow yourself to be dominated nor attempt to do so to her. See what happens.
Because I’m curious. 
P.S. When one “allows” oneself to be dominated, one is still, by any definition that doesn’t account only for hostage-taking, dominated. All dominants exploit weaknesses in their submissives. In your case, it was the desire to get laid.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
I have a feeling what’s going to happen, if she even answers or agrees, is:
- I will not let her order for me and she will say some stupid shit I disagree with.
- When the check comes I will ask the server to split it and she will squawk
- She will say, from a submissive position, “please just take me home” after dinner. I will probably comply but might suggest she call a cab, we will have to see.
That will be the end of it. The thing is, she can’t really dominate most men, only choose to be with men who willingly allow her to make their decisions, et cetera. And while I’m sure there are probably scary numbers of fetishists, it is all a silly game when you get down to compatibility nuts and bolts.[/quote]
Or, you could seek to show her a different, better, side of men. Offer to take her out for enchiladas and a beer, run the show respectfully. Neither allow yourself to be dominated nor attempt to do so to her. See what happens.
Because I’m curious.
P.S. When one “allows” oneself to be dominated, one is still, by any definition that doesn’t account only for hostage-taking, dominated. All dominants exploit weaknesses in their submissives. In your case, it was the desire to get laid. [/quote]
I’m going to call her, maybe this weekend, and if she agrees I will take her out. And I will be civil, believe it or not I can be charming if not charasmatic, even if I’ve learned to use it disingenuously when I want to. I will, however, keep it on the “up and up” and see what happens.
The problem is, she evidently demands to make decisions, including food choices, for her “dates” and mates. I do not believe allowing her to do so would be either a more level playing field or the better side of men, which will cause a conflict of interest. And I doubt that once she starts losing control she will be interested in continuing. The date will be over before it starts.
Depending on how strongly she reacts, I may drop her off, making sure she understands she didn’t manipulate my truck through me, but I chose to grant her a ride. I may tell her to call friends or a cab, and if she needs money, she may submit her request to me.
Of course in natural conversation it will be more free flowing but she will get the point.
If she caves from the beginning, I probably will fuck her again and bounce as she obviously has issues I have no interest in unravelling.
And as far as domination goes, I got to pop so no, she didn’t. I got what I wanted from her body, even if I had to act like it was all her scene. Had she used her sexuality to get something out of me, time, money, handy help around her condo then sure. Instead we had sex and she set the pace.
[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
Well I called her on the phone today (she is surprisingly conversational) to ask why she is the way she is.
It went ok until she said “fuck you asshole” and hung up.
So basically for anyone interested, I asked why she believes women should be dominant partners initially and then why so absolutely controlling at the end, which is when she got upset.
She feels that women are smarter, harder working, more organized and blah blah and deserve to be in charge. She couldn’t really answer why it took men deciding to concede societal power and legal legislation to insure female success for women to carve out a relatively small niche in business and government though, instead of naturally on their own accord. This agitated her but she said “well, it is just how I feel”.
My next question was “what about sexually?” To which she replied women are in total control of sexual situations as men become drooling animals when horny and women can simply say no, which gives the power to women. We were just on the phone so it wasn’t threatening for me to ask, but I wanted to know what she thought about the fact that if I wanted to impose my will on her and decided to use her any way I saw fit regardless of her consent she absolutely could not stop me even if she wanted to. She said,“um, are you talking about rape!?” I said “yes”. At this point she told me rape was morally wrong, I could go to jail and other obvious shit. I told her I knew that but how could she really say she has any power over me if I decide not to let her? She wasn’t sure but gave me some irrelevant bullshit to think about.
Next I asked her, “Hypothetically, even if you did have any power over a mate, why do you feel the need to control his every thought and move?” She said it is because dominant members of society should arrange those below them to be subservient in every way, and that being so controlling conditions the mind for that. I said well clearly you don’t actually have such power, you couldn’t physically contain a 14 year old boy. I know your topical reasoning, but I want to know the real reason you feel the need to be so controlling, what is it a few layers under that makes you this way? And, if I can prove my superior physicality over you, does that make you my inferior bitch to use as I see fit?
She said “fuck you asshole” and hung up. I guess I’ll never know.
True story.[/quote]
Domineering women like this seem to fall into two camps, generally. Either they are genuinely dominant, confident narcissists or very insecure. It sounds like she showed signs of agitation and unease throughout your conversation (as opposed to simply dismissing your points casually), indicating she is probably the latter type. If I were to take a wild stab in the dark, I would say that she probably has a negative perception of men based on her experiences in life. As she is insecure, instead of realizing she had a shit run of luck, she’s doing some mental gymnastics and creating this belief system to justify her experiences.
Over time, she will react like many forum users do: they accept what fits their beliefs, but discard all evidence to the contrary. So she set herself up to continue this negative schema, and is now so set in her ways that she has become this whackjob (very technical psychological term there) who cannot accept any criticism of her rigid belief system.
On the positive side, insecure women are generally the easiest to control if you’re good at that and like that sort of thing.[/quote]
She definitely has issues. I do think she lost control in some way, some time in her life. I’m not in to being controlling, or relationships really.
If I choose to be in one however, she will be an independent, centered lady who can compromise respectfully and has a voracious sexual appetite.
First you try to play this off like she didn’t dominate you and you were just going along for the pussy, now you’re still calling her and trying to get her to go out with you?
Dude, just admit you’re into it and move on.
Nikola Tesla once said women will eventually run the world.
It’s only a matter of time. I predict it will start with Hilary Clinton being elected President in 2016 or 2020 and then gain momentum after that.
OP, let me ask you this. How do you feel when you imagine her fucking other guys? Jealous? Are you turned on? Or just don’t care?
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Nikola Tesla once said women will eventually run the world.
It’s only a matter of time. I predict it will start with Hilary Clinton being elected President in 2016 or 2020 and then gain momentum after that.[/quote]
Women have to do something useful first. I can only think of a handful of women who have contributed anything to science and there are even less who have really made a mark in business.
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Nikola Tesla once said women will eventually run the world.
It’s only a matter of time. I predict it will start with Hilary Clinton being elected President in 2016 or 2020 and then gain momentum after that.[/quote]
Women have to do something useful first. I can only think of a handful of women who have contributed anything to science and there are even less who have really made a mark in business. [/quote]
And it begins.
It was only a matter of time in a thread of this topic, no?