Some people are scared to jump out of planes, other people love it. The people that love it typically are thrill seekers and keep looking for something that does scare them, and they finally achieve it when they die.
You are going philosophical with this.
I do that with everything.
I would say the people that love jumping out of planes arenāt overcoming anything when they jump out of a plane. Theyāre indulging.
@T3hPwnisher and @theinneroh There is obviously no right or wrong answer with this subject and really anything to do with this hobby of ours. The thread was to start some interesting discussion and it has definitely done that.
Is it possible that people sit in one of two camps. 1 Those who relish training no matter how sucky it gets and 2. those who just donāt love it but they do it to overcome or achieve a preferred result.
The question I have about those that sit in camp 1 is whether they have truly every done something bad enough if nothing they have done sucks.
Reading back at my OP this sentence raises another question and it seems something that has already been debated over in this thread.
Is it possible for the training to suck in the context where is delivers results but for you also still to enjoy it ? If you enjoy does it really suck ?
Speaking only for myself:
My own mind is a dark place. Itās full of fear, pain and self deception.
Itās just extraordinarily convenient, and at times ironic that the thing that keeps the demons at bay most successfully is physical activity.
If all I need to do to escape myself for a while is jump on the airdyne or grab the bar then it is done with a sense of joy.
The overcoming is breaking out of the mindset that tells me itās no use. Iām not worth it. The damage is done and there is no unfucking someone like me.
Funnily enough, this is the exact same thought that would pass my mind after being intimate with someone for the first time.
Itās more the āfearā of missing a lift or the uncertainty of running a certain pace that I get feelings of overcoming.
Nothing to do with pain for me. āPainā and working hard are completely separate IMO but often confused by many people.
My question for yourself then is: if training didnāt get you bigger and stronger, would you still do it?
My point from the other day remains, this is a massive red flag for your mental health.
The whole does it need to suck thing is unanswerable, too many personality variables as is evident above. I donāt have many sessions that I truly feel suck, but they would for many and be a walk in the park for others.
Does it need to be hard? Yes. In order to progress some sessions will need you to acomplish things you havnt before. And to do that you will need to push harder. Not every session, but the easier sessions need to be helpful in working towards succeeding in those hard sessions, and there has to be some hard ones.
The key i feel is finding the lowest level of hard to achieve the results, any extra can be wasted effort.
Really? Thereās probably some context I missed, but this seems pretty benign to me. I recognize @anna_5588 sometimes ties her self-worth to her self-destruction a bit, but this particular sentiment, to me, is relatively normal; I definitely get in some lazy moods and the only reason I do things is because they need to be done.
To the actual question, I guess Iād say it needs to suck because of the consistency required. At some point, that just sucks. Like work is just work and thereās legitimately rarely a hard day (regardless of how much we whine), but to be successful you have to place one foot in front of the other for 40 years and that is its own kind of suck.
This is where I landed, some people say they like it, some love it, some dread it and to some itās just work. But the sessions as some point end up sucking.
Itās some combination of relieving/ sad/ cathartic to recognize if we do anything long enough weāll grow to hate it!
I will refrain from saying that in front of my wife.
Maybe just donāt ask her if she agreesš
You just havenāt been married quite long enough
In and of itself, I agree. As a consistent pattern, I find it concerning.
Thatās fair
I agree with this ā when I was competing I never saw anything I achieved as āovercomingā accomplishment. I was very proud of my prs, but my sense of accomplishment came from always being slightly amazed that Iād been able to develop the strength that I had, never from a sense that Iād overcome something to get there.