TD and Bricknyce-
You guys need to see the movie “idiocracy”. Someone posted this in C_C’s alpha rant but I think it applies here as well.
nothing good in here (BB forum) in a while. i’m too busy lately to be on here anyway. even SAMA is sucking the pooch lately.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Trav: This forum is now swarming with loonies/kooks/crazies that need to be put back in their cages!
At this point, I’m surprised they function in normal, everyday life. How the fuck can someone function in the facets of life–school, friends, family, work, pussy–if they’re constantly thinking all damn day? It’s unbelievable! Who has the emotional and mental energy to think of dumb shit all day - shit like stories of identical twins getting big and developing a killer squat.
I’m actually scared at this point - scared of the human race’s future or my safety in society.
We actually had a guy inquiring yesterday if mashing cauiflower and broccoli into his mashed 'taters will destroy the nutritive value of them.
I’m scared - very, VERY scared. [/quote]
Sorry but you’ve gotta be one dumbest people ive ever spoken to. Luckily your not trying to offer me any advice, otherwise my IQ might plumit. Im sorry if its so hard to think once in a while. You should try it. It wont kill you.
And I know that you can add strength without adding size, but you aren’t going to double your squat (as in 300 lbs up to 600lbs) without seeing any gains in size.
You, as well as the many others that are basically trolling, clearly do not know the answer or even have a theory. Thus, the reason you just continue to troll. And I know you are going to whine and say “you are the one thats trolling, me Ugg big, Me smart.” But you surely dont show it.
dankid, I dont understand why you still post on T-Nation. You don’t want to bench 405, and you want to create THEORETICAL situations that were JUST THEORETICAL, but straight up don’t have the time in the trenches to be arguing, let alone talking shit to, with people like Brick.
Seriously man, a lot of people would like to see you STFU and put in some time under some iron.
[quote]ajweins wrote:
TD and Bricknyce-
You guys need to see the movie “idiocracy”. Someone posted this in C_C’s alpha rant but I think it applies here as well.[/quote]
A prophetic movie for sure.
[quote]dankid wrote:
Sorry but you’ve gotta be one dumbest people ive ever spoken to. Luckily your not trying to offer me any advice, otherwise my IQ might plumit. Im sorry if its so hard to think once in a while. You should try it. It wont kill you.[/quote]
It looks as though your IQ has already begun to “plumit” based on your spelling and grammar.
[quote]dankid wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
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Sorry but you’ve gotta be one dumbest people ive ever spoken to. Luckily your not trying to offer me any advice, otherwise my IQ might plumit. Im sorry if its so hard to think once in a while. You should try it. It wont kill you.
And I know that you can add strength without adding size, but you aren’t going to double your squat (as in 300 lbs up to 600lbs) without seeing any gains in size.
You, as well as the many others that are basically trolling, clearly do not know the answer or even have a theory. Thus, the reason you just continue to troll. And I know you are going to whine and say “you are the one thats trolling, me Ugg big, Me smart.” But you surely dont show it. [/quote]
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
T-Nation - a very creepy place as of late.
Does anyone on here think of normal, or even FUN, shit anymore - shit like movies, pussy, money, bowling, getting out of the house, vacations, what they want to do in life, and so on?
Or perhaps disregarding this dumb shit and making progress in a gym rather than thinking of what two fictional twins look like?
This is fucking creepy shit at this point
[quote]pja wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
T-Nation - a very creepy place as of late.
Does anyone on here think of normal, or even FUN, shit anymore - shit like movies, pussy, money, bowling, getting out of the house, vacations, what they want to do in life, and so on?
Or perhaps disregarding this dumb shit and making progress in a gym rather than thinking of what two fictional twins look like?
This is fucking creepy shit at this point![/quote
My guess is that a majority of the people overanalyzing
everything and acting as if lifting weights necessitates
Einstein-like thought experiments do not get enough mental
stimulation in their everyday lives.
In attempt to fix this I am going to point each and every one of these
people to the below website as both a service to society as a whole
and T-Nation.
Touche…you know me from somewhere?
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
As long as you don’t talk about the Fokker-planck equation.
[quote]pja wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
T-Nation - a very creepy place as of late.
Does anyone on here think of normal, or even FUN, shit anymore - shit like movies, pussy, money, bowling, getting out of the house, vacations, what they want to do in life, and so on?
Or perhaps disregarding this dumb shit and making progress in a gym rather than thinking of what two fictional twins look like?
This is fucking creepy shit at this point![/quote
My guess is that a majority of the people overanalyzing
everything and acting as if lifting weights necessitates
Einstein-like thought experiments do not get enough mental
stimulation in their everyday lives.
In attempt to fix this I am going to point each and every one of these
people to the below website as both a service to society as a whole
and T-Nation.
I am tribunaldude, I know MOST people from somewhere.
Do not panic.
[quote]pja wrote:
Touche…you know me from somewhere?
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
As long as you don’t talk about the Fokker-planck equation.
[quote]pja wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
T-Nation - a very creepy place as of late.
Does anyone on here think of normal, or even FUN, shit anymore - shit like movies, pussy, money, bowling, getting out of the house, vacations, what they want to do in life, and so on?
Or perhaps disregarding this dumb shit and making progress in a gym rather than thinking of what two fictional twins look like?
This is fucking creepy shit at this point![/quote
My guess is that a majority of the people overanalyzing
everything and acting as if lifting weights necessitates
Einstein-like thought experiments do not get enough mental
stimulation in their everyday lives.
In attempt to fix this I am going to point each and every one of these
people to the below website as both a service to society as a whole
and T-Nation.
http://www.claymath.org/millennium/[/quote]
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[quote]pja wrote:
Touche…you know me from somewhere?
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
As long as you don’t talk about the Fokker-planck equation.
[quote]pja wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
T-Nation - a very creepy place as of late.
Does anyone on here think of normal, or even FUN, shit anymore - shit like movies, pussy, money, bowling, getting out of the house, vacations, what they want to do in life, and so on?
Or perhaps disregarding this dumb shit and making progress in a gym rather than thinking of what two fictional twins look like?
This is fucking creepy shit at this point![/quote
My guess is that a majority of the people overanalyzing
everything and acting as if lifting weights necessitates
Einstein-like thought experiments do not get enough mental
stimulation in their everyday lives.
In attempt to fix this I am going to point each and every one of these
people to the below website as both a service to society as a whole
and T-Nation.
http://www.claymath.org/millennium/[/quote]
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Shit, TD knows EVERYONE from somewhere.
Tread lightly.
Jesus this is not that complicated.
I dont suppose making it simpler would help you guys understand.
If someone can make substantial gains in strength with 5x5, but could make the same amount of strength gains with 3x5, or even 1x5 would there be any benefit in doing 5x5?
The common belief is that for strength it wouldn’t matter, but for size there would be a difference. I am not convinced.
Dankid:
I don’t think because people are big that they are intelligent, know what they’re doing, or even how to explain what they’re doing if they know what they’re doing. There are probably less than a a dozen IFBB pros that can actually articulate the why’s and the how’s of their training system! The reason I was influenced so much by Dorian Yates was because of his intelligence and articulation, both in print and in speech.
I have a friend who was pretty damn big at one point and he didn’t know what the fuck he was doing, nor could he explain why he did what he was doing. And this is a guy who can’t name one bodybuilder, had no intention of looking so great, or competing. He’s just a guy who “worked out”. There was absolutely no rhyme or reason to his training or diet, and this guy had an enormous upper body.
You’d ask him what he was doing that night at the gym and he’d reply, “I think I’m gonna do chest.” or “I’m gonna do some arms.” or “I think I gotta start doing my legs; I tried the leg press a few weeks ago.” For diet, he just ate indiscriminately. He’d go home, see what his girlfriend or mom prepared and just eat like a maniac.
I mean this guy had NO FUCKING CLUE and his upper body dwarfed that of others. So in no way do I believe that we should listen to someone just because they’re big. After all, some of them can’t even provide us with any information at all.
But I also don’t think we–especially the newjacks amongst us–should waste our mental energy or be distracted by total nonsense! I apologize for being a dick, but I’ve been at this long enough to know that such mental masturbation does little (well, actually it does a LOT of bad for newjacks) or nothing for us! That’s why I even get so vexed whenever I see a ridiculously complicated piece of written work on here by the likes of Scott Abel or Charles Poliquin.
I hold them PARTIALLY responsible for people’s training! Yeah - responsible. Do you know how much time I wasted - flushed down the trashbin of history - because of the ridiculous routines written by gurus on this site? I wasted YEARS!
There’s a whole bunch of young guys, aged 16 to 22, on here just getting into this thing. When they read some ridiculous article, all it does is make them feel like they don’t know what they’re doing, or even if they’re doing the right things, that they’re doing the wrong things. That’s what happened to me. I was doing the same shit everyone else does and then was led to believe that all that was flawed. So I tried all sorts of stuff and got WORSE!
As far as other sorts of confusion–stuff like fretting over losing nutritive value in foods because of mashing them–those people with that sort of confusion - I don’t think can ever be helped.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Dankid:
I don’t think because people are big that they are intelligent, know what they’re doing, or even how to explain what they’re doing if they know what they’re doing. There are probably less than a a dozen IFBB pros that can actually articulate the why’s and the how’s of their training system! The reason I was influenced so much by Dorian Yates was because of his intelligence and articulation, both in print and in speech.
I have a friend who was pretty damn big at one point and he didn’t know what the fuck he was doing, nor could he explain why he did what he was doing. And this is a guy who can’t name one bodybuilder, had no intention of looking so great, or competing. He’s just a guy who “worked out”. There was absolutely no rhyme or reason to his training or diet, and this guy had an enormous upper body.
You’d ask him what he was doing that night at the gym and he’d reply, “I think I’m gonna do chest.” or “I’m gonna do some arms.” or “I think I gotta start doing my legs; I tried the leg press a few weeks ago.” For diet, he just ate indiscriminately. He’d go home, see what his girlfriend or mom prepared and just eat like a maniac.
I mean this guy had NO FUCKING CLUE and his upper body dwarfed that of others. So in no way do I believe that we should listen to someone just because they’re big. After all, some of them can’t even provide us with any information at all.
But I also don’t think we–especially the newjacks amongst us–should waste our mental energy or be distracted by total nonsense! I apologize for being a dick, but I’ve been at this long enough to know that such mental masturbation does little (well, actually it does a LOT of bad for newjacks) or nothing for us! That’s why I even get so vexed whenever I see a ridiculously complicated piece of written work on here by the likes of Scott Abel or Charles Poliquin.
I hold them PARTIALLY responsible for people’s training! Yeah - responsible. Do you know how much time I wasted - flushed down the trashbin of history - because of the ridiculous routines written by gurus on this site? I wasted YEARS!
There’s a whole bunch of young guys, aged 16 to 22, on here just getting into this thing. When they read some ridiculous article, all it does is make them feel like they don’t know what they’re doing, or even if they’re doing the right things, that they’re doing the wrong things. That’s what happened to me. I was doing the same shit everyone else does and then was led to believe that all that was flawed. So I tried all sorts of stuff and got WORSE!
As far as other sorts of confusion–stuff like fretting over losing nutritive value in foods because of mashing them–those people with that sort of confusion - I don’t think can ever be helped. [/quote]
x 9000
I’m also not against theories. I have an education in the life sciences - nutrition. If it weren’t for some smart people who had the intellect to make sensible theories, we wouldn’t be as far as we are today in so many aspects of life that affect us everyday, and sometimes all damn day - nutrition, exercise, medicine, architecture (bridges, tunnels, housing, buildings), communication (internet, TV, cellphones). The list is endless. If it weren’t for some theories panning out in reality, we’d wouldn’t have evolved so far.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
If it weren’t for some theories panning out in reality, we’d wouldn’t have evolved so far.
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I think you have those two things in the wrong order…: )
Look im not trying to come up with some super new magic training principle that is the holy grail of building muscle.
Im just questioning the “knowledge” that has been passed on in the industry that low volume is for strength and higher volume is for size. Ive seen the Bodybuilding Bible posted on these forums and pretty much agree with everything in it. BUT, I also dont think that its the end-all-be-all to getting bigger. It probably is perfect for almost everyone, and if you understand HOW to train, then you can make anything work. That line of thinking is what led me to question the whole notion of volume.
I too have wasted time on the writings of various gurus and the typical bb’ing type training. I have completely denounced the benefits of high volume low weight training. The old GVT and 10x10 methods were trendy, but I dont think they were beneficial to that many people.
I may have taken things to an extreme in that with my training, im pretty much always lifting in the 85-95% range. I found I like this range. But for most people I think 75-90% is where its at. Sometimes a little less weight or a little more weight may be of use.
As for frequency, I think its not that important. As long as you are able to get stronger and make progress, then your frequency is fine. This will almost always be 1-3x per week, and most of the time probably 2x. No surprise here.
Volume is the only variable that im not too sure on. I know how volume can manipulate performance and strength gains, but there is still this notion that volume somehow leads to building muscle. There may be some truth to this, and maybe not. This is what im trying to question.
Generally, i’ll just raise my volume when im taking in more calories, and my recovery is good, and lower the volume when things are reversed. This has worked pretty well, and I have no reason to try differently.
And at least im ignoring the many other aspects of this topic that would make it VERY complicated (sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, TUT, etc) Im just looking at it from a practical point of view.
Here is another way to voice it:
If you could continue to make steady strength gains but increase your volume by 25%, would there be any benefit?
[quote]dankid wrote:
Jesus this is not that complicated.
I dont suppose making it simpler would help you guys understand.
If someone can make substantial gains in strength with 5x5, but could make the same amount of strength gains with 3x5, or even 1x5 would there be any benefit in doing 5x5?
The common belief is that for strength it wouldn’t matter, but for size there would be a difference. I am not convinced.[/quote]
It depends on what you mean by 5 x 5.
Anyway, most intermediate guys train in the same fashion; they don’t do straight sets. So what does 1 x 5 mean? ONE hard set of 5 reps that succeeds 4 lighter sets of 5 reps?
If you’re training as hard as possible and you’re not a newbie, you CAN’T complete 5 sets of 5 with the same weight, let alone for any set-rep scheme!
5 x 5 for 300 lbs looks like this:
Set 1: 185
Set 2: 215
Set 3: 245
Set 4: 275
Set 5: 300
Maybe you can call this 5 x 5. Or maybe you can call it 1 x 5 because there is only one all-out blast set. Or maybe you can call it 3 x 5 because only the last 3 sets are difficult.
I consider it 5 x 5.
Even when someone writes 1 x 5, you’d be off your rocker to think that there weren’t several or a lot of warmup sets, unless this person is very weak in big lifts (<200 pounds in bench, squat, and deadlift). it takes MANY sets to warmup to a max-effort attempt of 1 to 5 reps. If you want to do an all-out blast, ME set with 3 to 5 reps, it’s gonna look like this:
bar x 5
75 x 5
105 x 5
135 x 5
165 x 5
195 x 5
225 x 3
255 x 3
275 x 3
300 x 3 to 5
The alternative is to complete 5 not-so-hard sets which is absolutely NO fun. Plus no one successful does that.
Dankid, why do you cry when no one wants to play your shitty games?