i stopped doing conventional simply because i hadn’t made any progress in a while and since my form wasn’t perfect i thought it would be best to drop the exercise so not to injure my back.
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I might not be the brightest SOB around but this whole post is confusing me. Afraid of injuring your back? But you’ve posted your doing straight leg deads along with talking about about doing Bent rows as a option, I believe. Two movements when done with piss poor form and with too much weight can cause injury just as easily as the conventional Dead lift in my opinion.
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
has anyone seen any strongman competitions from 80,90s? thats the kind of strength i am referring to.
my leg workout as of now, is like this: squat, leg press, straight leg deadlift, calf press and hyperextensions.
so no conventional deadlift, but i am still training all the musclegroups that are involved in picking stuff up from the ground, so shouldn’t i become just as strong?[/quote]
Just a FYI… If you want to be strong like them. Then after you get a foundation built then you better train similar to how they did.
I am glad as hell I dead lift regularly. My mailbox post (a 4x4 railroad tie) snapped right under ground this week leaving about 4 feet of wood underground. I tied some paracord to the end of that bitch tied the rope to a stick and deadlifted that shit right out of the ground. Not that it was a massive achievement or anything but it saved me from having to dig another hole for the replacement. I can’t think of any other lift that was that directly useful for anything practical. All of the other lifts you mentioned are pretty good assistance lifts though.
[quote]Consul wrote:
Just fucking deadlift, OP. If you want to be strong like a strongman, then do what they do - pick heavy shit up, and put it overhead; drag heavy shit; carry heavy shit; squat and deadlift heavy shit.
Like Chris “Patience of a Saint” Colucci already said, the deadlift is a fundamental human movement that must be trained if you are aiming to maximise your strength development.[/quote]
fuking hate these replies " just deadlift " why even reply?
i came here because i wanted to see some arguments for and against the premise that you need to do certain exercise to get strong even if you’re already training and getting those muscles that are used in said exercises stronger.
my conclusion is that i should throw in some deadlift after squatting.
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Okay, I’ll play.
You could get strong in the many different body parts that the deadlift trains by incorporating multiple exercises for different muscle groups, or you could just deadlift and hit all those muscles with the most weight possible, and fill in the gaps with assistance. The vast majority of strength athletes choose to deadlift because it’s an economical, fun and simple means of increasing the strength and muscle of the entire posterior chain.
This same question can be asked of most compound lifts. If you are more concerned about general strength and not performance on that particular lift, you can use dozens of isolation lifts to replace a couple compound lifts. But not only is that more time consuming, it also fails to let you practice using muscle groups in coordination.
Futher, compound lifts inherently work more on your weak spots. If your grip is strong enough to deadlift 700 pounds but your hamstrings can only do 300, isolation grip work doesn’t translate to your deadlift at all. Yet if you don’t deadlift, you don’t know where your weak link is.
Take it from me if your do not train the deadlift and become proficient in the deadlift your never going to go any where in Strongman last event I went to had a deadlift medley 520,540,560,580, then 600 for reps. This was the weight for the UNDER 200lbs guys
. No amount of leg pressing or DB holds is going to get you to pulling that kind of weight for reps and against the clock like deadlifting.
So morale of the story train deadlifts on a regular basis if Strongman is a goal. This DOESNOT mean MAX on a regular basis.
[quote]Reed wrote:
Take it from me if your do not train the deadlift and become proficient in the deadlift your never going to go any where in Strongman last event I went to had a deadlift medley 520,540,560,580, then 600 for reps. This was the weight for the UNDER 200lbs guys
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[quote]Reed wrote:
Take it from me if your do not train the deadlift and become proficient in the deadlift your never going to go any where in Strongman last event I went to had a deadlift medley 520,540,560,580, then 600 for reps. This was the weight for the UNDER 200lbs guys
. No amount of leg pressing or DB holds is going to get you to pulling that kind of weight for reps and against the clock like deadlifting.
So morale of the story train deadlifts on a regular basis if Strongman is a goal. This DOESNOT mean MAX on a regular basis. [/quote]
I am not a very good deadlifter guys but, i train my deadlift prettymuch weekly but almost never to a Max. Always in the 50-70% against bands or chains for speed multiple sets of singles or doubles at most. If I do pull a Max its always with special kind of deadlift. Double over or Deficit Deadlift so it doesnt trash me. I can train damn near daily as long as I am not deadlifting heavy otherwise I am shit on every lift for close to week.
I posted my exact training schedule for November in the begginers section if any one is interesteda not sure why I posted it was just bored.
Best pull from standard hieght- 500lbs with straps
Best pull from just below knee cap - 605lbs
[quote]Reed wrote:
Take it from me if your do not train the deadlift and become proficient in the deadlift your never going to go any where in Strongman last event I went to had a deadlift medley 520,540,560,580, then 600 for reps. This was the weight for the UNDER 200lbs guys
. No amount of leg pressing or DB holds is going to get you to pulling that kind of weight for reps and against the clock like deadlifting.
So morale of the story train deadlifts on a regular basis if Strongman is a goal. This DOESNOT mean MAX on a regular basis. [/quote]
the reason i started thinking about this is because i thought i would be weak outside the gym unless i deadlifted.
so the general consensus is that i won’t?
well my goal isn’t strongman, even though it would be fun to do. its just to be big and strong right now of course that could change anytime
Dont fret to much Caveman. That show was a platinum plus show absolutely one of the heaviest shows I have ever been to. Kentucky is a very heavy state to compete in and your grip better be insane the farmers walks for the light guys was 270lbs per hand for like 60ft was miserable.
Average weight you’ll see for a deadlift for lightweights meaning under 231lbs
Either Max Deadlift or for reps around 500lbs straps are usually allowed and you can hitch.
230-250 farmers
650-750 yokes
Stones ranging from 220-340 or reps with 250-280 stone.
230-270 axle for reps
220-260 log for reps
These are just rough estimates for ameteur Strongman silver to platinum grade contests. platinum plus or pro ams. Add 5-10% to each event for those atleast.
If you can do these numbers chances are you could compete and not get embarrased by not moving anything lol
the reason i started thinking about this is because i thought i would be weak outside the gym unless i deadlifted.
so the general consensus is that i won’t?
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Did you read the thread? Almost everyone has been telling you the deadlift is one of the best exercises, and very important, for developing ‘outside the gym’ strength. Of course you can still get stronger without them, but not as effectively as if you do them.
[quote]Reed wrote:
I am not a very good deadlifter guys but, i train my deadlift prettymuch weekly but almost never to a Max. Always in the 50-70% against bands or chains for speed multiple sets of singles or doubles at most. If I do pull a Max its always with special kind of deadlift. Double over or Deficit Deadlift so it doesnt trash me. I can train damn near daily as long as I am not deadlifting heavy otherwise I am shit on every lift for close to week.
I posted my exact training schedule for November in the begginers section if any one is interesteda not sure why I posted it was just bored.
Best pull from standard hieght- 500lbs with straps
Best pull from just below knee cap - 605lbs[/quote]
Thanks for the info! I find the training of strongmen really interesting.
Short answer: yes you can get very strong without deadlifting. However, you’re probably not going to get very good at picking up stupid heavy things from the ground infrontofyou without doing any.
[quote]Reed wrote:
I have a feeling pretty much all that can be said about this has pretty much been said.[/quote]
as a strongman, how do you train your grip if any at all? its a weak point of mine which i wanted to cover with dumbbell holds for 60 seconds, but people don’t think that would be effective what’s your opinion?
My grip is weak point for me as well although it has greatly improved. Personally I have to say that with out a doubt timed holds are great for building strength in the forearms. I usually stay in the 30 second range once I hit 30 seconds with a weight I add 5lbs. I do Farmers holds and axle or fat bar holds. Also when I train curls hammer and reverse curls are pretty much all I do. I also purchased the Ironmind Grippers. Used about once or twice a week.
You have to becareful training your grip you can over train it if you attack it hard pretty easily. Limit your use of straps unless you just can not hold on to save your life keep them in your gym bag.
[quote]Reed wrote:
My grip is weak point for me as well although it has greatly improved. Personally I have to say that with out a doubt timed holds are great for building strength in the forearms. I usually stay in the 30 second range once I hit 30 seconds with a weight I add 5lbs. I do Farmers holds and axle or fat bar holds. Also when I train curls hammer and reverse curls are pretty much all I do. I also purchased the Ironmind Grippers. Used about once or twice a week.
You have to becareful training your grip you can over train it if you attack it hard pretty easily. Limit your use of straps unless you just can not hold on to save your life keep them in your gym bag.[/quote]