Does Creatine & Steroids Work Synergistically Together?

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I have done 2 cycles. They were mild but after the end of the second one, I kept using Test and made a long cruise then blasted Primo and Test like i never did before and had great results.
However I never stacked supplements with the PEDs, currently I’m on Sustanon 250mg and original primo 100mg, after a long summer vacation I stopped working out and injecting, did a little pct, lost 6kilograms of bodyweight but this last mini cycle helped me regain a little bit.
But now I added 10grams of Creatine a day to my regimen while being on low dose test and primo and I look awesome and almost having maximum benefits from the roids.

Is there a specific correlation between the Creatine and the primo or even test in terms of working synergistic?
or whatever supplement I would use would benefit a ton while using steroids in general?

I need a general knowledge on this, if there’s an article or source about aiding effect of the Creatine that would be good to know. Thanks.

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syn·er·gy

noun

  1. the interaction or cooperation of two or more organizations, substances, or other agents to produce a combined effect greater than the sum of their separate effects

IMO, PED’s work and creatine works, but together they is not synergistic.

I’ve done both. IMO, PED’s work much better than creatine. I felt that adding creatine might not have been noticeable, but in case it helped, I threw it in the mix. Being a sample size n=1, I took the shot gun approach.

I have been taking creatine since Bill Phillips made it available to the public, and still do to this day.

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Creatine is a really basic product. It’s core benefit is improving anaerobic repetitive work slightly. Think 1-2 more reps from high intensity sets or an extra (x) metres of sprint distance. Secondary benefit is it drags more water into muscle cells (so your weight goes up)…but it’s not actual muscle growth.
There’s a whole laundry list of purported tertiary benefits…that you could spend days reading about.

So there’s no real synergy to get - once your bodies store of creatine is full (it can make its own as-well); that’s it. Adding or subtracting PEDs doesn’t change that.

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I always was under the impression that creatine does what steroids do, only naturally and therefore much much worse. But creatine is like the closest thing to steroids for naturals. Basically it fills your cells with water and helps doing a rep more here and there. Steroids also do that but much more, and thats where the “kickstarting the cycle” idiocy comes from, when people dont want to wait to bloat from test, so they will pop dbol to bloat NOW. It has nothing to do with the cycle, starting it, or any benefit, it just gives you 5lbs extra weight a bit of pump so you feel it today, instead of 3 weeks after the first injection.

So i dont think that if you take steroids, and get these benefits, adding a natural supplement that is supposed to do 10% of that, will do anything since the cells are already full.

I, however, do take creatine because i dont eat much meat. Red meat i cant afford, and chicken i can afford very little, so i am always on the low side of protein, and there are some benefits of creatine especially if u cant get it anywhere.
Oh yeah, keep in mind that if you eat some meat, esp red meat here and there, you already have creatine. You dont need to supplement something that you already eat. Its like vitamins - they only work if you are deficient. If you have em enough with food, adding more does nothing.
So i take creatine since i am probably deficient and it is cheap enough so i dont care. I just dont look at it for any strength or muscle support, i just look at is the same way i see vitamins.

Also, keep in mind, that just like anything, genetics play a huge role. I never get any benefit from anything. Like, if i take pump products, i might see like 10% increase in my vascularity when im pumped, but thats it. My GF takes it, and she cant walk of how pumped her legs get. Her ass and legs actually increase in size noticably after 3 reps of squats on a pump product.
Creatine doesnt do much for me, but for her it gains 2 pounds a day for a week and she looks like on dbol and reps stuff like a mofo.
When she took 10mgs of anavar, in 2 months her traps looked similar to mine, while i was on 3 grams of gear, GH and Insulin. Its just genetics, and we have ours the other way around - i am always lean, cant gain weight, and she can pop 1 anavar, do 10 pushups and gain 20lbs of lean arm size, lmao.
Its just how it is.

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Creatine is the best supplement IMO for natural lifters (along with whey protein). Increases strength, larger muscles (albeit from water) and other improvements (studies show brain function improvements, etc).

If you are a borderline high BP person (like me) you need to watch BP closely on creatine. The added water weight does increase BP. On cycle, this can be an issue when also added to the BP effects of AAS. For this reason, I have relegated creatine to my “cruise” and removed it from my “blast”.

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You seem a bit down on yourself lately Hank. Everything okay?

I’d say keep in mind that you are actually big and lean. I am in the same boat. I don’t gain fast, I don’t have great genetics for my arms especially. I still after years of training am fairly developed and fairly strong. Especially compared to the average US man. No way am I getting my pro card, or become an elite lifter. No drug will get me there. It’s okay though. Most of my non lifting friends think I am muscular and strong. It’s okay that I know I am not compared to those with better genetics.

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Bro as far as strength goes you are in the top .1% of men. Sounds like you both have some bigorexia going on.

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I think I get this problem on occasion and it takes me a while to put things back in perspective. When me and my training partner are routinely on a weekly basis deadlifting over 500lb for reps we quickly adopt this as standard weight, not realizing that almost no one else in the gym can pull that. The same goes for muscle and body growth. After a while it becomes the standard or ‘normal’ or even worse, ‘average’. And I don’t think anyone visiting this subforum is satisfied with ‘average’

It’s like watching your kids grow day in and day out and you really don’t notice any significant difference in their development until their grandparent’s come over every couple months and are astonished with how much they’ve grown.

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Yeah, but only 5% is even trying haha.

I guess that is my point. That Hank is objectively a big dude, and also lean and strong (stronger than I am). I’ve seen a few of his posts where he seems a bit defeated lately (the one in the having fun training thread for example). I might be reading it wrong (hard to tell with text only).

Exactly. The people I train around and am friends with at the gym are mostly the high performers. I am in the middle with that group. So I seem average. However, it’s a hardcore gym, and I am hanging with the high performers. The top performers are doing elite lifts, some not too far off of world records. But that seems a tad better than normal to me.

I’ve had the pleasure of visiting commercial gyms during travel. It’s an eye opener. Even an easy vacation workout after a night of drinking has the regulars watching.

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I had a mid-life crisis. By definition it is a time in your life when you understand that you are pretty much at the top of your life and if you are not going up fast at the moment, you are pretty much done with achieving stuff.
So i realized that i have put in 110% of work and life into a few things, and i havent even come close to being half-way where i wanted.
Being a failure in my own eyes is one thing, i can get over that easy, but the hardest part is accepting that the best in those fields havent done shit to be the best. Since i know i have done it all and the same, it is sort of a let-down to understand that someone who is shit at bench press vs someone who is world class, the only difference is a lucky card in genetics. Its kind of like whats going on in China now, when young people understand that if they work hard, they wont get anything for it because good jobs are given to CCP family members and the bosses are often people who dont know shit about the company, and the best workers just get more work, so they have this living philosophy which translates to “let it rot” - they just do the bare minimum because doing more will never matter.
So that kind of put a bullet into most thing that i liked and aimed for in my life. Now i dont even give a shit to watch an interview or an article of some athlete because i know that i probably know as much as he does, and have done the same or even more, and the only reason why he is there and i am not is just genetics.
Its not even that i am jealous, its more that i had to accept that everything is plain bullshit. Bodybuilding is BS, no diet or training, or even drugs matter - either you just work out and become a bodybuilder or you just cant. Every sport is BS, and even science is. Because you can read all the books and finish all the degrees, odds are you wont be the next Hawking anyways. Behind every superstar there are 10,000 people who are doing exactly the same thing and their genetics are preventing them to matter in that field.

I got over that and i am fine with it, its just that i cant generate a willpower to lie about those things. When someone brings up training or even drugs, at this point i know that if a person has the right cards, he will be great on no matter what and vice versa. So it kind of ruins the point of even trying.

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Don’t overthink it boys…we’ll all be dead soon enough. Just enjoy it while you can!

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I’ve come to the same conclusions. When I was young and naive I believed if I took the same things, I’d look similar haha. I don’t really let it bother me too much.

I wish I was more genetically suited to the things I like. Instead, I am suited for endurance. I don’t want to look like a runner though. I do actually kinda like running, but not as much as lifting. It’s mostly that I want to be strong and look strong.

I’d just tell you to keep in mind that most people don’t look like you or are as strong as you even though you aren’t where you want to be. My results after close to 15 years of consistent lifting are average, but it is still a lot better than I’d be if I didn’t do it at all.

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Yes ofc i know and im trying to remind me that i have always been the biggest one everywhere i am, and every woman i ever met was amazed by how big and/or lean i am. But you also mentioned that most people are not even trying anyways. So my main sadness is about the fact that mentally and work-wise i could be an elite level athlete. But i am not because of something i cant control at all. And knowing this also kind of ruins the whole idea of any achievement for me. Nothing feels like an amazing thing done by anyone because i know they didnt do anything more than most guys. There are 2 famous NBA players from my country and the whole fun is ruined because its not because of their work. There are probably 5000 identical players here who do the same work or even more who just don’t have the genetics or luck.
Being good at anything is no different than winning a lottery after being consistant of losing money for 5-10 years. It just takes away any point of any interview, article, training method. It basically means that you are where you are no matter what you do and we all are being kept alive on some false dream that there is some sort of combo of different variables that would make us break free from these genetic borders. Its kind of like social system in India where you are born in a certain class and you will never get out of it. I remember an indian guy who bakes bread on the street being weirded out about when people asked about his goals and dreams. He said “my father baked bread…i bake bread…my son will bake bread…”. Its simple and even relaxing in a way but for me as a goal oriented person its a bit hard to chew.

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Gents - The whole point of bodybuilding is to be the best YOU that YOU can be. Just because I don’t have the genetics to be Ronnie Coleman doesn’t mean I don’t have a passion for bodybuilding or that my work is all a waste of time because I can’t be Mr. Olympia. Set goals, work hard, enjoy the AAS and all the perks that come from being lean, muscular and BIG! Whatever that genetic weakness is? Become the BEST bodybuilder with that weakness and be an inspiration to all that gave-up because they have it or some other genetic weakness.

You can still be GREAT and not be the world’s best.

AND BTW - Even Ronnie Colemen has his own issues. In fact, be thankful you can walk (unlike Ronnie).

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The fact that even with this (negative) line of thinking, you still muster up the mental fortitude, discipline and willpower to show up in the gym/ring/octagon day in day out actually proves you are a more responsible, goal oriented and mentally stronger person than these you compare yourself to that didn’t have to put nearly as much effort as yourself to achieve similar or better results.

It’s a shame that you don’t realize that you are actually a more valuable person than the genetic elite you are referring to for all of the things I mentioned above. Taking responsibility, being persistent, and mentally strong even when the odds are against you are things much more valuable than having more fame, money and being on magazine covers. At least in my eyes.

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