Does Your GF/Wife Have Male Friends?

[quote]batman730 wrote:
I don’t mean to come across like I’m particularly stiff, formal or PC with women. I can be plenty crude and inappropriate, when it’s appropriate (irony intended). I just don’t make it personal or, as EmilyQ pointed out, imply any direct, however joking, sexual connection between myself and any woman I may be having a less appropriate laugh with. I’m not telling anyone else what they should do, just what works for me.
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Right! Me too! I’m wildly inappropriate much of the time. (I am fun. I am!)

But just not in that particular way.

i haven’t read the whole thread, so i apologize if this has already been posted:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
this thread comes as quite a surprise. My fianceé has a ton of male friends, I’d say that 50% of her pals are male. I myself have a load of female friends, not as much as she has male friends but probably about 20% of my social circle.

It would never in a million years occur to me to not be cool about it. Yes, her male friends have probably thought about banging her at some point, but I don’t care as long as they keep their hands to themselves. Hell, I’ve thought about banging most of my female friends, but I won’t try anything because I don’t want to be unfaithful to my girl and besides my girl mates would probably knock me back anyway.

I’ll never have a problem with her hanging out with dudes, I trust her 100%[/quote]
This thread surprises you because you’re a secure adult.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Bear in mind that I established my work relationships and friendships from within a marriage that I valued. Those behaviors have now carried over into a new relationship. Your friendships predate whatever long term relationship you may develop. We’re in different places.

I guess it depends on the people involved, but for me there’s no real value in pursuing male friends past work chum status.
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My guess is that seeking out new, close, opposite-sex friends is usually indicative of a problem in a relationship. And I would be alarmed if someone I were serious with suddenly started spending a lot of time with a new, male friend. But the OP was about speaking to heterosexual men on the phone, and “having male friends” in general. We have a whole range of what people think are appropriate or inappropriate friendships between men and women, and a whole range of situations (work friends, group friends, best friends, etc.) I also wonder that it seems normal in American gay culture for gay men, in relationships, to be friends with other gay men. It is normal for lesbians in relationships to be friends with other lesbians. But when we talk about heterosexual relationships, nobody can keep their pants on.

Side-story: a few years ago, a woman I knew from high school got in touch with me, wanting to to become “close friends” again. We’d had a difference of opinion a few year before that, leading to a rift. Anyway, she was married at the time. I basically told her that I couldn’t see anything good coming from starting a relationship with a young, married woman, and that I barely had time for single women, much less married ones. I wished her well. I found out about a year or so later that her interpretation of this exchange was “he didn’t see any point in being friends with me if he couldn’t have sex with me.”

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:
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Great post, man.[/quote]
Of course it’s great, he’s the goddamn Batman

[quote]adamhum wrote:
I’ve been with her 2 1/2 years.

I think she knew the person before me…not sure…she has like a hundred friends male and female.

She is very attractive…

This person is single

I’m 38 and she is 34.

The thing is that she is VERY jealous of my female friends. I told her I would be ok with her talking to guys if she’s ok with me talking to my female friends. She doesn’t want to agree to this. It seems like she doesn’t want to make this deal because she would be jealous. Pretty hypocritical.

I agree 1000%…ALL guys want to get in the pants of a hot girl…

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If it’s a land-line I would tape the conversations without her knowing about it. If the conversations are tame I wouldn’t worry. At least you will know for certain where you stand.

I’d bet a lot of the guys here are being cheated on and it would probably be best if they never found out. Women can pull off not getting caught easier than men. Life’s tough.

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]adamhum wrote:
I’ve been with her 2 1/2 years.

I think she knew the person before me…not sure…she has like a hundred friends male and female.

She is very attractive…

This person is single

I’m 38 and she is 34.

The thing is that she is VERY jealous of my female friends. I told her I would be ok with her talking to guys if she’s ok with me talking to my female friends. She doesn’t want to agree to this. It seems like she doesn’t want to make this deal because she would be jealous. Pretty hypocritical.

I agree 1000%…ALL guys want to get in the pants of a hot girl…

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If it’s a land-line I would tape the conversations without her knowing about it. If the conversations are tame I wouldn’t worry. At least you will know for certain where you stand.

I’d bet a lot of the guys here are being cheated on and it would probably be best if they never found out. Women can pull off not getting caught easier than men. Life’s tough.[/quote]

I never understood how someone can cheat and come home to their wife/husband with a clean conscience or what the point of the relationship is at that point… The most it seems to happen is when relationships are kind of dead or failed in marriage but people just stay together for the kids, etc… but a pure loveless marriage… I don’t understand all the complications and stupidity at all… Either just have trust and be yourself and enjoy the relationship and if it turns toxic or disrespectful leave…

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
this thread comes as quite a surprise. My fianceÃ?© has a ton of male friends, I’d say that 50% of her pals are male. I myself have a load of female friends, not as much as she has male friends but probably about 20% of my social circle.

It would never in a million years occur to me to not be cool about it. Yes, her male friends have probably thought about banging her at some point, but I don’t care as long as they keep their hands to themselves. Hell, I’ve thought about banging most of my female friends, but I won’t try anything because I don’t want to be unfaithful to my girl and besides my girl mates would probably knock me back anyway.

I’ll never have a problem with her hanging out with dudes, I trust her 100%[/quote]
This thread surprises you because you’re a secure adult.[/quote]

lol, I guess. I don’t even mind that my girl gets hit on CONSTANTLY at the gym we use. I like to wait til the guy’s made his move then come up and put my arm round her and be like “Hey baby, who’s your friend?” and act like I don’t realise he’s hitting on her.

[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
this thread comes as quite a surprise. My fianceÃ??Ã?© has a ton of male friends, I’d say that 50% of her pals are male. I myself have a load of female friends, not as much as she has male friends but probably about 20% of my social circle.

It would never in a million years occur to me to not be cool about it. Yes, her male friends have probably thought about banging her at some point, but I don’t care as long as they keep their hands to themselves. Hell, I’ve thought about banging most of my female friends, but I won’t try anything because I don’t want to be unfaithful to my girl and besides my girl mates would probably knock me back anyway.

I’ll never have a problem with her hanging out with dudes, I trust her 100%[/quote]
This thread surprises you because you’re a secure adult.[/quote]

lol, I guess. I don’t even mind that my girl gets hit on CONSTANTLY at the gym we use. I like to wait til the guy’s made his move then come up and put my arm round her and be like “Hey baby, who’s your friend?” and act like I don’t realise he’s hitting on her.[/quote]

Does she wear yoga pants, chicks that go to the gym ALWAYS get hit on when they wear yoga pants, hahaha

[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
this thread comes as quite a surprise. My fianceÃ??Ã?© has a ton of male friends, I’d say that 50% of her pals are male. I myself have a load of female friends, not as much as she has male friends but probably about 20% of my social circle.

It would never in a million years occur to me to not be cool about it. Yes, her male friends have probably thought about banging her at some point, but I don’t care as long as they keep their hands to themselves. Hell, I’ve thought about banging most of my female friends, but I won’t try anything because I don’t want to be unfaithful to my girl and besides my girl mates would probably knock me back anyway.

I’ll never have a problem with her hanging out with dudes, I trust her 100%[/quote]
This thread surprises you because you’re a secure adult.[/quote]

lol, I guess. I don’t even mind that my girl gets hit on CONSTANTLY at the gym we use. I like to wait til the guy’s made his move then come up and put my arm round her and be like “Hey baby, who’s your friend?” and act like I don’t realise he’s hitting on her.[/quote]

What’s insecure or childish about not wanting to potentially muddy mine or anyone else’s relationship, and preferring as a rule not to get hit on by friends?

Looking at this:

I don’t see anything that appeals to me. Sexual tension is vastly preferable to me with someone with whom I can hope to satisfy it.

Randoms hitting on one or the other of us are a whole different thing. Those are meaningless to me, both on my end and his. Flattering, I suppose, but not something I feel the need to seek out or encourage.

[quote]nephorm wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Bear in mind that I established my work relationships and friendships from within a marriage that I valued. Those behaviors have now carried over into a new relationship. Your friendships predate whatever long term relationship you may develop. We’re in different places.

I guess it depends on the people involved, but for me there’s no real value in pursuing male friends past work chum status.
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My guess is that seeking out new, close, opposite-sex friends is usually indicative of a problem in a relationship. And I would be alarmed if someone I were serious with suddenly started spending a lot of time with a new, male friend. But the OP was about speaking to heterosexual men on the phone, and “having male friends” in general. We have a whole range of what people think are appropriate or inappropriate friendships between men and women, and a whole range of situations (work friends, group friends, best friends, etc.) I also wonder that it seems normal in American gay culture for gay men, in relationships, to be friends with other gay men. It is normal for lesbians in relationships to be friends with other lesbians. But when we talk about heterosexual relationships, nobody can keep their pants on.[/quote]

It looks like what we’ve established is that the whole thing is largely personality-dependent. I’m drawn to men who are similar to me in orientation, so if there is enough spark to create a close friendship there is enough spark to cause trouble, as we are probably similarly prone to intimate attachment. I read of commitment-phobic men and simply cannot relate them to my own experience (as a kid and now), which has been of having to resist becoming locked in before I’m ready.

So I guess the question for you in determining how it should work is: what sort of person are you? My gut tells me that you’re intimacy- and attachment-seeking and will prefer to cleave unto your person, once you acquire her. But I could be wrong.

I think gays and lesbians do have these issues, again depending on personality and relationship parameters. Gay men have high rates of domestic violence, which is often jealousy-driven. I had a lesbian workmate and friend who never spoke of getting together outside of work without including her partner.

I respect your choice not to go after what may have been low-hanging fruit. And, she sounds like something of a jerk.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Looking at this:

I don’t see anything that appeals to me. Sexual tension is vastly preferable to me with someone with whom I can hope to satisfy it.

Randoms hitting on one or the other of us are a whole different thing. Those are meaningless to me, both on my end and his. Flattering, I suppose, but not something I feel the need to seek out or encourage. [/quote]

I don’t even really think it counts as sexual tension. I mean, most of her male mates she’s known since they were kids, so while they’ve probably thought about sex with her at some point, I doubt there’s any tension left by now.

I dunno. I’m not trying to make out like my relationship is perfect and better than anyone elses, I just think it’s odd that so many people on here have a problem with their partners having pals of the opposite sex. It’s honestly not something I’ve ever even thought about.

[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Looking at this:

I don’t see anything that appeals to me. Sexual tension is vastly preferable to me with someone with whom I can hope to satisfy it.

Randoms hitting on one or the other of us are a whole different thing. Those are meaningless to me, both on my end and his. Flattering, I suppose, but not something I feel the need to seek out or encourage. [/quote]

I don’t even really think it counts as sexual tension. I mean, most of her male mates she’s known since they were kids, so while they’ve probably thought about sex with her at some point, I doubt there’s any tension left by now.

I dunno. I’m not trying to make out like my relationship is perfect and better than anyone elses, I just think it’s odd that so many people on here have a problem with their partners having pals of the opposite sex. It’s honestly not something I’ve ever even thought about.[/quote]

I don’t question that it’s fine for you, and DebraD is reporting long term success with what sounds like the same relationship model. My only question really is what makes it the relationship model for “secure adults.” That was the poster responding to you (OBoile) though, not you.

A couple of things: I think it bears mentioning that not all platonic male/female relationships are created equal. Work pals and casual acquaintances are not the same as someone you go out for drinks with alone on a regular basis. A whole bunch of people socializing in a mixed gender group is not the same as a woman calling a man late at night to have a long talk about life and love.

Long standing friendships, particularly those originating in childhood are different from more recent acquaintances. As rds points out above, there often simply isn’t any sexual tension in these relationships. I think it has something to do with the incest defence mechanism mentioned earlier.

As an example, my boss’s daughter has known me since she was 6 or 7. Recently some of the girls she knows at the club we both row out of saw me talking to her and commented that I was attractive (the lighting must have been bad). The “EWWWWWW!” response on her part was visceral and immediate. I find it easy to believe that we just don’t tend to see people from our early childhood in that light.

As rds also points out in his side-story, seeking to renew acquaintances originated in HS, after we reach sexual maturity, can potentially have very different connotations. This is where FB can become a problem IMO. I have seen more than one spouse get trade in for the idea of an old flame or the one that got away. My wife has some casual male acquaintances she has had for years.

She keeps in touch through FB and would go for coffee to catch up if she crossed paths with one of them. This is obviously cool. If she started calling one of these guys on a regular basis or having one on one meals, cocktails etc, this would be uncool. I’m not sure if this is because I find it to be inherently uncool or simply because it would represent a significant change in her current pattern of behaviour.

As another example my ex had a LOT of male friends. Every time she switched jobs she would immediately get super friendly with all the dudes working there. She was pretty hot and she derived much of her sense of worth from the power she exerted over guys. She actively cultivated sexual tension with almost every guy she came in contact with and crossed over personal boundaries all the time. I was cool with it because I was, well cool and oh-so-secure. At that time I very much had the attitude that she was gonna do what she was gonna do. My lack of response caused her to escalate her behaviour, since she was looking for a reaction.

I honestly don’t know if she could help herself. It really is like a sickness/addiction with her. However I was 21 and I was with the girl ALL the dudes wanted to be with and in my ignorant cock-surety I figured I had life by the balls as a predictable result of my undeniable awesomeness. Naturally cheating ensued. Twice. Of course, we had gotten together while she was with another guy and we had developed a “friendship” at work. I expect it is a pattern she will repeat throughout her life barring some significant personal breakthroughs.

I couldn’t have changed her actions and I’m grateful we’re not together, but I might have seen things for what they were sooner and invested less time and emotional energy. We very nearly got married which would have made the whole thing much more complicated and painful to sort out.

In no way am I implying that this is the OP’s situation. I don’t know anything about him or his GF. My point is simply that not all guy/girl friend situations are the same and, when we want to, we can very easily fool ourselves into believing something is one thing when it is, in fact, another.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Looking at this:

I don’t see anything that appeals to me. Sexual tension is vastly preferable to me with someone with whom I can hope to satisfy it.

Randoms hitting on one or the other of us are a whole different thing. Those are meaningless to me, both on my end and his. Flattering, I suppose, but not something I feel the need to seek out or encourage. [/quote]

I don’t even really think it counts as sexual tension. I mean, most of her male mates she’s known since they were kids, so while they’ve probably thought about sex with her at some point, I doubt there’s any tension left by now.

I dunno. I’m not trying to make out like my relationship is perfect and better than anyone elses, I just think it’s odd that so many people on here have a problem with their partners having pals of the opposite sex. It’s honestly not something I’ve ever even thought about.[/quote]

I don’t question that it’s fine for you, and DebraD is reporting long term success with what sounds like the same relationship model. My only question really is what makes it the relationship model for “secure adults.” That was the poster responding to you (OBoile) though, not you.

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Miss Kamui is hot, younger than me and she is still a student.
For these reasons, she naturally has a ton of male acquaintances and friends.
Most of them younger than me, and full of testosterone.

Due to the open nature of our relationship, she have had and will have sex with some of them.

Despite this, i have no fear to lose her.

Not because we both are “secure adult”. Not because i “trust her”.
Because i trust them.

They may want to bang her. Some of them may even succeed.

But none of them is crazy enough to attempt to live with her.

None of them will be strong enough to deal with her mood swings, her caprices, her hardcore fantasies, her submissive practices, the physical and psychical side effects of the treatment of her multiple sclerosis, her quasi-pathological perfectionnism, her batshit crazy mother, etc.

I call that my “Xanthippe Strategy”. And it works pretty well.

[quote]batman730 wrote:
My wife has some casual male acquaintances she has had for years. She keeps in touch through FB and would go for coffee to catch up if she crossed paths with one of them. This is obviously cool. If she started calling one of these guys on a regular basis or having one on one meals, cocktails etc, this would be uncool. I’m not sure if this is because I find it to be inherently uncool or simply because it would represent a significant change in her current pattern of behavior.[/quote]

This is me, essentially. I have male friends, acquaintances, and exes, but I don’t seek to become closer to them, as my close attachment needs are filled by my boyfriend. On the other hand, I’m FB friends with the boy I dated from 17-23 (interestingly, I made the friend request but he ignored it for a couple of years and then seems to have accepted it upon having gotten married…wonder what that’s all about?). Recently, my ex-husband, who is currently living overseas, set up a FB account and we’re friends. A couple of weeks ago, after we’d caught up on Skype, he sent me an email that was very tender and basically absolved me of any blame in our breakup. I mentioned it to my boyfriend as both a confusing thing (was he feeling me out for a reconciliation?) and as a concerning thing (he’s far away from home, is he floundering emotionally?). Boyfriend’s only question was whether he had anything to be concerned about. And no. NO. My boyfriend is right now at his ex-wife’s, spending the weekend with their son. Sometimes she’s there, sometimes she goes off for the weekends he’s there. Trust isn’t the issue. It’s really about preferences.

Possibly I’m inhibited with men in general because I’m so uninhibited within a secure relationship. Maybe it feels better as an all or nothing thing.

[quote]kamui wrote:
Miss Kamui is hot, younger than me and she is still a student.
For these reasons, she naturally has a ton of male acquaintances and friends.
Most of them younger than me, and full of testosterone.

Due to the open nature of our relationship, she have had and will have sex with some of them.

Despite this, i have no fear to lose her.

Not because we both are “secure adult”. Not because i “trust her”.
Because i trust them.

They may want to bang her. Some of them may even succeed.

But none of them is crazy enough to attempt to live with her.

None of them will be strong enough to deal with her mood swings, her caprices, her hardcore fantasies, her submissive practices, the physical and psychical side effects of the treatment of her multiple sclerosis, her quasi-pathological perfectionnism, her batshit crazy mother, etc.

I call that my “Xanthippe Strategy”. And it works pretty well.[/quote]

See, my soul would be damaged by that. Not because it’s objectively wrong, but because it would be so wrong for ME.

My boyfriend can be a bit jealous/protective. I like it. Someone recently called me “a keeper” to him. I asked who, assuming it was one of the older ladies he works with (older ladies love me). It was another man and he never would tell me who, saying he didn’t want to give me any ideas. lol

On the other hand, a friend’s boyfriend went driving around looking for her one night when she and I were having dinner together. He somehow didn’t see my car and accused her of vague wrongdoing (“so who were you with??”). That crosses a huge line. It’s insecure and offensive. Stalking! If you need to do shit like that (and bugging the telephone to listen to conversations) you don’t belong with the person you’re with. One of the two of you sucks, and the other doesn’t deserve you.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I respect your choice not to go after what may have been low-hanging fruit. And, she sounds like something of a jerk.
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I sort of doubt the fruit was hanging as low as you think. My guess is that she would’ve been happy to get me to the point where I made a pass at her, whereupon she could have stopped my advance by pointing out her marital status, secure in the knowledge that I wanted her.

Not that there was a risk of that happening; I had no urges of that sort toward the woman she’d become.

[quote]nephorm wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I respect your choice not to go after what may have been low-hanging fruit. And, she sounds like something of a jerk.
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I sort of doubt the fruit was hanging as low as you think. My guess is that she would’ve been happy to get me to the point where I made a pass at her, whereupon she could have stopped my advance by pointing out her marital status, secure in the knowledge that I wanted her.

Not that there was a risk of that happening; I had no urges of that sort toward the woman she’d become.[/quote]

Which I respect even more!

People, man. They can be pretty ugly. On the other hand, they can sometimes be awfully nice. So I suppose it balances out.

(WHY am I not packing? HOW does this computer keep winding up on my lap?)