Domestic Violence Against Men

[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
Chivalry is not dead, don’t hit women. If you’ve gotten yourself into a situation where a woman is hitting you, you’ve clearly not been handling the relationship or thinking very well. Walk away, dump the crazy chick, figure out how you let yourself go down such a fucked path.
Don’t repeat.[/quote]

Chivalry is the code of fighting for and protecting the weak, defenseless, and incapable. While the idea isn’t dead, you applying that code specifically to women says a lot about you.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
Chivalry is not dead, don’t hit women. If you’ve gotten yourself into a situation where a woman is hitting you, you’ve clearly not been handling the relationship or thinking very well. Walk away, dump the crazy chick, figure out how you let yourself go down such a fucked path.
Don’t repeat.[/quote]

Chivalry is the code of fighting for and protecting the weak, defenseless, and incapable. While the idea isn’t dead, you applying that code specifically to women says a lot about you.[/quote]

Agreed, but to be fair to SM, his mentality is ubiquitous.

Holding women to a lower standard is tantamount to treating them like children. If you truly respect women you will hold them to the exact same standards as you would a man.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
Chivalry is not dead, don’t hit women. If you’ve gotten yourself into a situation where a woman is hitting you, you’ve clearly not been handling the relationship or thinking very well. Walk away, dump the crazy chick, figure out how you let yourself go down such a fucked path.
Don’t repeat.[/quote]

Chivalry is the code of fighting for and protecting the weak, defenseless, and incapable. While the idea isn’t dead, you applying that code specifically to women says a lot about you.[/quote]
I would love to hear your take on what it says about me. Please enlighten.
I respect women to the highest degree. I don’t hold them to the same standards as men. Women can be tough, smart, capable, ect, all that shit, but women are different. It would take me a long time to explain why, but quickly:
They have different chemistry
They think differently
The feel differently about things than men
They can grow life inside of them
Just a few…
I’m amazed by women, but just like in jobs, they are better than men (often) in some areas, men are better than women in some areas. Fuck this equality shit. It’s just different. And that’s ok. Respect the difference.
But very different.

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[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
I respect women to the highest degree. I don’t hold them to the same standards as men. Women can be tough, smart, capable, ect, all that shit, but women are different. It would take me a long time to explain why, but quickly:
They have different chemistry
They think differently
The feel differently about things than men
They can grow life inside of them
Just a few…
I’m amazed by women, but just like in jobs, they are better than men (often) in some areas, men are better than women in some areas. Fuck this equality shit. It’s just different. And that’s ok. Respect the difference.
But very different.
[/quote]

I agree with this mostly. I don’t respect anyone by default. Respect, like trust, has to be earned. Second, I do hold women to a very similar standard as men. Sure there are many differences between the sexes, especially physically, yet we both mature into adults, and as adults we all have to take responsibility for ourselves, and should be held accountable for our actions.

Of course some people are mentally and emotionally deformed by shitty parenting and our degenerate “culture” so much so that they never mature into adulthood but live their whole lives as spoiled children.

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
I’ve yet to see a chick trying to fight a guy that looks like he can actually handle himself. It’s always Joe Average that looks like he just left a coffee shop, where he was working on his “screenplay”. Or it’s some dude that can’t even bring himself to hold his head up and look the bitch in the eye, much less raise a hand to protect himself.

People can sense weakness, and they will exploit it if they want to. Don’t be weak and you won’t be the victim.[/quote]

This is pretty much the equivalent to blaming a female rape victim for wearing skimpy clothing. You would be hard pressed to make a more retarded argument without completely derailing the thread into a discussion about the ‘pussification’ of the human race.

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
I’ve yet to see a chick trying to fight a guy that looks like he can actually handle himself. It’s always Joe Average that looks like he just left a coffee shop, where he was working on his “screenplay”. Or it’s some dude that can’t even bring himself to hold his head up and look the bitch in the eye, much less raise a hand to protect himself.

People can sense weakness, and they will exploit it if they want to. Don’t be weak and you won’t be the victim.[/quote]

This is pretty much the equivalent to blaming a female rape victim for wearing skimpy clothing. You would be hard pressed to make a more retarded argument without completely derailing the thread into a discussion about the ‘pussification’ of the human race.
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Well … I’ve never heard of a gargoyle or a whale getting raped …

That’s not true. A woman will still attack a bigger guy with a weapon if she’s crazy. My dad’s ex girlfriend from many years ago attacked him with a knife. He tells me about it when I’m 18 and he’s still with her and I must have been 12-14 when it happened. Apparently, she attacked him with a knife, he disables her and puts her on the ground and steps on her head or something to restrain her.

I asked him why he stayed with her. What would have happened if she had succeeded? What would have happened to my little brother and I who were sleeping in the bedroom? He just goes to say he was in control of the situation and wasn’t worried about it. But if she really wanted him dead she could have slit his throat while he slept and then came after me or my brother.

And she shot and killed her previous husband/boyfriend. So it wasn’t exactly beyond her ability. Just amazes me how stupid he was.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
I have more respect for men who have more restrain and who walk away from fiery situations
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Here’s a piece of advise my mom gave me when I was a little kid…

Don’t start fights, but if someone hits you, hit them back even harder. If you don’t, odds are good you’re going to wind up as that persons personal punching bag.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I suspect that whatever someone does to provoke a woman into attacking a man capable of physically destroying them removes any innocence from the equation.

I always laugh at these bullshit hypotheticals. What if some woman starts flying off and attacks me and is punching me and all that? Whatever shall I do?

You know what you do? You stop acting like such a fucking moron that you provoked such behavior. This sort of reaction by women is almost never without some provocation or warning. Women are either provoked into this sort of behavior or they are so fucking crazy that this behavior should not by any means be a surprise.

I wonder what percentage of that 40% were men who antagonized a woman thinking that she would never take on a “man” and then it happens and they’re totally unprepared and don’t know what to do. I think men like that deserve whatever they get. It’s like sticking your finger in an animal cage with a fuzzy, cute little rabbit in it and you keep poking at the thing and then it has a reaction and bites you.[/quote]

In bold : Total fallacy.

You are implying that women never start any discussions or aggressions. Many studies, including the ones that the founder of the first women’s shelter in UK, A WOMAN, prove this fact : Women are at least as aggressive as men.

What are your sources?

I’ll turn around your other argument. How many men suffered from psychological abuse until they snapped and beat their wives? A very important amount. Again, it’s all in these studies. I put the link to the woman’s name in my first post. You can do your own research from there.

If not, I have a free handbook at home with more data on all this.

EDIT : Like I said in my first post, it all comes down to strength differences. The same action by a man is going to hurt a lot more a woman than if the opposite happens. But besides that, both initate discussions and aggressions at similar levels.

[quote]strangemeadow wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
Chivalry is not dead, don’t hit women. If you’ve gotten yourself into a situation where a woman is hitting you, you’ve clearly not been handling the relationship or thinking very well. Walk away, dump the crazy chick, figure out how you let yourself go down such a fucked path.
Don’t repeat.[/quote]

Chivalry is the code of fighting for and protecting the weak, defenseless, and incapable. While the idea isn’t dead, you applying that code specifically to women says a lot about you.[/quote]
I would love to hear your take on what it says about me. Please enlighten.
I respect women to the highest degree. I don’t hold them to the same standards as men. Women can be tough, smart, capable, ect, all that shit, but women are different. It would take me a long time to explain why, but quickly:
They have different chemistry
They think differently
The feel differently about things than men
They can grow life inside of them
Just a few…
I’m amazed by women, but just like in jobs, they are better than men (often) in some areas, men are better than women in some areas. Fuck this equality shit. It’s just different. And that’s ok. Respect the difference.
But very different.
[/quote]

Nature vs. Nuture

If we didn’t teach women to feel and think differently from birth I really doubt those differences would be present.

Give girls toy guns and shovels instead of teapots and.miniature vanity sets…

I do asknowledge physical difference but the rest is all our own doing.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Grimlorn wrote:

If a woman hit me seriously. I’d probably hit her back even if it didn’t hurt. I think if women want equal rights then they should deal with the consequences that brings.

I’ve sparred with some women and that kind of changes your perception on hitting women. I was also taught you should never hit a woman and blah blah blah. But women aren’t as soft and fragile as men think. Most probably are but there are some strong ones out there that can handle themselves.

A lot of women though think they can hit a man anytime they want because it doesn’t physically hurt them. They also laugh when they see men get physically abused by a woman and think men who get beat up by women are pussies (because they don’t hit back and subsequently get their asses kicked), but when a woman gets her ass kicked by a man it’s because he’s an abusive asshole. No one ever asks what provoked the attack and whether the man was defending himself or was hit first.

You’re only classified as scum by dumb women and white knight fags. Sure there are a ton of them but who cares what they think.[/quote]

So because you’ve sparred with some ‘‘strong’’ women you think it’s absolutely okay to hit any other woman back, obviously harder – causing even more damage since your blow will be stronger than hers – if she’d hit you? Interesting. Yes, there are women who think they can fight/hit men, and yeah by all means, please hit them hard. Teach them a lesson. I’d said to those women, ‘want to hit a man? Cool, but be prepared to get hit back, much harder. Suck it in and do not fucking complain. You’ll deserve that beat down.’.

But then there’s always the other option; not hitting back and just walking away. I have more respect for men who have more restrain and who walk away from fiery situations, especially when the assailant is a weakling, petite femme. Hitting her back 'cos you wanna prove you ain’t a pussy or a ‘‘white knight fag’’ makes you a fucking bully. And even a bigger pussy. I mean, fighting someone your own size or ‘‘manly’’ strength won’t be as easy, right? Meh, won’t be my ass charged with assault, since nowadays, women mostly WIN in these kind of situations. Whether you’re in the wrong or right, touch a woman, find yourself slapped with a criminal record.

As a martial artist and ex-fighter, I’m really not the kind of woman who goes around and hits men first in a fit of anger. I’m much more ‘‘touch me/hit me first and you’ll regret it’’ kinda gal. I ALWAYS walk away when I’m fucking angry. I know I’m capable of horrible things when the adrenaline is pumping through my veins. And if the guy even tries to touch me, he’d better make sure that first blow kills me. 'cos right then, I won’t hold back. We will fight till death do us part. I will kill the motherfucker with any thing I can grab right there. And I know I can always claim self-defence and have a chance to WIN in court :wink: :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile: <<<------ See what I did there?

The moral of the story, men or women, just don’t hit anybody. Avoid physical confrontation. Life is much easier that way. And this is what I’ll teach my future son and daughter.

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Definitely not turning my back to walk away from someone with a purse which could have a potential stun gun real gun or mini crossbow in it. And if she doesn’t have any of those things a brick to the dome would be just as effective.

I don’t start fights with anyone ever but like you if it comes to that point I have to defend myself.

A knife in the stomach is a knife in the stomach no matter what gender the person is that puts it there.

Will. I beat a woman to death? No.

Will I do what I need to do to disable and possibly disarm one? Yes

For me its all about protecting my life. I don’t care for the “don’t be a pussy hit the ho” shit. Lots of people have weapons these day that are concealed. From that I assume any non permitted aggression could escolate to the aggressor putting a bullet in my chest.

[quote]strangemeadow wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
Chivalry is not dead, don’t hit women. If you’ve gotten yourself into a situation where a woman is hitting you, you’ve clearly not been handling the relationship or thinking very well. Walk away, dump the crazy chick, figure out how you let yourself go down such a fucked path.
Don’t repeat.[/quote]

Chivalry is the code of fighting for and protecting the weak, defenseless, and incapable. While the idea isn’t dead, you applying that code specifically to women says a lot about you.[/quote]
I would love to hear your take on what it says about me. Please enlighten.
I respect women to the highest degree. I don’t hold them to the same standards as men. Women can be tough, smart, capable, ect, all that shit, but women are different. It would take me a long time to explain why, but quickly:
They have different chemistry
They think differently
The feel differently about things than men
They can grow life inside of them
Just a few…
I’m amazed by women, but just like in jobs, they are better than men (often) in some areas, men are better than women in some areas. Fuck this equality shit. It’s just different. And that’s ok. Respect the difference.
But very different.
[/quote]

Equal and Same have different meanings. I respect women. I consider them equal to men. I do not think they are the same as men. Really poor logic.

And you applying the idea of chivalry specifically to women says, very specifically, that you consider them weak.

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]strangemeadow wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
Chivalry is not dead, don’t hit women. If you’ve gotten yourself into a situation where a woman is hitting you, you’ve clearly not been handling the relationship or thinking very well. Walk away, dump the crazy chick, figure out how you let yourself go down such a fucked path.
Don’t repeat.[/quote]

Chivalry is the code of fighting for and protecting the weak, defenseless, and incapable. While the idea isn’t dead, you applying that code specifically to women says a lot about you.[/quote]
I would love to hear your take on what it says about me. Please enlighten.
I respect women to the highest degree. I don’t hold them to the same standards as men. Women can be tough, smart, capable, ect, all that shit, but women are different. It would take me a long time to explain why, but quickly:
They have different chemistry
They think differently
The feel differently about things than men
They can grow life inside of them
Just a few…
I’m amazed by women, but just like in jobs, they are better than men (often) in some areas, men are better than women in some areas. Fuck this equality shit. It’s just different. And that’s ok. Respect the difference.
But very different.
[/quote]

Nature vs. Nuture

If we didn’t teach women to feel and think differently from birth I really doubt those differences would be present.

Give girls toy guns and shovels instead of teapots and.miniature vanity sets…

I do asknowledge physical difference but the rest is all our own doing.[/quote]

You are completely wrong.

Go look at cases where, through some physical mishap, a baby is raised as a different gender. Society’s tendency to give little girls teapots and boys guns happened because little girls tend to like teapots and little boys tend to like guns. It is the biological tendency that created the societal norm, not the other way around.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]strangemeadow wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
Chivalry is not dead, don’t hit women. If you’ve gotten yourself into a situation where a woman is hitting you, you’ve clearly not been handling the relationship or thinking very well. Walk away, dump the crazy chick, figure out how you let yourself go down such a fucked path.
Don’t repeat.[/quote]

Chivalry is the code of fighting for and protecting the weak, defenseless, and incapable. While the idea isn’t dead, you applying that code specifically to women says a lot about you.[/quote]
I would love to hear your take on what it says about me. Please enlighten.
I respect women to the highest degree. I don’t hold them to the same standards as men. Women can be tough, smart, capable, ect, all that shit, but women are different. It would take me a long time to explain why, but quickly:
They have different chemistry
They think differently
The feel differently about things than men
They can grow life inside of them
Just a few…
I’m amazed by women, but just like in jobs, they are better than men (often) in some areas, men are better than women in some areas. Fuck this equality shit. It’s just different. And that’s ok. Respect the difference.
But very different.
[/quote]

Nature vs. Nuture

If we didn’t teach women to feel and think differently from birth I really doubt those differences would be present.

Give girls toy guns and shovels instead of teapots and.miniature vanity sets…

I do asknowledge physical difference but the rest is all our own doing.[/quote]

You are completely wrong.

Go look at cases where, through some physical mishap, a baby is raised as a different gender. Society’s tendency to give little girls teapots and boys guns happened because little girls tend to like teapots and little boys tend to like guns. It is the biological tendency that created the societal norm, not the other way around.[/quote]

So…

If we from day one treated boys and girls the exact same girls would still behave as they do now? It has nothing to do with conditioning or grooming?

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Nature vs. Nuture

If we didn’t teach women to feel and think differently from birth I really doubt those differences would be present.

Give girls toy guns and shovels instead of teapots and.miniature vanity sets…

I do asknowledge physical difference but the rest is all our own doing.[/quote]

Not true.

And : David Reimer - Wikipedia

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
I’ve yet to see a chick trying to fight a guy that looks like he can actually handle himself. It’s always Joe Average that looks like he just left a coffee shop, where he was working on his “screenplay”. Or it’s some dude that can’t even bring himself to hold his head up and look the bitch in the eye, much less raise a hand to protect himself.

People can sense weakness, and they will exploit it if they want to. Don’t be weak and you won’t be the victim.[/quote]

This is pretty much the equivalent to blaming a female rape victim for wearing skimpy clothing. You would be hard pressed to make a more retarded argument without completely derailing the thread into a discussion about the ‘pussification’ of the human race.
[/quote]

I am not assigning blame here. I’m saying that if you respect yourself and project confidence you will have a better chance of avoiding random violence from anyone, much less a woman.

As to the person who brought up the weapon/crazy bitch argument, yeah that’s true. Crazy people do crazy shit.

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Nature vs. Nuture

If we didn’t teach women to feel and think differently from birth I really doubt those differences would be present.

Give girls toy guns and shovels instead of teapots and.miniature vanity sets…

I do asknowledge physical difference but the rest is all our own doing.[/quote]

Not true.

And : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer[/quote]

So I will ask you the same question as DD.

If we condition all genders the same way from day one what happens?

I swear some of you are just horny to prove people wrong rather than opening a conversation to really consider topics.

If I was “completely wrong” nature vs nurture would not be a longstanding debate. You say I’m wrong as if I just made this shit up while pissing this morning.

Oh well. I should’ve known to not even try on here with anything.

Anyway…I don’t care anymore

Off to make lulz elsewhere

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]strangemeadow wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
Chivalry is not dead, don’t hit women. If you’ve gotten yourself into a situation where a woman is hitting you, you’ve clearly not been handling the relationship or thinking very well. Walk away, dump the crazy chick, figure out how you let yourself go down such a fucked path.
Don’t repeat.[/quote]

Chivalry is the code of fighting for and protecting the weak, defenseless, and incapable. While the idea isn’t dead, you applying that code specifically to women says a lot about you.[/quote]
I would love to hear your take on what it says about me. Please enlighten.
I respect women to the highest degree. I don’t hold them to the same standards as men. Women can be tough, smart, capable, ect, all that shit, but women are different. It would take me a long time to explain why, but quickly:
They have different chemistry
They think differently
The feel differently about things than men
They can grow life inside of them
Just a few…
I’m amazed by women, but just like in jobs, they are better than men (often) in some areas, men are better than women in some areas. Fuck this equality shit. It’s just different. And that’s ok. Respect the difference.
But very different.
[/quote]

Nature vs. Nuture

If we didn’t teach women to feel and think differently from birth I really doubt those differences would be present.

Give girls toy guns and shovels instead of teapots and.miniature vanity sets…

I do asknowledge physical difference but the rest is all our own doing.[/quote]

You are completely wrong.

Go look at cases where, through some physical mishap, a baby is raised as a different gender. Society’s tendency to give little girls teapots and boys guns happened because little girls tend to like teapots and little boys tend to like guns. It is the biological tendency that created the societal norm, not the other way around.[/quote]

So…

If we from day one treated boys and girls the exact same girls would still behave as they do now? It has nothing to do with conditioning or grooming?

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No, if you treated them differently than you do now, they would behave differently than they do now. I never said anything about conditioning not happening. I said, if you treated them the same, boys and girls still would behave differently.

If you treated a duck like a fish, it would act differently than if you treated it like a duck, but it still wouldn’t be a fish.

They’ve done actually testing on this. You give a little boy a teapot and he will pretend it’s a gun.