I havent seen anyone say anything about insecurities except you.
If you’d consider that the opinions against female promiscuity were about something other than insecurities, you’d probably understand more about the societal implications an unregulated sexual marketplace has.
Nobody is going to incriminate themselves, but for the record a few posts have agreed - with limitations. Including yours. It’s all projected insecurity with literally zero objective reasons why “too many” is bad, or what even constitutes “too many”. Either that or it’s a matter of misapplying studies and transferring problematic behaviors like abuse or deceit to sex itself. Apples and oranges.
Wouldn’t too many imply it’s not good?
I think it originated (womens chastity) due in large part to mortality during pregnancy & birth, and second place- No antibiotics to treat STDs.
Death being the most obvious risk, and devaluation from sterilization due to infection among other things would stand out as Really Good Reasons for chastity.
But thats just me kicking around ideas from outside the box.
Promiscuity, the end of marriage, are all feminist ideas. That should tell you everything you need to know about how good they are.
and @Andrewgen_Receptors I’ve brought it up, how I think it can be rational to be insecure in certain circumstances about a woman’s past. I also did say that it is not justified in other circumstances. That a woman’s behavior towards you can be a good indication if her past is going to cause issues down the road.
I’m not big on identity politics. Or discussing an end of marriage. This post was asking if it’s bad that women have had sex. It doesn’t specify anything else.
I don’t think anyone said that’s a bad thing.
If one does not even consider the number, then why be monogamous? Anything goes until marriage, but then a little sex with others matters?
That’s a good question, and a lot of people swing.
Otherwise, it’s a matter of commitment to fidelity within the relationship and an entirely different subject.
Italian, xenophobe, misogynist.
Zecarlo touching all of the bases.
There are four bases.
How would an Italian know that?
For anyone interested in the serious ramifications of an unregulated sexual marketplace, they’re discussed in here, which I’ve posted elsewhere before.
https://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html
@Njord Regarding insecurity, I’ve never even thought of men having this until this thread. The only thing I’ve ever thought of that might make a man have trepidation over a woman with many past partners is the the thought that this woman might be inclined to cheating and in doing so, might cuckold him, have him unknowingly raise a kid that’s not his.
So far I haven’t read anyone badmouthing sex. Doesn’t everyone in here but one poster like and have sex? I’m not one to broadcast my own activity, and some others are the same, but likely some of us have even posted in here shortly after some action, lol.
To answer your question: no, there is no specific number that all men think is too high for them personally. One guy might think one before him is too many. Another might think 20. Another guy might not give a crap if it’s 50 or more!
As for being intimidated by women with strong sexual presences (I think that’s what you wrote), I haven’t seen that expressed either. Personally I’m indifferent. If I go to the beach, pool, work, gym, and so on, and see attractive women, I don’t think much. If I had to express this indifference it would go like, “A woman. Next…” I cannot speak for others here, but I think this is why others here can’t wrap their head around these sentiments you say they have.
I would consider this an expression of insecurity.
The genesis of the question is directly related to feelings around a woman’s sexuality & experiences, and this is what I’m addressing in my posts.
I agree it’s silly to care.
Edit: the article seems interesting but is extremely long. I intend to read it, but have a busy weekend and will come back to it.
I will say so far, it feels like an Islamic apologist piece around Muslim treatment of women, and I’m seeing a lot of ad hominems, projected assumption and other poor logic behind points I’ve read.
Ask Joe DiMaggio.
Have you ever taken out a loan or loaned money? Past credit history doesn’t matter? Would you loan money to someone who has shown a pattern of not paying debts? Is that insecurity or common sense? Would you also question the morals of someone who borrows money without having much concern about paying it back?
Here’s the thing. The only “argument” I’m reading in favor of promiscuous behavior is that people against it are insecure; that’s a weak argument.
I’m not seeing a pro promiscuity argument that puts forward the benefits for individuals and/or society that result from this behavior. All I see is, “it’s fun,” “it feels good.” That’s how children think.
What we do have are studies and anecdotal and observational evidence that show promiscuity is destructive behavior for individuals and society.
We have matriarchies where promiscuity and lack of marriage is the norm. We see the results including higher frequencies of stds, illegitimacy, dysfunctional “families”, violent crime, dependence on government entitlements, low IQ, poor academic performance, addiction, higher rates of sex crimes, including child victims, etc.
The problem is that feminists equate sexual freedom with freedom. Feminist ideology benefits elite women at the expense of average and especially poor women. It keeps those women down. Most women have bigger concerns than the phony wage gap or becoming a CEO. Feminists like to bring up the suffragettes but I doubt they really looked at what the suffragettes wanted.
I agree that cheating a relationship commitment/agreement is problematic.
If the question was “is a track record of breaking agreements problematic?” You would have a point, and I would agree. This isn’t the question though.
I suppose it could be possible, but this assumes the guy in question only wants the pin cushion. My take is, and has been, that count doesn’t matter.