People who think puking is a good thing should read #3.[/quote]
“Puking is one of the most catabolic things you can do to your body. If your goals are increased muscular strength and/or muscular hypertrophy, you should do everything possible not to puke during your training!”
Why is it catabolic though? Is this if you’re actually vomiting up your food, thus reducing the calories digested, and slowing the metabolism or something?[/quote]
That would be my guess. Especially since it empties your stomach right at the end of your workout when you would normally want to be taking in calories for better recovery.[/quote]
So wouldn’t some solid PWO eats combat this, as after any other strength workout?[/quote]
No. 1. you just got rid of stuff that was already well into the process of digesting.
2. You most likely won’t be able to keep much food down if you’ve just finished puking.[/quote]
Most of the digestion process takes place in the small intestine, so unless you’re vomiting up so violently as to pull ‘food’ out from there, you’re only losing stuff that’s barely begun digesting.
I am sure everyone here has heard of the term, “runner’s high.” Well, intense exercise will release endorphins (endogenous opioids). This accounts for that feeling of euphoria. However, at high enough concentrations, these endorphins interact with the area postrema (CTZ, chemoreceptor trigger zone) in the 4th ventricle of the brain, which when stimulated acts to induce vomiting.
No acute event like vomiting is going to make someone “catabolic.” Protracted vomiting an diarrhea are catabolic, but not puking once you’re done with your last set on the Prowler.
Don’t bag on Tate. He rarely if ever gets on that Prowler anymore. If anyone, it should be Wendler and DeFranco to blame (read: thank) for this rash of Prowler flu, but both will agree that going until you puke every time is not optimal. Every once in a while, though, you want to see where you stand. Anyway, all of us should probably do more of what they (Tate & Wendler) advise.
[quote]bABoon wrote:
I am sure everyone here has heard of the term, “runner’s high.” Well, intense exercise will release endorphins (endogenous opioids). This accounts for that feeling of euphoria. However, at high enough concentrations, these endorphins interact with the area postrema (CTZ, chemoreceptor trigger zone) in the 4th ventricle of the brain, which when stimulated acts to induce vomiting.[/quote]
So is this the same mechanism that causes one to vomit from opiates/opioids use?
I always understood puking from exercise being due to the blood becoming to acidic due to hyperventilation (blowing off all your bicarb buffer) and lactic acid production, so an easy way for the body to get rid of a bunch of acid is to empty the stomach and hopefully bring the blood pH back up. Probably not completely right but that is the simple way I have heard it explained.
People who think puking is a good thing should read #3.[/quote]
“Puking is one of the most catabolic things you can do to your body. If your goals are increased muscular strength and/or muscular hypertrophy, you should do everything possible not to puke during your training!”
Why is it catabolic though? Is this if you’re actually vomiting up your food, thus reducing the calories digested, and slowing the metabolism or something?[/quote]
That would be my guess. Especially since it empties your stomach right at the end of your workout when you would normally want to be taking in calories for better recovery.[/quote]
So wouldn’t some solid PWO eats combat this, as after any other strength workout?[/quote]
No. 1. you just got rid of stuff that was already well into the process of digesting.
2. You most likely won’t be able to keep much food down if you’ve just finished puking.[/quote]
Most of the digestion process takes place in the small intestine, so unless you’re vomiting up so violently as to pull ‘food’ out from there, you’re only losing stuff that’s barely begun digesting.
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That isn’t exactly true. While most of the absorbtion occurs in the small intestine, much of the digestive process, including the breaking down of protein occurs in the stomach.
On a personal level, I’ve certainly puked (drinking induced) food that I ate several hours before. That is a lot time spent digesting.
[quote]bABoon wrote:
I am sure everyone here has heard of the term, “runner’s high.” Well, intense exercise will release endorphins (endogenous opioids). This accounts for that feeling of euphoria. However, at high enough concentrations, these endorphins interact with the area postrema (CTZ, chemoreceptor trigger zone) in the 4th ventricle of the brain, which when stimulated acts to induce vomiting.[/quote]
So is this the same mechanism that causes one to vomit from opiates/opioids use?[/quote]
Yes. Absurdly common in Hospice care where some patients have so much pain that they are on enough morphine to take down a baby rhino. At that point they have not developed a tolerance to the opioids, and typically vomit. The loss of H+ through vomiting will attempt to rectify the pH in your blood, but this compensation is never full. Also, running with the Prowler, or any other optional physical activity will not cause metabolic acidosis, specifically lactic acidosis. This is seen more in seizure patients or states of inadequate tissue perfusion (e.g. shock).
[quote]TJ781 wrote:
I always understood puking from exercise being due to the blood becoming to acidic due to hyperventilation (blowing off all your bicarb buffer) and lactic acid production, so an easy way for the body to get rid of a bunch of acid is to empty the stomach and hopefully bring the blood pH back up. Probably not completely right but that is the simple way I have heard it explained.[/quote]
I am going to be nitpicky, but only because I am a medical student and am really just relearning this myself. Hyperventilation occurs in pathologic states like panic attacks and pregnancy. Hyperpnea is the faster/deeper breathing during exercise. And in acidosis, the respiratory compensation is to increase respiration rate to blow off more CO2 (volatile acid).
i think its cause you have all ylour blood going to your legs and other muscles so it doesnt shoot any to your gut so then your gut says, shit what do i do with this crap? fuckit puke that shit up bitch.
Either that or your girlfriend has a serious stank that makes you sick and it takes some time to reach your tolerence point where you throwup.
[quote]TJ781 wrote:
I always understood puking from exercise being due to the blood becoming to acidic due to hyperventilation (blowing off all your bicarb buffer) and lactic acid production, so an easy way for the body to get rid of a bunch of acid is to empty the stomach and hopefully bring the blood pH back up. Probably not completely right but that is the simple way I have heard it explained.[/quote]
I am going to be nitpicky, but only because I am a medical student and am really just relearning this myself. Hyperventilation occurs in pathologic states like panic attacks and pregnancy. Hyperpnea is the faster/deeper breathing during exercise. And in acidosis, the respiratory compensation is to increase respiration rate to blow off more CO2 (volatile acid).[/quote]
If you reeeeaaally wanted to get nitpicky you could mention the misnomer that is lactic acid.
[quote]TJ781 wrote:
I always understood puking from exercise being due to the blood becoming to acidic due to hyperventilation (blowing off all your bicarb buffer) and lactic acid production, so an easy way for the body to get rid of a bunch of acid is to empty the stomach and hopefully bring the blood pH back up. Probably not completely right but that is the simple way I have heard it explained.[/quote]
I am going to be nitpicky, but only because I am a medical student and am really just relearning this myself. Hyperventilation occurs in pathologic states like panic attacks and pregnancy. Hyperpnea is the faster/deeper breathing during exercise. And in acidosis, the respiratory compensation is to increase respiration rate to blow off more CO2 (volatile acid).[/quote]
If you reeeeaaally wanted to get nitpicky you could mention the misnomer that is lactic acid. [/quote]
Well, yes, technically lactate production is electrically neutral, but pyruvate production, the penultimate step to lactate production produces protons. The idea is probably lost on the layman, but I wanted to clear up the confusion that TJ seemed to demonstrate. When you are breathing faster during exercise (or any other situation) you are not blowing off bicarb, you blow off CO2, which is in essence, an acid, not a base. This is a reaction to the lower pH of your blood at that point in time.
People who think puking is a good thing should read #3.[/quote]
“Puking is one of the most catabolic things you can do to your body. If your goals are increased muscular strength and/or muscular hypertrophy, you should do everything possible not to puke during your training!”
Why is it catabolic though? Is this if you’re actually vomiting up your food, thus reducing the calories digested, and slowing the metabolism or something?[/quote]
That would be my guess. Especially since it empties your stomach right at the end of your workout when you would normally want to be taking in calories for better recovery.[/quote]
So wouldn’t some solid PWO eats combat this, as after any other strength workout?[/quote]
No. 1. you just got rid of stuff that was already well into the process of digesting.
2. You most likely won’t be able to keep much food down if you’ve just finished puking.[/quote]
Most of the digestion process takes place in the small intestine, so unless you’re vomiting up so violently as to pull ‘food’ out from there, you’re only losing stuff that’s barely begun digesting.
[/quote]
That isn’t exactly true. While most of the absorbtion occurs in the small intestine, much of the digestive process, including the breaking down of protein occurs in the stomach.
On a personal level, I’ve certainly puked (drinking induced) food that I ate several hours before. That is a lot time spent digesting.[/quote]
Good point.
[quote]TJ781 wrote:
I always understood puking from exercise being due to the blood becoming to acidic due to hyperventilation (blowing off all your bicarb buffer) and lactic acid production, so an easy way for the body to get rid of a bunch of acid is to empty the stomach and hopefully bring the blood pH back up. Probably not completely right but that is the simple way I have heard it explained.[/quote]
I am going to be nitpicky, but only because I am a medical student and am really just relearning this myself. Hyperventilation occurs in pathologic states like panic attacks and pregnancy. Hyperpnea is the faster/deeper breathing during exercise. And in acidosis, the respiratory compensation is to increase respiration rate to blow off more CO2 (volatile acid).[/quote]
If you reeeeaaally wanted to get nitpicky you could mention the misnomer that is lactic acid. [/quote]
Well, yes, technically lactate production is electrically neutral, but pyruvate production, the penultimate step to lactate production produces protons. The idea is probably lost on the layman, but I wanted to clear up the confusion that TJ seemed to demonstrate. When you are breathing faster during exercise (or any other situation) you are not blowing off bicarb, you blow off CO2, which is in essence, an acid, not a base. This is a reaction to the lower pH of your blood at that point in time.[/quote]
Hence, only if you really felt like nit picking.